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12-03-2008, 10:44 AM
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salo will not waive to go to columbus.
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12-03-2008, 10:54 AM
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why would we trade the leading goal score in the league?? for now are goaltending is fine.
Carter Richards are the future.

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12-03-2008, 11:45 AM
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if philly is gonna move a center its briere. probably for a similar package (goalie prospect, 2way faceoff specialist, pick) though i dont know if vancouver would still be interested

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12-03-2008, 01:57 PM
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Kind of funny that people think that Vancouver would trade Salo, Bliznak, Schneider, a 1st and a 3rd for Carter.
Carter is a good player, no doubt about that but people on this site seem to be such band wagoners, a player goes on a streak and their willing to trade the world for him.

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12-03-2008, 02:04 PM
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Good grief, Philly just...bends over there.

If Philly were to entertain trading Jeff Carter, they would want a one for one deal with a player of equal value coming back but in a different position. IE a star goalie or a star dman. But a bunch of futures and bottom sixers (albeit, good ones)? Vancouver would jump all over that.

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Value wise

Jeff Carter > Everyone in that proposal

No.

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12-03-2008, 02:16 PM
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So... you want us to give up a good portion of our secondary scoring (which we've never had before) and a good portion of our leadership guys (which we're short on this year), one of whom is one of our best forecheckers because of his speed and has quite a few years left, and the other while a bit older is one of our best PK forwards 'cause of his faceoffs and defensive play, and we get in return... a 34-year old defenseman who's frequently injured.

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA not a chance in hell.

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12-03-2008, 02:22 PM
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Good grief, Philly just...bends over there.

If Philly were to entertain trading Jeff Carter, they would want a one for one deal with a player of equal value coming back but in a different position. IE a star goalie or a star dman. But a bunch of futures and bottom sixers (albeit, good ones)? Vancouver would jump all over that.
That's kinda what I was thinking. If Philly was trading Carter for a Vancouver goalie his name would be Luongo, not Schneider. What's really appealing about Carter is that he's still a RFA when his contract is up. Homer really worked his magic on that contract.

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12-03-2008, 02:24 PM
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Kind of funny that people think that Vancouver would trade Salo, Bliznak, Schneider, a 1st and a 3rd for Carter.
Carter is a good player, no doubt about that but people on this site seem to be such band wagoners, a player goes on a streak and their willing to trade the world for him.
The only two assets that would even begin to be attractive in a deal for Carter would be Schneider and the 1st. The rest is all throw-in type stuff. Quantity doesn't equal quality.

How about this, can we just knock off ridiculous trade proposals involving Jeff Carter or Mike Richards? They're 23, PPG centers who've both had the word "Selke" thrown their way at some point by NHL people and both of whom the Flyers have locked up around 5 mill a season for 12 and 3 years (with another RFA contract) respectively.

Barring either player breaking down or a trade for a superstar, neither guy is getting dealt.

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Value wise

Jeff Carter > Everyone in that proposal

No.
I concur. All Flyers get is a 1st round pick next season and a very good prospect goalie, but not even close to Carter's value now and probably in the future. Last season probably, but not now.

This trade especially wouldn't get done with Briere missing up to a month. Flyers don't have much depth past Carter and Richards (and Metro) in the middle. Plus Vancouver is giving up a lot to get a single player.

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12-03-2008, 02:44 PM
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Hey make it just Luongo and I'll pack Carter's bags to Vancouver myself.

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12-03-2008, 02:47 PM
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Good grief, Philly just...bends over there.

If Philly were to entertain trading Jeff Carter, they would want a one for one deal with a player of equal value coming back but in a different position. IE a star goalie or a star dman. But a bunch of futures and bottom sixers (albeit, good ones)? Vancouver would jump all over that.
Carter isn't going to land you a star goalie. See below.

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That's kinda what I was thinking. If Philly was trading Carter for a Vancouver goalie his name would be Luongo, not Schneider. What's really appealing about Carter is that he's still a RFA when his contract is up. Homer really worked his magic on that contract.
If a trade is worked out between Philly and Vancouver including Luongo, it's Carter+++++ coming back. Carter is great and I love him, but be realistic - he's nowhere near Luongo's level.

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I concur. All Flyers get is a 1st round pick next season and a very good prospect goalie, but not even close to Carter's value now and probably in the future. Last season probably, but not now.

This trade especially wouldn't get done with Briere missing up to a month. Flyers don't have much depth past Carter and Richards (and Metro) in the middle. Plus Vancouver is giving up a lot to get a single player.
Carter is one of half a dozen players in the league I would trade Schneider for before extending Luongo, and while the VALUE is probably close, Salo/1st/3rd/Schneider/Bliznak is too many pieces. For both Philadelphia (they get hosed on quantity over quality) AND Vancouver (too MUCH quantity for one piece of quality).

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12-03-2008, 02:58 PM
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If a trade is worked out between Philly and Vancouver including Luongo, it's Carter+++++ coming back. Carter is great and I love him, but be realistic - he's nowhere near Luongo's level.
I never said Carter would land you Luongo. I said if the Flyers were going to trade Carter for a VAN goalie it would have to be for Luongo.

