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12-04-2008, 01:59 PM
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Kostopoulos. I like him, but we got guys who can do that job for NHL Minimum Wage on the farm.
Chipchura makes more than Kostopoulos.

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12-04-2008, 02:02 PM
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Why is D'Ago getting a million. He hasn't done a thing yet.

It is actually fairly common for players to sign their second contract for an amount that is less than their entry level contract except this second contract is a one-way contract. I can see him signing for 650-750 K. Higgins will have to prove that he is as good as AKost to get the same money. I see 2.5 to a maximum of 3 for him. And I don't think Lats is worth that much yet. Maybe 1.1, 1.2 for him. Gainey can always use the fact that he spends a lot of time in the press box still.
I'm assuming that D'Agostini is going to be re-signed at the end of the season, after he's had time to show what he's worth.

My point was that even if you adjust the contracts to what you see as accurate, we can ice a competitive lineup while being much better off cap-wise than other teams, even if the cap lowers.

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Komisarek then Koivu.

Anyone else is not a priority. Tanguay is nice if he takes a bit of a paycut. Unless he shows us something else for the rest of the year.

Kovalev, might do the dressing room some good for him to go elsewhere. Anyways if he is resigned to any length, the value should diminish from year to year. Koivu also.

Lang, buh-bye.

Kostopoulos. I like him, but we got guys who can do that job for NHL Minimum Wage on the farm.

Begin. Will he retire. Will his back hold up that long. I don't see him back here.

Dandy. Will probably leave. I doubt he's offered anything in Mtl.

Bouillon. Cna leave if he gets a better offer, although I can see Gainey offering him something. Not too far off his current salary plus or minus.

Brisebois. I think this will be it for Breezy and the team will offer him an assistant coaching job in Hamilton.
Man, you're so lucky. You have access to the dressing room.

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12-04-2008, 02:19 PM
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Re-sign Tanguay, Koivu, Komisarek and Kostopoulos. Kovalev is dependent on his performance, but probably shouldn't be resigned if the cap goes down. The rest can be replaced from within the organization.

Doing the numbers for next year, if we sign the following at those numbers: Koivu (4,750,000 NTC), Tanguay (5,500,000), Komisarek (4,750,000), Plekanec (4,000,000), Higgins (3,500,000), Latendresse (1,800,000), Chipchura (800,000) and D'Agostini (1,000,000), then that leaves about 51,522,000 on the payroll (including rookie contracts for Weber, Carle, Maxwell, Stewart) which is easily workable.
If the cap goes down, and Plekanec's production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get considerably under $3M.

If the cap goes down, and Latendresse's production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get around $1M. How much is a 7 goal scorer worth?

If the cap goes down, and Higgins' production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get under $3M.

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12-04-2008, 02:32 PM
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If the cap goes down, and Plekanec's production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get considerably under $3M.

If the cap goes down, and Latendresse's production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get around $1M. How much is a 7 goal scorer worth?

If the cap goes down, and Higgins' production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get under $3M.
Exactly. Plus, Koivu will probably cost less than his present contract. Between a 3 or 4 mil cap hit. Same with Kovy, if he stays.

Altho, I'm always a fan of keeping the team together, I feel more and more that the Habs could afford to lose Kovy and promote some youth.

Bottom line is that I think it all depends on who's ready. If a winger can make it next year, whether Daggs or MaxPac, then I would try to re-sign Lang at a much lower contract. If Maxwell or Chipchura is ready, than I wouldn't re-sign Lang and I would maybe take Kovy if no wingers are ready. If we can have both a winger and center ready, then we might spend that extra money on a 4th Dman worth around 4 mil.

