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12-03-2008, 05:28 PM
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to Ott: Bouwmeester

to Fla:Vermette, Kelly and Phillips

Ottawa gets a young puck mover that they desperatley need.
Florida gets Vermette and Kelly who played well with Stillman, for some scoring depth, and Phillips solidifies ther blueline.
For this deal to work Bouwmeester is either signed or has agreed to sign before trade
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12-03-2008, 05:31 PM
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to Ott: Bouwmeester

to Fla:Vermette, Kelly and Phillips

Ottawa gets a young puck mover that they desperatley need.
Florida gets Vermette and Kelly who played well with Stillman, for some scoring depth, and Phillips solidifies ther blueline.
For this deal to work Bouwmeester is either signed or has agreed to sign before trade
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12-03-2008, 05:34 PM
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I dont think Florida needs Phillips. Their D is pretty good, they do need a young D prospect.
They need quality forwards that will help the team control the puck longuer which mean less shots on their goaltenders.

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12-03-2008, 05:39 PM
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They need quality forwards that will help the team control the puck longuer which mean less shots on their goaltenders.
Allow me to translate: you need to trade JBo to the Habs

As to the deal, there is no sign that JBo wants to sign an extension. If he was willing, I would want to know how much $, because if it is Chara $ then no to the proposal.

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12-03-2008, 05:40 PM
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Allow me to translate: you need to trade JBo the Habs

As to the deal, there is no sign that JBo wants to sign an extension. If he was willing, I would want to know how much $, because if it is Chara $ then no to the proposal.
i was thinking in the Brian Campbell range

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12-03-2008, 05:49 PM
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to Ott: Bouwmeester

to Fla:Vermette, Kelly and Phillips

Ottawa gets a young puck mover that they desperatley need.
Florida gets Vermette and Kelly who played well with Stillman, for some scoring depth, and Phillips solidifies ther blueline.
For this deal to work Bouwmeester is either signed or has agreed to sign before trade
Flame away
Ottawa gives up
- a top-4 D-man, when we arguably only have 3 of those right now and project to have 2 next season.
- a top-6 forward, when we have 5 of those right now... and many would debate that.
- a 3rd line center who is good enough all-round to anchor a line with 4th line wingers to make it a 3rd line.

After seeing Campbell's contract, I don't want to touch Jay-Bo with a 10-foot-pole. He's quickly becoming one of the most overrated players in the league simply because he's a UFA. He (and Campbell for that matter) have never sniffed a Norris and might never... and they're going to make $7M+? Not on my team. He'd make more than Phillips and Vermette combined.

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12-03-2008, 05:57 PM
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Ottawa gives up
- a top-4 D-man, when we arguably only have 3 of those right now and project to have 2 next season.
- a top-6 forward, when we have 5 of those right now... and many would debate that.
- a 3rd line center who is good enough all-round to anchor a line with 4th line wingers to make it a 3rd line.

After seeing Campbell's contract, I don't want to touch Jay-Bo with a 10-foot-pole. He's quickly becoming one of the most overrated players in the league simply because he's a UFA. He (and Campbell for that matter) have never sniffed a Norris and might never... and they're going to make $7M+? Not on my team. He'd make more than Phillips and Vermette combined.
Fair criticism, but i should add that there is a few reasons i came up with this trade:
1. by moving Phillips it allows us to re-sign Kuba, who combined with J-Bo improves our ability to move the puck immensely.
2. We don't give up either of our 1st round picks.
3.We got a top end d-man and still have cap room to improve our second line

Don't know if that changes your mind, but that's the logic behind it.

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12-03-2008, 05:57 PM
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Ottawa gives up
- a top-4 D-man, when we arguably only have 3 of those right now and project to have 2 next season.
- a top-6 forward, when we have 5 of those right now... and many would debate that.
- a 3rd line center who is good enough all-round to anchor a line with 4th line wingers to make it a 3rd line.

After seeing Campbell's contract, I don't want to touch Jay-Bo with a 10-foot-pole. He's quickly becoming one of the most overrated players in the league simply because he's a UFA. He (and Campbell for that matter) have never sniffed a Norris and might never... and they're going to make $7M+? Not on my team. He'd make more than Phillips and Vermette combined.
This team desperately needs mobility, speed, and puck movement on the back end. If Murray continues to ignore that need, this team is doomed.

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12-03-2008, 06:04 PM
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This team desperately needs mobility, speed, and puck movement on the back end. If Murray continues to ignore that need, this team is doomed.
They also need someone who can put the puck in the net that isnt one of the big three.