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12-03-2008, 03:06 PM
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Carter isn't going to land you a star goalie. See below.



If a trade is worked out between Philly and Vancouver including Luongo, it's Carter+++++ coming back. Carter is great and I love him, but be realistic - he's nowhere near Luongo's level.



Carter is one of half a dozen players in the league I would trade Schneider for before extending Luongo, and while the VALUE is probably close, Salo/1st/3rd/Schneider/Bliznak is too many pieces. For both Philadelphia (they get hosed on quantity over quality) AND Vancouver (too MUCH quantity for one piece of quality).
Goalies never have the value they should in a trade for several different reasons.

It would not be Carter ++++++ for Luongo.

Go back and find me an example of when any goalie was traded and the return included an asset like Carter.

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Cory Schneider will absolutely not be dealt until Luongo signs an extension this offseason.

And Sami Salo is not waiving his NTC to go to Columbus.

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12-03-2008, 03:21 PM
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Jeff carter is worth more than all those players put together...Hes a rising star. Poor move for philly. Go over the cap and get garbage. That's a move a non playoff team makes. BJ's goal tending is about the same as phillys. Bad observations, sorry buddy.

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Hey make it just Luongo and I'll pack Carter's bags to Vancouver myself.
Would you pack Richards bags?

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Would you pack Richards bags?
Yep.

Brad Richards to VAN.

Roberto Luongo to PHI.

Danny Briere to DAL.


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If a trade is worked out between Philly and Vancouver including Luongo, it's Carter+++++ coming back. Carter is great and I love him, but be realistic - he's nowhere near Luongo's level.
True, but that's because Luongo is a franchise goalie. And I didn't mean to imply that Carter would land a star goalie (how many teams have two of these?) or even a stud dman, but that those would be the types of players that would entice the Flyers to trade him.

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Would you pack Richards bags?
That's a big HELL-NO there, good buddy

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And Sami Salo is not waiving his NTC to go to Columbus.
And we're so hurt about that...

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And Sami Salo is not waiving his NTC to go to Columbus.
I think this is like an HFBoards rule that someone has to post this in every single trade rumor thread involving the CBJ.

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The Flyers in my opinion are oe of the most balanced teams overall. They have spread scoring to 3 lines, and have a very good defensive crop. The only thing holding them back in my opinion is a true #1 goalie.

The BJ's have 2 good scoring lines, excess 3rd liners, and great goaltending. They are lacking expierenced dmen.

The Nucks have one of the best goaltending tandems in the league (if not the best), great defense, but mediocre scoring lines filled with fringe top 6 fowards.

I propose a deal, that could instantly improve all three teams after taking from their strengths and adding to their weaknesses.

CBJ gets:
Sami Salo
Cody Hodgson

Philly gets:
Mike Peca
Jason Chimera
Corey Schneider
Van 3rd in 2009
Van 1st in 2010
EDIT: Mario Bliznak

Van gets:
Jeff Carter

CBJ does this because they have an excess amount of bottom 6 players (Chimera, Torres, Peca Maholtra, Novoltny, Boll, Dorsett, and Murray) and need an expierenced top 4 dman. Salo would be the top dman on their team, and they only lose 2 of their excess 3rd liners for him, albeit the two that have the most scoring prowess.

Philly does this because it gives them alot more breathing room now and in the future in cap space, and get 2 two way 3rd liners that could produce alot playing with Hartnell. Especially considering they are playing behind 2 lines that feature Gagne, Richards, Briere, Lupul, Nodl, and Giroux.
Philly also gets a very good blue-chip prospect in Schneider, and if given enough games to get used to the NHL, could probably show he can handle number one duties over Biron and Niitymaki. Then the Flyers can re-sign one of those two to be a 1B goalie on the team until Schneider gets more expierence of the next couple seasons and can handle 60+ games.
They also get a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick.

Van does this becuase they get a legite #1 center that is stuck behind Briere and Richards (although he is content with that). The Nucks have Luongo so they don't really need Schneider, and already have enough dmen to handle the loss of Salo. They also have Nycholat who can come in as a number 6 dman on the team.
This takes pressure of the Sedins, and could make them trade bait next season (if they re-sign, which they most likely will) if Hodgson proves he can handle centering a 2nd line. Maybe trading the Sedins and Grabner to Atlanta at the trade deadline for Kovalchuk if Atlanta isn't in a playoff spot.

Of course, this trade happens in January after Luongo returns from his injury

What do you guys think? Is the value close/off?

EDIT: I added Bliznak going to Philly because Peca is in his last few years, and Bliznak is proving in the AHL right now that he is a very good 2 way foward ideal for the 3rd line. I would like to keep Bliznak, but the Nucks don't need him with Kesler already doing so well as the number 3 center.

That makes more sense

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That makes more sense
Yea right, 2 veteran 3rd line players can nab Hodgson and Salo. I wonder if Johnson, and Pyatt can nab the Nucks the 1st overall pick in this years draft

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as a canucks fan i would do it in a heart beat...

terrible for columbus though, they get cheated in this

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