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12-04-2008, 02:34 PM
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I like Pierre as an analyst, but he’s really got to stop focusing on the 10 UFAs we have after this year. He mentions it at every opportunity like the sky will fall next season. Here’s the list (thanks to Thief50):

Tom Kostopoulos RW $900,000
Saku Koivu C $4,500,000 NTC
Alex Tanguay LW $5,375,000
Robert Lang C $4,000,000

Steve Bégin LW/C $1,300,000
Mathieu Dandenault RW/D $1,750,000
Alex Kovalev RW NTC [not to Western Conf prior to 1/31/09 w/o consent] $4,500,000
Mike Komisarek D $1,900,000
Francis Bouillon D $1,875,000
Patrice Brisebois D $750,000


At least he can count. So who of the above are ‘must sign’ players and who are ‘like to sign’ players’? I count two musts in Koivu and Komisarek. Beyond Komi, I can’t see any that would need to be signed at more than current salary. I see several more I’d like to see stay but from the remainder, a few have salaries above their value and some should just move on to make room for prospects. The only one I’d qualify would be Kovy, but I’m not sold on him being the piece that brings this organization a Cup.

Here’s the true value in the strength of the Hab’s prospect depth and the UFA market. There are players ready step in or available at all the above positions. Gainey does not need to be held for ransom. Someone should tell Pierre.
IMO Komisarek Tanguay and Saku are the only real ``must sign`` players. But that`s just me

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12-04-2008, 02:43 PM
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Kostopoulos isn't really an issue, unless he's looking for a raise. He isn't overpaid at $900,000.
Not at $900,000 but who knows what he'll asking knowing how Carbo and Co love him, knowing that his role is more important etc.....He might not have the power of the numbers, might have a certain power anyway.....Knowing that Laraque has 1.5....could Kosto ask for 1.3-1.4???

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Komisarek, Koivu, Kovalev

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Keeping:
1. Komisarek
2. Tanguay
3. Koivu

Coming from Hamilton:
FromMaxPac, Chipchura, D'ago, Stewart

May be called back from Hamilton:
Maxwell, Weber, Emelin,

Gone - Tom Kostopoulos RW $900,000
Keep - Saku Koivu C $4,500,000 NTC
Keep - Alex Tanguay LW $5,375,000
Gone - Robert Lang C $4,000,000
Gone - Steve Bégin LW/C $1,300,000
Gone - Mathieu Dandenault RW/D $1,750,000
Gone - Alex Kovalev RW NTC [not to Western Conf prior to 1/31/09 w/o consent] $4,500,000
Keep - Mike Komisarek D $1,900,000
Gone - Francis Bouillon D $1,875,000
Gone - Patrice Brisebois D $750,000

$15,075,000 to spend
#1b Center (Big righ handed center)
#4 D man
New Contracts

Possible Lineup
Tanguay - Koivu - MaxPac
S Kost - Big center UFA - A Kost
Higgins - Plekanek - Lats
D'ago - Lapierre - Stewart (Laraque when needed)
(Maxwell)

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-UFA
O'byrne- Emelin/Carle/Weber

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12-04-2008, 03:03 PM
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Oops, I forgot Gorges

Possible Lineup
Tanguay - Koivu - MaxPac
S Kost - Big center UFA - A Kost
Higgins - Plekanek - Lats
D'ago - Lapierre - Stewart (Laraque when needed)
(Maxwell)

Markov - Komisarek
Hamrlik - UFA
Gorges - O'byrne (Emelin/Carle/Weber)

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12-04-2008, 03:04 PM
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If the cap goes down, and Plekanec's production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get considerably under $3M.

If the cap goes down, and Latendresse's production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get around $1M. How much is a 7 goal scorer worth?

If the cap goes down, and Higgins' production stays steady, at the same rate as so far, he will get under $3M.
...you think Plekanec will finish the season with 44 points? Higgins with 38? Latendresse with 31?

Obviously I was basing my estimates on last years numbers, and assuming that their scoring would normalize as the season progresses. I'm surprised you think this is par the course for Plekanec, or Higgins. Latendresse I could sort of see.

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Komisarek, Kostopoulos, and Koivu are the must signs. Tanguay and Kovalev if the price is right.


