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12-03-2008, 08:35 AM
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Don't mean to state the obvious but...

If Gainey doesn't go out and get a PP QB, we aren't going anywhere this year. Carbo has shuffled the point man pretty much every game so far and no one has shown consistent success on the PP. Clearly this should be priority #1. Can you imagine how well this team would be doing if we still had Streit or Souray on the point?

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12-03-2008, 08:40 AM
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You actually think that missing those guys is actually worth a 25 place drop in overall PP rankings?

it's more than that. One could expect a drop to perhaps in the middle of the league without Streit, but near the bottom?

The PP troubles are on the coaching staff. The Markov experiment was disastrous. The Lang over use is disastrous. Kovalev is never on at the same time as Markov manning his RW spot. A Kost had lost his spot until recently on the PP. Brisebois is a freaking hack. Hamrlik on the PP is no better...

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12-03-2008, 08:46 AM
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seems pointless to have lang on the point. without much of a shot hes just there for passing and why do they need another player on the ice to just pass the puck around in a circle for 2 mins? Habs seem to lack a "set" play on the PP.

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12-03-2008, 08:51 AM
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I thought Lang was ok there last night for his first game there. He was patient and didn't shot into a mess of legs for the sake of shooting only to get it blocked (Breezer is famous for shooting at the wrong times and getting it blocked) and when he did shoot he made sure it hit the net and the rebound lead to a goal.

Sure I would rather have a QB with a booming shot, but I think Lang deserves a shot there in the meantime to see how he does.

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12-03-2008, 09:02 AM
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it's just a temporary problem until Weber makes it to NHL. Fixing a temporary problem with a trade (more permanent implications) is not advisable.

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12-03-2008, 09:05 AM
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Hainsey looked good at the point. Let's get him.

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12-03-2008, 09:06 AM
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Hainsey looked good at the point. Let's get him.
oh wait!

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12-03-2008, 09:08 AM
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it's just a temporary problem until Weber makes it to NHL. Fixing a temporary problem with a trade (more permanent implications) is not advisable.
Weber probably won't be ready for another year or two.

Letting our defense stay the way it is on the account of Weber stepping in is retarded.

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12-03-2008, 09:18 AM
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I think you mean a trigger man. The Habs don't need a PP QB, they have Markov, who is among the best in the league at it. What they need is someone with a point shot -- which is what Souray and Streit contributed.

I, too, don't think losing Streit alone was the decisive factor in the plunge in PP efficiency. Lack of a trigger man certainly is some of it. But breaking up the Markov-Kovalev axis, Kovy's inability to replicate his successes from last year, teams figuring the Habs out, and the like are also factors.

I honestly think it wouldn't take too much for the Habs' PP to go back to being a force. Seems they've been simplifying things a bit lately and it has helped.

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12-03-2008, 09:22 AM
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I thought AK46 on the point had some potential...just needs some time to learn the position.

He's got the shot, and the passing.

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12-03-2008, 09:26 AM
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I thought AK46 on the point had some potential...just needs some time to learn the position.

He's got the shot, and the passing.
He's also too valuable in-close to use on the point. At least, I think that's why he hasn't be tried there yet.

Still, the silver lining of all this is that Montreal is a better even-strength team than it's been in quite a while. If it takes its special teams to their usual high level, it'll be something to watch (though I bet their ES stats suffer a bit as a result).

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12-03-2008, 09:28 AM
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Weber probably won't be ready for another year or two.

Letting our defense stay the way it is on the account of Weber stepping in is retarded.
I think Weber can make it to the NHL late this season, as a power play specialist with limited playing time.

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12-03-2008, 09:32 AM
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He's also too valuable in-close to use on the point. At least, I think that's why he hasn't be tried there yet.

Still, the silver lining of all this is that Montreal is a better even-strength team than it's been in quite a while. If it takes its special teams to their usual high level, it'll be something to watch (though I bet their ES stats suffer a bit as a result).
Stop that. No silver linings here.

While they are horrible on the PP, in the standings.... they are 5th overall in the entire NHL.

Yes we need to fix the PP, but as MathMan poins out, the sky is not completely falling.

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seems pointless to have lang on the point. without much of a shot hes just there for passing and why do they need another player on the ice to just pass the puck around in a circle for 2 mins? Habs seem to lack a "set" play on the PP.
I thought this was one of the reasons they were so good the past couple of years. It's hard to get a read on a PP when they bring something different everytime.

