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12-03-2008, 10:35 AM
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D’Agostini is more a threat to Sergei than Higgins.

Maybe a little less bashing and a little more support from the supposed best 7th man in the league could end up being the spark required to put this team in overdrive.

Oh, bye the way, did anybody noticed that the Habs hold the 5th best record in the NHL thus far. Not bad for a team that as not reach it’s full potential yet.

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12-03-2008, 10:41 AM
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D'Ago plays two good games and we can move Higgins.

Good Lord.
I know...I find it hilarious how when one player does well, it automatically equates to another having to be moved in the eyes of some 'fans'

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12-03-2008, 10:46 AM
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I know...I find it hilarious how when one player does well, it automatically equates to another having to be moved in the eyes of some 'fans'
I approve of your avatar.

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WTK here,

There's no point in moving Higgins, he can slot anywhere in the line-up and be effective.

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12-03-2008, 10:57 AM
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It's representative of Habs fans the past 3 weeks...teetering on the edge of suicide

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12-03-2008, 11:00 AM
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Well said. Gainey refused to trade for Hossa last year because they insisted on including Higgins in the deal.

Enough said... Higgins is going nowhere.
I wouldn't trade Higgins for a player that we only had for a couple months either. A more permanent peice, though...

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12-03-2008, 11:15 AM
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While I disagree with pretty much everything else in your post, I do agree that Higgins gets too much PP time. His skills help the team (especially this team, with tons of PP weapons up front) more at evens and on the PK.

That said, all that stuff about Higgins being a 3rd liner put into a 1st line role is outdated. The vast majority of teams look for power on power matchups these days, and Higgins qualifies for that role. Think Jere Lehtinen.
cmon now seriously???

power??? a-kost goes to the front of the net more than him. all this crap about higgins being a power forward is outdated as well. he is not. he never cuts to the net. if he has a lane he will go towards the goalie to where there is no angle and shoot. like kovy, he is become a master of the no angle shots.

he is a poor mans lethinen if we are to make that comparison.


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12-03-2008, 11:24 AM
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cmon now seriously???

power??? a-kost goes to the front of the net more than him. all this crap about higgins being a power forward is outdated as well. he is not. he never cuts to the net. if he has a lane he will go towards the goalie to where there is no angle and shoot. like kovy, he is become a master of the no angle shots.

he is a poor mans lethinen if we are to make that comparison.
lethinen is on hole natha levol

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12-03-2008, 11:25 AM
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DíAgostini is more a threat to Sergei than Higgins.

Maybe a little less bashing and a little more support from the supposed best 7th man in the league could end up being the spark required to put this team in overdrive.

Oh, bye the way, did anybody noticed that the Habs hold the 5th best record in the NHL thus far. Not bad for a team that as not reach itís full potential yet.
Yeah, but people want nothing less than a team like San Jose. Anything less and they will complain and complain. They should feel lucky that we have the Habs, and not the Dallas Stars.


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WTK here,

There's no point in moving Higgins, he can slot anywhere in the line-up and be effective.
Huh? That you, dude?

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cmon now seriously???

power??? a-kost goes to the front of the net more than him. all this crap about higgins being a power forward is outdated as well. he is not.

he is a poor mans lethinen if we are to make that comparison.
Higgins is better offensively, also, you are comparing the Higgins who has 3 seasons with a Lethinen in his prime. Wait till Higgins hits his prime, maybe then Lethinen will be a poor man's Higgins.

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12-03-2008, 11:43 AM
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Yeah, but people want nothing less than a team like San Jose. Anything less and they will complain and complain. They should feel lucky that we have the Habs, and not the Dallas Stars.




Huh? That you, dude?



Higgins is better offensively, also, you are comparing the Higgins who has 3 seasons with a Lethinen in his prime. Wait till Higgins hits his prime, maybe then Lethinen will be a poor man's Higgins.
Such a homer.

Lethinen in his first 3 seasons was something like a combined +60. Higgins? - a Dozen.

But that's what happens when you only watch Habs games... zero perspective.

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12-03-2008, 11:54 AM
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cmon now seriously???

power??? a-kost goes to the front of the net more than him. all this crap about higgins being a power forward is outdated as well. he is not. he never cuts to the net. if he has a lane he will go towards the goalie to where there is no angle and shoot. like kovy, he is become a master of the no angle shots.

he is a poor mans lethinen if we are to make that comparison.
You misunderstand what "power on power" means. It means playing your best even strength forwards against the opposition's most dangerous scorers, instead of the pre-lockout trend of using defensive specialists and grinders on a checking line in that situation. It has nothing to do with cutting to the net (which Higgins also does quite well, IMO).

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Such a homer.

Lethinen in his first 3 seasons was something like a combined +60. Higgins? - a Dozen.

But that's what happens when you only watch Habs games... zero perspective.
Uhm... not homer. Altho, you are the opposite of a homer, you are a whiner.

