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12-01-2008, 08:03 PM
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Interesting that they are the same size.....Cote take jujitsu lessons then making him tougher?
the only thing about jiu jitsu is that it is a grappling and submission art.... dont know how that would help him fight better, considering its point is to get someone on the ground (without punching or pummeling them)

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12-01-2008, 08:05 PM
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12-01-2008, 08:07 PM
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Gratton > Cote

...oh well.

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12-01-2008, 08:08 PM
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You tell me what he isn't. I know what he is.
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12-01-2008, 09:17 PM
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Taking a martial arts class is not just about the specific technique you learn, in Cote's case Jui Jitsu, it is also about mind, balance, aggression, etc.

If Cote is excelling at Jui Jitsu it should be hard to take him down to the ice to end a fight, he will have increased stamina, manage his agression and be smart about his fighting when engaged. Not to mention, alot of a fight has to do with hand and body position, two things he will be learning in classes.

I have a question however, if Cote was in a fight and he for some odd reason decided he was going to free himself from a hugging match by using some sort of martial arts move, what would the league ramifications be?

I mean are there rules saying that once to the ice Cote can't put a player into an arm bar and wait for the tapout? I'd love to see someone try it, not to see a player get hurt, but for the hilariousness of watching two hockey players armbar eachother, refusing to tap

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12-01-2008, 09:31 PM
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Yea, i remember last year there being a clip about Cote taking classes somewhere over in New Jersey on Jui Jitsu. I agree that there is a lot more to it then just learning how to take someone down without aggression, you can see a much more focused attack when riley fights compared to other guys that just throw haymakers. I will bring it up.....Cote vs Roy last year.....One of the best fights i have seen by the flyers in a while!

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12-01-2008, 09:31 PM
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Which brings up an interesting question....Best fight you have seen by a flyers player?

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12-01-2008, 09:48 PM
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Which brings up an interesting question....Best fight you have seen by a flyers player?
Downie ducking that dude on the Devils.

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12-01-2008, 10:10 PM
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I wanna see Cote vs BGL mma style

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12-01-2008, 10:11 PM
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Should've waived Asham. Gratton and Cote together would be awesome.
yeah, then we could have two undersized enforcers that get their arses kicked

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12-01-2008, 10:13 PM
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yeah, then we could have two undersized enforcers that get their arses kicked
Cote? arse kicked?

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12-01-2008, 11:17 PM
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Asham is good at hitting the other players fist with his face repeatedly
Well, he and Gratton certainly share that quality

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12-02-2008, 07:57 AM
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I never liked Gratton. In his first round with the Flyers, he was so worried about playing his "role", that he'd pick the absolute worst times to fight. It was so frustrating. While he picked his timing a little better this time, I felt that his lack of "winning" has helped other teams gain more momentum in games than giving it to us.

Maybe I'm biased because of my previous dislike for him, but meh.... see ya.

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12-02-2008, 08:15 AM
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I like Cote over Gratton baseed solely on the fact that Cote has proven over the past year that he won't cost us goals while on the ice.
The list of enforcers in the NHL that don't own a negative +/- is short and Cote is on it.

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12-02-2008, 08:18 AM
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yeah, then we could have two undersized enforcers that get their arses kicked
as opposed to an undersized Asham who's supposed to be some sort of utility/tough guy and isn't either one?

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12-02-2008, 08:19 AM
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Which brings up an interesting question....Best fight you have seen by a flyers player?
Here are some good ones over the last few years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzP07Cw_uGY&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QffB2hJ_Hg&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi6PPnUpRdE&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVdLijzAWjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYGO1e8QFgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHUk5rwXSTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_cj3_kQXuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_qYhNvxL_Q

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12-02-2008, 08:21 AM
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Gratton actually really started to grow on me. I didn't know how to feel when we first got him back, but he played his role very well I think, and for a while I thought Asham might actually be sent down. It's a shame though because now I like Gratton and Cote equally, with the slight edge going to Cote since he can fight a little better haha. Something tells me we'll see Gratton back shortly, though. Just a feeling.

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12-02-2008, 01:18 PM
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I'm not terribly surprised or upset by this...but I'd have been fine with them waiving Asham rather than Gratton.

Asham hasn't been particularly important for this club, IMO. According to the NHL.com stats, he is 2nd on the team with 37 hits...but I really find that hard to believe. I think to myself all the time when I'm watching him that he doesn't hit enough. And besides, even when he does...he's not all that intimidating of a figure, and his hits aren't exactly bonecrushing. He doesn't arrive in the corners on the forecheck with the presence of guys like Hartnell, Gratton, or Cote. And he's not much of a fighter either.

I will say, though, that in emergency situations mid-game where someone needs to be replaced in the top nine, Asham can look less out of place in that role than Cote or Gratton. But how important is that role, really? If someone really needs to jump in the top nine mid-game, even if it's to replace a wing...why not just use whoever is centering the fourth line, whether it be Kalinski, Ross, Powe...whomever. I think any of those guys could manage that "utility" role just as well as Asham, if not better.

I don't mean to hate on Asham...for the most part I do appreciate it his efforts for this team, he hustles and works hard, and I don't dislike him. I'm just sayin', though.

EDIT: BTW, the "hits" stat seems like garbage in general, doesn't it? There are so many hits that take place that aren't credited. Our team leader in hits is Richards, with 40. Come on. You're telling me Richards has only thrown 40 hits all year...through 23 games? Less than 2 per game? Garbage. And Cote has 4 hits through 11 games. I know Riley doesn't get a lot of icetime, but when he's out there he throws his weight around. 4 hits? Come on.

And oh yeah...one more thing I forgot to add about Asham. He's also supposed to be an "agitator." But from watching him so far this year, he doesn't seem to get under the opponent's skin all that often. He doesn't "agitate" as well as Hartnell or Upshall.


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12-02-2008, 02:03 PM
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The Asham vs Gratton debate is pretty pointless. It's like debating Bill Wyman vs Ringo Starr... it doesn't matter at all.

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12-04-2008, 08:48 PM
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We need Asham so Stevens can put him on a line with Richards.

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