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12-03-2008, 09:37 AM
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I think Weber can make it to the NHL late this season, as a power play specialist with limited playing time.
How does that work? This isn't like when we put Ribeiro on the 4th and had him playing the PP.

Unless you want to dress Weber as a forward.

Overall, he physically and defensively can't handle the late season NHL play on the back-end. Until that changes, he's better off in Hamilton taking part in a Calder Cup run hopefully.

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12-03-2008, 09:38 AM
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He's also too valuable in-close to use on the point. At least, I think that's why he hasn't be tried there yet.

Still, the silver lining of all this is that Montreal is a better even-strength team than it's been in quite a while. If it takes its special teams to their usual high level, it'll be something to watch (though I bet their ES stats suffer a bit as a result).
He was used on the PP point in the Buffalo game, and he wasn't afraid to wire it (mind you all his shots were blocked).

Habs seem to overpass the puck, in my opinion....Markov especially seems hesitant to shoot.

They just need to change their mentality a bit on the PP...shoot more, pass less.

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12-03-2008, 09:40 AM
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Kovalev's slump is a big part of it, but i agree that we need another point guy to give our forwards more space.

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12-03-2008, 09:43 AM
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He's also too valuable in-close to use on the point. At least, I think that's why he hasn't be tried there yet.
If Kovalchuk plays on the point on a team like Atlanta, we can afford to put AK46 on the point. We have a lot of guys that are good in close. We need a trigger man.

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12-03-2008, 09:44 AM
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i'm amazed Carbo went with LANG and not AKost again.. that made me giggle a bit. Really, what is he thinking?

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12-03-2008, 09:48 AM
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Habs seem to overpass the puck, in my opinion....Markov especially seems hesitant to shoot.

They just need to change their mentality a bit on the PP...shoot more, pass less.
Markov doesn't have the booming shot, he's got a good snap shot, like his goal last night, so shooting form the point's not a good option for him.

The PP used to feed off the passing in the past. Shooting on the PP doesn't help if it's a low percentage shot (especially low percentage to even make it to the net). PP is about puck posession, if they shoot a lot, they won't have many chances to shoot.

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12-03-2008, 09:51 AM
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I think trying Lang out is a great idea. He makes strong passes and has a good wrist shot, which is what Streit brought (and Lang is a much better player).

Our problem was trying Sergei Kostitsyn out as PP QB and moving Markov off his usual Defensive position. It didn't work. That's fine. Time to regroup.

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12-03-2008, 09:53 AM
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Markov doesn't have the booming shot, he's got a good snap shot, like his goal last night, so shooting form the point's not a good option for him.

The PP used to feed off the passing in the past. Shooting on the PP doesn't help if it's a low percentage shot (especially low percentage to even make it to the net). PP is about puck posession, if they shoot a lot, they won't have many chances to shoot.
The key really is just getting shots from the point through....it doesn't have to be a howitzer. Rebounds generate chances.
And if one day Carbonneau parks Latendresse in front of the net, shots will get through or will get whacked home.
Kovalev needs to shoot more on the PP, except from those ridiculous angles that he seems to love.
One-timers FTW.

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12-03-2008, 09:55 AM
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Markov is the powerplay quaterback. The difference this year is that Kovalev sucks. Tanguay can replace Markov adequately and Markov can replace Streit adequately but Kovalev still sucks. Is this not obvious?

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12-03-2008, 09:57 AM
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I think trying Lang out is a great idea. He makes strong passes and has a good wrist shot, which is what Streit brought (and Lang is a much better player).

Our problem was trying Sergei Kostitsyn out as PP QB and moving Markov off his usual Defensive position. It didn't work. That's fine. Time to regroup.
The problem with Lang is that he's a defensive liability on the point, if someone gets around him, he ain't catching them or he's taking a penalty.

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12-03-2008, 09:58 AM
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The key really is just getting shots from the point through....it doesn't have to be a howitzer. Rebounds generate chances.
And if one day Carbonneau parks Latendresse in front of the net, shots will get through or will get whacked home.
Kovalev needs to shoot more on the PP, except from those ridiculous angles that he seems to love.
One-timers FTW.
If it's not a hard shot its:
a) more likely to get blocked
b) less likely to create a rebound

I know I find myself shaking my head more times than not when Markov shoots from the point.

Last year Kovy was scoring in bunches from that angle. And he leads the team in shots, so he is trying. It'll come, hopefully sooner than later.

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