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Even with Mueller part of the package? I thought he was a decent player.
Mueller is a very good young player with a ton of upside to his game. He has great vision, great shooting abilities, and great hands. He just needs to work on his skating a little bit, and I think he will become a PPG player in this league. However, it seems like he has taken a step backwards this season, and I believe that it is his work ethic that is hindering him thus far in the season.
Porter is having a solid rookie season so far. I see him as a 3rd line checking winger with some offensive flair. Good vision, good hands, good skater, good defensive instincts, etc.
I believe Ross has the potential to turn into a top 4 D-Man in the near future.
I would love to see Kovi on the yotes. However, it just simply does not make sense to trade the youth for him. The Coyotes have been rebuilding their team the right way, and I would hate to see them make a trade like that.
However, it just simply does not make sense to trade the youth for him. The Coyotes have been rebuilding their team the right way, and I would hate to see them make a trade like that.
I agree with this. From what I have read in the many different Kovalchuk proposals it seems to make sense that a package would have to involve a more experienced roster player to help stabilize the current situation. The mix should probably include a roster player (With some experience)/above average prospect (Maybe 2)/ and one or more high draft choices.
I think the Coyotes could still do this but they would still have to dip into the youth to some extent. The same can perhaps be said of any team interested in assembling an offer.
This really isn't that bad of a proposal ... though I don't know if Phoenix is willing to go into "win now" mode. It would also likely require Kovalchuk to at least be somewhat on board with an extension, as this is a huge price to pay.
This really isn't that bad of a proposal ... though I don't know if Phoenix is willing to go into "win now" mode. It would also likely require Kovalchuk to at least be somewhat on board with an extension, as this is a huge price to pay.
I agree that the extension would be a critical factor in how the final package would come together. I'm not sure that this deal is really a "win now" type of trade, however, as Kovalchuk is still only 25(ish). A building team like the Coyotes could still make the deal and continue growing a winner.
I agree that the extension would be a critical factor in how the final package would come together. I'm not sure that this deal is really a "win now" type of trade, however, as Kovalchuk is still only 25(ish). A building team like the Coyotes could still make the deal and continue growing a winner.
Problem is Kovy can't sign an extension till July 1st 2009.
Mueller, Kevin Porter, Nick Ross, 1st round pick in 2009
No way Phoenix ownership goes for something like this. We can't afford Kovalchuk's salary. Perhaps if we were to close the gap, salary-wise, by adding Ed Jovanovski and Mathieu Schneider? Might have to fit Reinprecht in there somehow, too. Maybe instead of Porter? That might bring it into the realm of possibility financially. Value-wise, who the hell knows?
To ATL:
Peter Mueller(1.7m)
Ed Jovanovski(6.5m)
Steve Reinprecht(2.0m)
Nick Ross or Brett MacLean
PHX's 2009 1st round pick
PHX's 2010 2nd round pick
To PHX:
Ilya Kovalchuk(7.5m)
Mathieu Schneider(5.75m)
I still really doubt the Coyotes would be able to just add three million bucks in salary like that. I'm guessing we are at budget. I mean, we couldn't even address our defensive needs until Ken Klee found himself on re-entry waivers.
Money aside, Jovanovski has a NMC. I'm not sure I see him waiving it to go to Atlanta. It would be the second time we've asked him to waive it, so perhaps it'd hurt his pride enough that he'd go. Who knows?
Value-wise, I'm not so sure. Mueller is obviously the prize. He has tons of potential and everyone knows it. Jovanovski has made the All-Star team in both his years as a Coyote. Last year was his best in the NHL, statistically. He's slumping this year, but let's face it, so is the rest of the offense in Phoenix. We are an absolute mess, right now. Not only is our offense the worst in the entire NHL, but so is our power play. It's embarassingly bad, and Jovo is not totally to blame. Put him on a team that has some semblance of order in the offensive zone(and on the power play) and he'd probably go right back to putting up huge numbers. Reinprecht is a solid cheap veteren that can do everything well and has a ton of experience. I'd like to hang on to him, but salary would have to be cut and despite how good he has been, he's an obvious option. I'm not really familiar with Atlanta's current situation, but I believe I remember reading that they could use another center. Reinprecht is a good one. Ross and MacLean are both high picks that have developed well and should be ready sooner than later. The 1st could be pretty high if things don't turn around in Phoenix. Somewhere just inside or just outside the top ten, most likely. The 2nd is in there just because this is HFboards.com and the 2nd round pick is the great equalizer, here.
Youd have to get the ATL brass drunk for this one.
At least we would have to spend as much on alcohol as the Penguins must've...
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Atlanta Thrashers traded Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a 1st-round selection in 2008.
