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07-16-2004, 08:48 PM
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Hemsky-Nedved-Dvorak
York-Allison-Smyth
Moreau-Reasoner-Torres
Then the 4line scramble.

That's 1 player away from an elite set of forwards in this league. 1 scoring winger and we can gun with ANYONE.

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Or could it be that he was honeymooning for the last couple weeks? Since his wedding, we've heard nothing.
Nedved may very well be on a honeymoon, but his agent does all the work when it comes to negotiating contracts. I'm sure all Nedved has to do is give his O.K for a new contract. Nedved probably hasn't been signed yet for 1 of 2 reasons:

1) He hasn't received a proposal he feels is high enough (or any at all) due to CBA uncertainty.

or

2) He is still making up his decision between several proposals.

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Nedved may very well be on a honeymoon, but his agent does all the work when it comes to negotiating contracts. I'm sure all Nedved has to do is give his O.K for a new contract. Nedved probably hasn't been signed yet for 1 of 2 reasons:

1) He hasn't received a proposal he feels is high enough (or any at all) due to CBA uncertainty.

or

2) He is still making up his decision between several proposals.
or

3) He's on a deserted island with no phones, alone with his new wife... it's a honeymoon, I'm sure he can place his hockey career on hold for a few weeks to get married and enjoy a honeymoon.

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As much as I like Allison...

I don't think he's the awnser. In this case we're looking for a guy who's stats are heavy in GP instead of PPG.

Now that being said, if Reasoner is healthy we could go York-Horc-Reasoner-Stoll and if we only get 60 games out of Allison then it wouldn't be the end of the world. Because I'm not really about Lowe spending all kinds of time or money on Nedved either.

But the Jason thing would ahve to be with a very very sensible base and we'd also have to be confident in the health of the 4 pivots above and right now Reasoner's career is in the air, Stoll's still pretty green and York looks like a lock to miss 20 games a season. And what are the options at pivot beyond Bisahi? Joe Cullen

Exactly

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And what are the options at pivot beyond Bisahi? Joe Cullen

Exactly
That is, of course, assuming Pouliot, Niinimaki and/or Schremp don't blow the socks off of MacT in training camp (assuming there is one).

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That is, of course, assuming Pouliot, Niinimaki and/or Schremp don't blow the socks off of MacT in training camp (assuming there is one).
I think those are pretty safe assumptions in all three cases. Like the man said, Rob is a pivot and MacT isn't gonna trust any centre who isn't sound defensively. Pouliot isn't exactly built like a house and he's had durability issues. Jesse isn't even realistically on the radar at this point

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I think those are pretty safe assumptions in all three cases. Like the man said, Rob is a pivot and MacT isn't gonna trust any centre who isn't sound defensively. Pouliot isn't exactly built like a house and he's had durability issues. Jesse isn't even realistically on the radar at this point
Well, there's the possibility that MacT may be forced to play one of those three. Let's say Nedved isn't re-signed. Allison is either not signed or injured and can't play. That leaves York as our top center (even though I would play him on wing personally). Horcoff is next. Then Stoll. Reasoner is a maybe. That's 3 checking line centers and one second line center on a team that needs a 1st line center. If one goes down to injury or goes on a slump, what happens? Bishai and Cullen aren't the answer, especially if it's York going down to injury.

If Schremp or Pouliot display good offensive skills and marginally adequate defensive abilities in camp, MacT may be forced to play one of them if the situation requires him to, IMO.

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Rob is a pivot and MacT isn't gonna trust any centre who isn't sound defensively.
He sure trusted Mike Comrie a lot.

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He did

when he had no other options. The days when Comrie was about the only guy outside of Smyth that had any offensive spark at all

There's the difference. At least our wingers are better these days

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I would love to see Allison in Edmonton IF he would agree to some sort of contract based on games played. It's a gamble with his injuries, but if the Oilers are not on the hook for his entire contract if he only plays 20 or so games, then it is definitely one with big potential payoffs. If he re-establishes himself in the league by playing a full season with the Oil and putting up big points, he could always be another useful trading chip for Lowe (as a proven healthy Jason Allison would undoubtedly demand a much higher salary)... I don't know, it sounds like the type of deal Lowe would look at.

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I would love to see Allison in Edmonton IF he would agree to some sort of contract based on games played. It's a gamble with his injuries, but if the Oilers are not on the hook for his entire contract if he only plays 20 or so games, then it is definitely one with big potential payoffs. If he re-establishes himself in the league by playing a full season with the Oil and putting up big points, he could always be another useful trading chip for Lowe (as a proven healthy Jason Allison would undoubtedly demand a much higher salary)... I don't know, it sounds like the type of deal Lowe would look at.
The big problem with this situation is that I just can't see Allison signing with Edmonton under a contract like this. There are a million teams that would be interested in signing Jason to a small contract with large potential incentives and I unfortunately feel that he'd find a better deal elsewhere. Allison is definitely not going to be getting $8 million/season from any GM's but I can definitely see him getting $2.5 million+ with incentives and I just don't think it's worth the risk..

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Just saw this on tsn.ca. Nothing about the Oilers, just Allison in general.

Jason Allison, F, 29, $8 million: Missed all of last season with a serious whiplash injury that produced concussion-like symptoms. Still, this is the same player that was second in NHL scoring with 95 points just four seasons ago. There's been significant interest but Allison doesn't want to commit to a team until he feels fit.

"He fully intends to come back and play but he wants to do it at 100 per cent and he's not going to do it unless he can dominate the way he did,'' Allison's agent Bryant McBride said Monday from Boston.

"He's been symptom-free since March and has begun light workouts under doctor's supervision and hasn't had contact yet.''

Either way, Allison knows he's headed for pay cut and a deal that will include a games played provision.

"It'll be a lower base then what he had, and as his performance goes, so will his compensation,'' said McBride. "The club will take some risk and he will take some risk. He knows he has to prove himself again.''

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I don't think he's the awnser. In this case we're looking for a guy who's stats are heavy in GP instead of PPG.

Now that being said, if Reasoner is healthy we could go York-Horc-Reasoner-Stoll and if we only get 60 games out of Allison then it wouldn't be the end of the world. Because I'm not really about Lowe spending all kinds of time or money on Nedved either.

But the Jason thing would ahve to be with a very very sensible base and we'd also have to be confident in the health of the 4 pivots above and right now Reasoner's career is in the air, Stoll's still pretty green and York looks like a lock to miss 20 games a season. And what are the options at pivot beyond Bisahi? Joe Cullen

Exactly
Well said Matts.

Ya know, if the Hockey Gods could promise MacTavish and Lowe (in writing ) that York, Horcoff, Reasoner and Stoll would stay healthy all year ... I think they'd be pretty happy to go with them. And rightly so IMO.

But the chances of those four staying healthy all year are pretty darn slim. Heck, it sounds as though it is possible that Reasoner may start the season on the IR. York has missed time both years, Horcoff played through a leg injury early and wasn't very effective during that time, and Stoll can't be looked at as more than a depth guy at this point in his career.

If Lowe could get the equivalent of another York, Reasoner or Horcoff ... the Oilers will be fine down the middle. This is going to be easier said than done, I don't think there are any affordable UFAs out there that fit the profile. So that leaves the trade-route. We'll see.

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