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12-03-2008, 06:16 PM
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Allow me to translate: you need to trade JBo to the Habs
Bouwmeester in Montreal? That'd be fun to see. Not sure how he could avoid microphones and cameras there though

Montreal's fan would love the hockey player he is, but the man...doubt it. I don't think he'd be happy in a city like Montreal.

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12-03-2008, 09:06 PM
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Too much. Vermette, Lee, SJ 1st should do the trick.

With this, we have:

Heatley - Spezza - Alfredsson
Foligno - Fisher - Neil
Ruutu - McAmmond - Donovan
Zubov - Bass - Winchester

Bouwmeester - Volchenkov
Schubert - Kuba
Picard - Bell

Meh.

I'll give Vermette a chance though. His play looks like it's picking up.


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Too much. Vermette, Lee, SJ 1st should do the trick.

With that, we have:

Heatley - Spezza - Alfredsson
Foligno - Fisher - Neil
McAmmond - Kelly - Donovan
Zubov - Bass - Winchester

Bouwmeester - Volchenkov
Schubert - Kuba
Picard - Bell

Meh.

I'll give Vermette a chance though. His play looks like it's picking up.
you lose phillips somewhere?

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12-03-2008, 09:13 PM
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you lose phillips somewhere?
My bad, I meant for OP's deal.

For Vermette, Lee, 1st:

Heatley - Spezza - Alfredsson
Foligno - Fisher - Donovan
Ruutu - Kelly - Winchester
McAmmond - Bass - Neil

Bouwmeester - Volchenkov
Phillips - Kuba
Picard - Bell

Auld
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12-04-2008, 07:04 AM
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Fair criticism, but i should add that there is a few reasons i came up with this trade:
1. by moving Phillips it allows us to re-sign Kuba, who combined with J-Bo improves our ability to move the puck immensely.
2. We don't give up either of our 1st round picks.
3.We got a top end d-man and still have cap room to improve our second line

Don't know if that changes your mind, but that's the logic behind it.
Moving Phillips and Vermette for Jay-Bo's impending cap disaster of a contract... and resigning Kuba and signing a 2nd liner would come dangerously close to burning all of our cap space next season. Not knowing if we'll need a goalie by then or not.

I'm not worried about keeping our 1sts. I'm worried about winning a Cup while Alfie is here.

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This team desperately needs mobility, speed, and puck movement on the back end. If Murray continues to ignore that need, this team is doomed.
Yep, acquire J.Leopold or R.Jones or F.Kaberle or any of a number of reasonably priced 30-35 point D-men. Don't blow all your cap space by giving a grossly overrated UFA $7M+ to a 40 point D-man.

(yes, I know Bouwmeester has great skating range and is great defensively... we already have Phillips, Volchenkov, Smith and Kuba defensively. If we pick up an offensive D-man, he could be An-y -elmore for all I care. $5 extra Million cuz Bouw can play defense is b*******!)


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12-04-2008, 07:29 AM
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[QUOTE=trentmccleary;16640278]Moving Phillips and Vermette for Jay-Bo's impending cap disaster of a contract... and resigning Kuba and signing a 2nd liner would come dangerously close to burning all of our cap space next season. Not knowing if we'll need a goalie by then or not.

I'm not worried about keeping our 1sts. I'm worried about winning a Cup while Alfie is here.



hey trent here's how is see it working out if we make the J-Bo trade i proposed:

alfie- spezza -heatley= 20mil

E. cole- fish- winchetster=8.5

Ruutu- Mcammond- neil=4

Foligno- Bass- Donovan=1.8

Bouwmeester- volch=10

Kuba- Picard=5.8

Smith-lee/Bell=3.5

auld-elliott=2

total cap hit 55 mil, which puts us up there for sure.

i'm interested to see what it looks likethe way you want to do it.(that's not a hostile comment, i'm interested to see what you would do)

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alfie- spezza -heatley= 20mil
E. cole- fish- winchetster=8.5
Ruutu- Mcammond- neil=4
Foligno- Bass- Donovan=1.8
Bouwmeester- volch=10
Kuba- Picard=5.8
Smith-lee/Bell=3.5
auld-elliott=2

total cap hit 55 mil, which puts us up there for sure.

i'm interested to see what it looks likethe way you want to do it.(that's not a hostile comment, i'm interested to see what you would do)
By doing rough salaries, you've cut corners and dropped your cap hit by $1M.
I count $56.012 for you team... and that includes the apparent $250k salary decrease you've given to Erik Cole. A more realistic salary for him would put you over the cap.