Kovalchuk is only 25, or so, and has averaged something like 44, or so, goals per season, in his young career. He's also won the Rocket Richard trophy, which is amazing considering his young age. On a line with Olli Jokinen and Shane Doan, for a full season, he'd score a hundred points. All three of them would likely have career years. Mueller is a very good player and will only get better and better. His talent level is insane and he has tons and tons of upside. However, he won't be able to do what Ilya Kovalchuk can. The bottom line for Atlanta is that they won't be able to get somebody as good as Kovalchuk back in a trade for him. A young guy like Mueller and a bunch of other goodies is doing pretty well for themselves, however. For Phoenix, the NHLs worst offense, if you can trade Mueller for Kovalchuk, it should be a no-brainer. Yes, we are rebuilding, but we are also trying to compete. Kovalchuk is 25. It's not exactly scrapping the long-term plan.
Anyway, if Atlanta really is considering shopping Kovalchuk, Phoenix is probably one of a few team that has the assets they'd be looking for, and also the cap space to accomodate him. Whether, or not, the Thrashers would be looking to work with our budget to find a fit, well that's an entirely different beast. I'd be disappointed if Don Maloney didn't even bother to feel it out. Kovalchuk would become the best Coyote ever. If we're looking for fans, he wouldn't hurt.
Kovalchuk is only 25, or so, and has averaged something like 44, or so, goals per season, in his young career. He's also won the Rocket Richard trophy, which is amazing considering his young age. On a line with Olli Jokinen and Shane Doan, for a full season, he'd score a hundred points. All three of them would likely have career years. Mueller is a very good player and will only get better and better. His talent level is insane and he has tons and tons of upside. However, he won't be able to do what Ilya Kovalchuk can. The bottom line for Atlanta is that they won't be able to get somebody as good as Kovalchuk back in a trade for him. A young guy like Mueller and a bunch of other goodies is doing pretty well for themselves, however. For Phoenix, the NHLs worst offense, if you can trade Mueller for Kovalchuk, it should be a no-brainer. Yes, we are rebuilding, but we are also trying to compete. Kovalchuk is 25. It's not exactly scrapping the long-term plan.
Anyway, if Atlanta really is considering shopping Kovalchuk, Phoenix is probably one of a few team that has the assets they'd be looking for, and also the cap space to accomodate him. Whether, or not, the Thrashers would be looking to work with our budget to find a fit, well that's an entirely different beast. I'd be disappointed if Don Maloney didn't even bother to feel it out. Kovalchuk would become the best Coyote ever. If we're looking for fans, he wouldn't hurt.
I would love to get Kovy, but you have to consider the circumstances. Kovy, JayBo, and Hossa are all similar in a way, they want to win. I know that i'm personally ecstatic about the future of the Yotes, but we aren't exactly notorious for being a bona fide playoff contender, and we will not be his first choice. Even if it isn't his choice, usually your organization will try hard to get you to a better place if you are the face of their franchise.
Now with Mueller your exactly right, it's finally good to see someone sees the amount of potential he has instead of bashing so hard in his young career. Many teams would love to have him for sure, but I feel it is in ours and his best concerns that he stay with us down the long run. If a deal come that is too good to pass up, then do what you have to, but for right now, I think he stays
i don't know much about Phx and their young cats, but Mueller and some solid prospects/picks for Kovy seems reasonable to me.
Someone fill me in on these two guys, i know nothing about them????
Well, it's kind of moot. That original proposal could never happen considering Phoenix's financial situation. We have a budget, and we are likely already operating at that budgeet. There would have to be a lot of salary added.
I would love to get Kovy, but you have to consider the circumstances. Kovy, JayBo, and Hossa are all similar in a way, they want to win. I know that i'm personally ecstatic about the future of the Yotes, but we aren't exactly notorious for being a bona fide playoff contender, and we will not be his first choice. Even if it isn't his choice, usually your organization will try hard to get you to a better place if you are the face of their franchise.
It's not really his choice, and he does have another year left on his contract, after this season. There's time to work something out. Contenders can't fit him in under the cap, anyhow.
[QUOTE=rt;16589639] For Phoenix, the NHLs worst offense, if you can trade Mueller for Kovalchuk, it should be a no-brainer. Yes, we are rebuilding, but we are also trying to compete. Kovalchuk is 25. It's not exactly scrapping the long-term plan.
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I agree with this.
You have to ask yourself, for how long is Maloney just going to sit and watch and add redundant pieces to the puzzle? The crowd isn't coming out - phoenix continues to draw smallish crowds - and i don't think that playing .500 with a stagnant offence is going to get them to come out.
Kovy has a lot of X value in terms of generating interest and excitement - Mueller will never have this, even if he indeed turns out to be a ppg player.
The addition of Kovalchuk and the resulting spark to the offence will bring people out - think about the additional revenue to the team...
I would shudder to think that Maloney isn't aware of this
hmm.. **** that beats all the edmonton proposals! It is a good offer i think Atlanta would take it i dont know if Phoenix would do it or if there even interested in Kovalchuk but still very good proposal.