First off, Lethinen was +38, not +60, in his first three seasons, playing for a STRONG Dallas team. Secondly, Higgins had a bit higher PPG in his first three seasons, with a -12, yet playing two of those three seasons with a second rate Habs team. +/- is not only consequent to the player himself, but a big factor for this stat is the team you play on. How many 20 goal seasons did Lethinen have in his first three seasons???? +/- is not the only thing. Especially considering that Higgins played most of his first two seasons with seasonal Green Jacket hopeful Michael Ryder.

Get a clue.



Next time concentrate on making comments about darwinism when you don't know dick about it. I remember jsut how much you liked my sig at the time, although it did take you a lot of time to catch on to what it meant.

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12-03-2008, 12:04 PM
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Uhm... not homer. Altho, you are the opposite of a homer, you are a whiner.

First off, Lethinen was +38, not +60, in his first three seasons, playing for a STRONG Dallas team. Secondly, Higgins had a bit higher PPG in his first three seasons, with a -12, yet playing two of those three seasons with a second rate Habs team. +/- is not only consequent to the player himself, but a big factor for this stat is the team you play on. How many 20 goal seasons did Lethinen have in his first three seasons???? +/- is not the only thing. Especially considering that Higgins played most of his first two seasons with seasonal Green Jacket hopeful Michael Ryder.

Get a clue.



Next time concentrate on making comments about darwinism when you don't know dick about it. I remember jsut how much you likes my sig at the time, although it did take you a lot of time to catch on to what it meant.
Not sure if I like this +- stuff. Misleading in alot of case.

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Not sure if I like this +- stuff. Misleading in alot of case.
Well that's exactly my point. It is not entirely misleading when comparing two players on the same team. But when you are talking about two players on two different teams, especially a team known for good defensive play versus a team that still had trouble getting out of its dark age.

But anyway, BigTimer is known for his 'hillbilly' comments, that's nothing new.

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12-03-2008, 12:11 PM
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Uhm... not homer. Altho, you are the opposite of a homer, you are a whiner.

First off, Lethinen was +38, not +60, in his first three seasons, playing for a STRONG Dallas team. Secondly, Higgins had a bit higher PPG in his first three seasons, with a -12, yet playing two of those three seasons with a second rate Habs team. +/- is not only consequent to the player himself, but a big factor for this stat is the team you play on. How many 20 goal seasons did Lethinen have in his first three seasons???? +/- is not the only thing. Especially considering that Higgins played most of his first two seasons with seasonal Green Jacket hopeful Michael Ryder.

Get a clue.



Next time concentrate on making comments about darwinism when you don't know dick about it. I remember jsut how much you liked my sig at the time, although it did take you a lot of time to catch on to what it meant.
First season = +5
Second season = +26
Third season = +19

So Mr. Smartass, 5+26+19 = 38? I think not. Back to the drawing board.

Just as an aside, I wouldn't make too much fun of Ryder. He has more points than Higgins, and plays on a team that's on an absolute tear. You're being selective and I'm positive that you didn't watch Lethinen in the late 90's early 00's. Again, back to the drawing board son.

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I'm getting sick and tired of Higgins. The more you watch him, the more you realize he's actually a pretty soft player. Makes soft plays, responsible for stupid turnovers, finishes his checks but more because he has to, not because he wants to. For some reason, he's never relegated or whipped. I don't think I've ever seen him look an opponent in the eye in a scrum and he has absolutely no interest in that side of the game. Kovalchuk running price with 30 seconds left didn't even garner so much as a hairy eyebrow from Mr. Piss Poor assistant captain Higgins.

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D'Agostini is playing EXACTLY how i would of hoped of Higgins, he's effective both ways of the ice, he shoots at will, likes to crash the net and he's patient with the puck, Higgins misses way too many chances, he's killing himself and his linemates, and he doesn't have the size, strengh or balance to play a powerforward game like Latendresse can and probably will do in the near future.

If we are able to get a real top 4 defensmen for Higgins, well

I love you both !!

Also, don't waste you're time with Ozymandias guys, he defends Chris Higgins like I defend Sergei K.



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First season = +5
Second season = +26
Third season = +19

So Mr. Smartass, 5+26+19 = 38? I think not. Back to the drawing board.

Just as an aside, I wouldn't make too much fun of Ryder. He has more points than Higgins, and plays on a team that's on an absolute tear. You're being selective and I'm positive that you didn't watch Lethinen in the late 90's early 00's. Again, back to the drawing board son.
Still that makes 51, not 60... you are sure good at giving advice to yourself

I did watch Lehtinen kiddo. I've been watching hockey since the 80's.

No wonder you would miss the point about Ryder, it has nothing to do with what he is doing now. He was absolutely horrible on defense with the Habs in his last two seasons, and Higgins always had to repair Ryder's mistakes.

The point was that Dallas had a much better team than the Habs of 05-06 and 06-07. +/- is related to the team you play on, because there are 5 other players on the ice for your own team when this stat is counted. But you know what, I'm not surprised you don't understand something as simple as this. Back to school, bubba.

Maybe next you'll care enough to tell us what is the next step you want to take to implement a eugenics program. Your sister? Your cousin? Maybe your mom?