I would sign 2 decent 2-way D-men capable of 35 pts and playing in our top-4 for $7.5M total. I'd trade Schubert and make Lee/Picard/Smith fight to stay in a healthy lineup every game. I wouldn't fill the 2nd line spot beside Fisher and Vermette, instead I would try to fill from within until the trade deadline and evaluate from there. My teams costs 52.95M.

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By doing rough salaries, you've cut corners and dropped your cap hit by $1M.
I count $56.012 for you team... and that includes the apparent $250k salary decrease you've given to Erik Cole. A more realistic salary for him would put you over the cap.

I would sign 2 decent 2-way D-men capable of 35 pts and playing in our top-4 for $7.5M total. I'd trade Schubert and make Lee/Picard/Smith fight to stay in a healthy lineup every game. I wouldn't fill the 2nd line spot beside Fisher and Vermette, instead I would try to fill from within until the trade deadline and evaluate from there. My teams costs 52.95M.
if i cut corners it wasn't intentional, but i'll accept that. As for Cole he's the guy i'd prefer, i don't know if you get him for that, so that's fair. But what i'm really after is your lineup, again i'm not looking to cut it down, i actually want to know what an intelligent poster( that would be you) thinks our line-up would look like. You say 30 -35 point d man, i don't think it's wrong at all i just want to see who we can get, and for what ,and who has to leave to make it happen.

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to Ott: Bouwmeester

to Fla:Vermette, Kelly and Phillips

Ottawa gets a young puck mover that they desperatley need.
Florida gets Vermette and Kelly who played well with Stillman, for some scoring depth, and Phillips solidifies ther blueline.
For this deal to work Bouwmeester is either signed or has agreed to sign before trade
Flame away
Over-payment by the Sens. That's 3/4 of our best penalty killing line.

Make it Vermette, Schubert and a conditional pick for Bouwmeester. If we re-sign Bouwmeester, they take our 2010 1st round pick.

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Over-payment by the Sens. That's 3/4 of our best penalty killing line.

Make it Vermette, Schubert and a conditional pick for Bouwmeester. If we re-sign Bouwmeester, they take our 2010 1st round pick.
Yes...but no way Florida accepts that...

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No way! The sens are giving up way to much for a player that will be a UFA at seasons end, even if the trade came with JBo signing long term, I think it is still to much to give up

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I would sign 2 decent 2-way D-men capable of 35 pts and playing in our top-4 for $7.5M total. I'd trade Schubert and make Lee/Picard/Smith fight to stay in a healthy lineup every game. I wouldn't fill the 2nd line spot beside Fisher and Vermette, instead I would try to fill from within until the trade deadline and evaluate from there. My teams costs 52.95M.
I think this is a good call, although I'd be inclined to see what we could get for some combination of Vermette, Schubert and SJ's 1st rounder this season. That could get us some improvement on Vermette in the Top-6 and a Top-4 defenseman.

I'd further nominate Zubov as the other guy we need in the Top-6 (or Top-9 at minimum) full time.

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Over-payment by the Sens. That's 3/4 of our best penalty killing line.

Make it Vermette, Schubert and a conditional pick for Bouwmeester. If we re-sign Bouwmeester, they take our 2010 1st round pick.
Oh please can we have Schubert. Nice lowballing, Sens fans.

Counter:

To Ott: Jaybo, Conditional 6th round pick.

To Fla: Heatley, Lee, Zubov, 1st, Foligno, Bass.

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Oh please can we have Schubert. Nice lowballing, Sens fans.

Counter:

To Ott: Jaybo, Conditional 6th round pick.

To Fla: Heatley, Lee, Zubov, 1st, Foligno, Bass.
Only if you take SJ's first too. That thing is starting to have negative value.

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Oh please can we have Schubert. Nice lowballing, Sens fans.

Counter:

To Ott: Jaybo, Conditional 6th round pick.

To Fla: Heatley, Lee, Zubov, 1st, Foligno, Bass.
You'll have to take Emery out of Syberia too or there's no deal!

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This package is way too much to give up for an impending free agent, and I don't think the Sens are to give up Phillips at any point as he's a lifelong Sen, signed for about a million less than he could make on the open market. Also you can't give up three roster players for one dude, that just doesn't work.

If J-bo does get traded to Ottawa I could see something more like this:
-Brian Lee
-Chris Kelly
-SJ 1st round pick
-Ottawa's 2nd round pick in 2010

Florida is building long-term and if anything they'll be wanting to dump salary quite extensively since they're about to miss the playoffs for the 7th straight season.

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