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Keeping:
1. Komisarek
2. Tanguay
3. Koivu

Coming from Hamilton:
FromMaxPac, Chipchura, D'ago, Stewart

May be called back from Hamilton:
Maxwell, Weber, Emelin,

Gone - Tom Kostopoulos RW $900,000
Keep - Saku Koivu C $4,500,000 NTC
Keep - Alex Tanguay LW $5,375,000
Gone - Robert Lang C $4,000,000
Gone - Steve Bégin LW/C $1,300,000
Gone - Mathieu Dandenault RW/D $1,750,000
Gone - Alex Kovalev RW NTC [not to Western Conf prior to 1/31/09 w/o consent] $4,500,000
Keep - Mike Komisarek D $1,900,000
Gone - Francis Bouillon D $1,875,000
Gone - Patrice Brisebois D $750,000

$15,075,000 to spend
#1b Center (Big righ handed center)
#4 D man
New Contracts

Possible Lineup
Tanguay - Koivu - MaxPac
S Kost - Big center UFA - A Kost
Higgins - Plekanek - Lats
D'ago - Lapierre - Stewart (Laraque when needed)
(Maxwell)

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-UFA
O'byrne- Emelin/Carle/Weber

Why not just re-sign Lang for one more year since he seems to like it here and then replace him by Maxwell the following year. Lang won't cost more than 3 mil and this will leave us some space to re-sign SKost and Price at the end of 09-10. And yeah, you did in fact forget Gorges.

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Bob Gainey should get all four big guys (Koivu, Komo, Tanguay, Kovy) in a room and pitch this deal:

"Alright guys, this is how it is: 4 for 4 for 4: 4 guys, 4 year contracts, 4 Million a year. Let's do it! The marketing will be glorious!"

While Tom Kostopolous, sitting quietly in the corner, pipes up: "Uh, what about 5 for 5 for 5?"

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Bob Gainey should get all four big guys (Koivu, Komo, Tanguay, Kovy) in a room and pitch this deal:

"Alright guys, this is how it is: 4 for 4 for 4: 4 guys, 4 year contracts, 4 Million a year. Let's do it! The marketing will be glorious!"

While Tom Kostopolous, sitting quietly in the corner, pipes up: "Uh, what about 5 for 5 for 5?"
I LOLed...

And Bob's eyes light up and tells Tom "Wow, that's a great idea Tom"

Tom is beaming.

And Bob says, "Now go get me Lang so we can get this done"

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Why not just re-sign Lang for one more year since he seems to like it here and then replace him by Maxwell the following year. Lang won't cost more than 3 mil and this will leave us some space to re-sign SKost and Price at the end of 09-10. And yeah, you did in fact forget Gorges.
If there is no UFA center available or no trade possible to fill that position, then yes, Lang could be resigned for a year.

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If there is no UFA center available or no trade possible to fill that position, then yes, Lang could be resigned for a year.
Kyle Chipchura says hello.

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How the hell do people want Kovalev over Tanguay??

Tanguay is much younger and ensures we ahve a productive winger for years to come.

Kovalev is much older and enigmatic. If we could somehow keep them both, that would be great, but Tanguay is a much better option, IMO.

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Chipchura makes more than Kostopoulos.
Chipchura is still on his entry level contract. He makes more than Kosto when he's in Mtl not in Hamilton. In his next contract, if he wants a one way contract, he'll most likely take a paycut. The same with any players who haven't earned a full time NHL job yet but are ready or on the cusp.

Anyways, I was thinking of Stewart since he would be a winger, but Chips fits too.

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I'm assuming that D'Agostini is going to be re-signed at the end of the season, after he's had time to show what he's worth.

My point was that even if you adjust the contracts to what you see as accurate, we can ice a competitive lineup while being much better off cap-wise than other teams, even if the cap lowers.
I guess we are pretty much in agreement.

BTW, everyone is forgetting the 11th UFA. The #4 D that BG will get at the deadline. At least another 3rd pairing D if he can't get a top guy. Anyways New Guy doesn't get resigned.

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Kyle Chipchura says hello.
Lang plays on the 3rd line, not the 4th line.

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Lang plays on the 3rd line, not the 4th line.
And so will our boy from Hamilton, unless Bob signs another centre.

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And so will our boy from Hamilton, unless Bob signs another centre.
Haha. I've already spoken regarding Chipchura. Look it up if you wanna know how things are gonna go for him.

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