I mean, even if your father wasn't really succesful, and IMO, totally failed, doesn't mean you can't succeed

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I love you both !!

Also, don't waste you're time with Ozymandias guys, he defends Chris Higgins like I defend Sergei K.

I also defend all other players on the team, including your beloved Sergei, I like him as much as Higgy. I just can't figure out your hate for him. Did he ever turn you down in a bar? What's your problem babe?

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Still that makes 51, not 60... you are sure good at giving advice to yourself

I did watch Lehtinen kiddo. I've been watching hockey since the 80's.

No wonder you would miss the point about Ryder, it has nothing to do with what he is doing now. He was absolutely horrible on defense with the Habs in his last two seasons, and Higgins always had to repair Ryder's mistakes.

The point was that Dallas had a much better team than the Habs of 05-06 and 06-07. +/- is related to the team you play on, because there are 5 other players on the ice for your own team when this stat is counted. But you know what, I'm not surprised you don't understand something as simple as this. Back to school, bubba.

Maybe next you'll care enough to tell us what is the next step you want to take to implement a eugenics program. Your sister? Your cousin? Maybe your mom?

I mean, even if your father wasn't really succesful, and IMO, totally failed, doesn't mean you can't succeed
Oh poor Higgins, always having to clean up Ryder's messes. Just because you say something, doesn't necessarily make it true. Higgins is a slightly above average defensive player, and a slightly above average offensive player. He's the definition of a two-way player who is jack of some trades, but master of none. He's a huge ***** too, he loses points for that. 2nd-3rd liner, PK, and no PP for him.

For what it's worth, my MO is to only stick my dick in elite vages. That doesn't quite succeed in eliminating peasants like you, but we're quite content in continually expanding the gap between the rich and poor.

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Oh poor Higgins, always having to clean up Ryder's messes. Just because you say something, doesn't necessarily make it true. Higgins is a slightly above average defensive player, and a slightly above average offensive player. He's the definition of a two-way player who is jack of some trades, but master of none. He's a huge ***** too, he loses points for that. 2nd-3rd liner, PK, and no PP for him.

For what it's worth, my MO is to only stick my dick in elite vages. That doesn't quite succeed in eliminating peasants like you, but we're quite content in continually expanding the gap between the rich and poor.
Because you say something doesn't make it true either, poor you. That's why you divert the arguments into something you can handle, because let's face it, you can't handle much, nor do you have the capacity to do so. Higgins is much higher than above average on defense. Deal with it.

I guess MO doesn't stand for Modus Operandi here, rather "Made-up Obsession".

No wonder your kid says "hi, uncle!" when he sees you.

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Because you say something doesn't make it true either, poor you. That's why you divert the arguments into something you can handle, because let's face it, you can't handle much, nor do you have the capacity to do so. Higgins is much higher than above average on defense. Deal with it.

I guess MO doesn't stand for Modus Operandi here, rather "Made-up Obsession".

No wonder your kid says "hi, uncle!" when he sees you.
Where's your buddy Chipchura? I don't see him on the roster? Must be my mistake.

Wrong there. Wrong again. Just plain wrong, wrong, wrong. Keep cheerleading all you want, but I deal with reality. And here's another thing; what I say goes. Its always been like that and you can fight it all you want, but it's not going to do you any good.

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Higgins to Long Island for Trent Hunter. I do it.
If Hunter ever wears a Habs uniform I stop watching hockey.

are there any good bars for Higgy in longisland though?

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Where's your buddy Chipchura? I don't see him on the roster? Must be my mistake.

Wrong there. Wrong again. Just plain wrong, wrong, wrong. Keep cheerleading all you want, but I deal with reality. And here's another thing; what I say goes. Its always been like that and you can fight it all you want, but it's not going to do you any good.


Oh my god I haven't laughed so hard in awhile.

Huh huh. That's actually called delusions, not reality.

WTH about Chipchura? I think you are confusing me with someone else. Anyway, Chipchura can still come to the NHL as he was planned, a 3rd line center, I don't see your point, and I think you should quit on the blow, it "gives" you the illusion of being intelligent and ŗ propos, when you're actually making as much sense as Britney Spears in a debate about world politics.

What about Plekanec. I'm sure you had him all planned out as a 3rd or 4th line career center, or even worst, career AHLer.

I guess your beef against Higgins is probably also related to such a matter. You were probably going on and on about how he'll never make it to the NHL, like most prospects by the Habs did in the early 00's and late 90's, which is just a simplistic logic of extrapolating the past and making it the norm for the future. And since he did make it, proved you wrong, probably like many other things in your life where you have been proven wrong, instead of acting like a man and understanding your mistake, you kept on the same attitude, unable to confront reality. You'd make a great Ruins fan.

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I love you both !!

Also, don't waste you're time with Ozymandias guys, he defends Chris Higgins like I defend Sergei K.


So if you're saying he defends higgins uselessly...that means...well, let's just say I'm glad you finally admitted it, that's the first step isn't it?

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