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12-07-2008, 02:41 PM
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A couple of things missing.

1. You need to include or Dubinsky or Staal. They're not going to take a bunch of ?'s.

2. Why would they want Redden's contract? They can get a similar deal to what you proposed from another team and they wouldn't have to take a big contract back.
I disagree that Dubi or Staal HAS to be included. If that is the case, take a pass.

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12-07-2008, 02:43 PM
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Redden has Atlanta as one of his three teams.
just curious where you got that from? From what i understand, redden doesnt have even a partial NTC, but Sather agreed to TRY to trade him to a team of his choosing.

i know what it says on that ottawa site about him having a NMC, but thats the first ive heard about it.

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Do teams like ATL even get close to their salary cap?
Edit:This a legitimate question. I'm not trying to be a ****** bag.
So what if they do or not. If they don't, it should be a reason for them to take bad contracts? They might as well use that money to offer a player like Hossa a lucrative contract.

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12-07-2008, 02:45 PM
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I disagree that Dubi or Staal HAS to be included. If that is the case, take a pass.
Then you're delusional and are one of the people on here that constantly make ridiculous trade proposals.

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So what if they do or not. If they don't, it should be a reason for them to take bad contracts? They might as well use that money to offer a player like Hossa a lucrative contract.
I live in atlanta.

trust me. big name players dont go to atlanta, they are traded there or drafted there.

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12-07-2008, 02:46 PM
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just curious where you got that from? From what i understand, redden doesnt have even a partial NTC, but Sather agreed to TRY to trade him to a team of his choosing.

i know what it says on that ottawa site about him having a NMC, but thats the first ive heard about it.
where did you hear that?

and Garrioch is an idiot, I don't believe anything he says.

to prove that:

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He is scheduled to make an average of $4 million on a contract that runs through the 2012-13 season, which could make him difficult to trade. LW Rostislav Olesz and C Brett McLean can be had for a draft pick
just like when he said there was no market for Forsberg (right before Nashville gave up the farm for him).

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I would trade Dubinsky only for about 10 players in the league. Kovalchuk is one of them. If the asking price for a player like Kovalchuk is something like Dubinsky, Sanguinetti, and a 1st, you have to pull the trigger.

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12-07-2008, 02:47 PM
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I live in atlanta.

trust me. big name players dont go to atlanta, they are traded there or drafted there.
Money talks and BS walks.

You keep offering the best deal and you eventually will get your guy. It might not happen every time but you'd occasionally get guys.

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12-07-2008, 02:48 PM
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just curious where you got that from? From what i understand, redden doesnt have even a partial NTC, but Sather agreed to TRY to trade him to a team of his choosing.

i know what it says on that ottawa site about him having a NMC, but thats the first ive heard about it.
He has a 3 team NMC I believe.

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It was after finding this out that Larry Brooks offered this tongue-in-cheek comment that went something along the lines of, "Atlanta was not on his list, so if Waddell wants to trade Kovalchuk, the Rangers won't be able to send Redden there for him."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...ause-disclosed

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12-07-2008, 02:49 PM
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I would trade Dubinsky only for about 10 players in the league. Kovalchuk is one of them. If the asking price for a player like Kovalchuk is something like Dubinsky, Sanguinetti, and a 1st, you have to pull the trigger.
Exactly.

The key point though is that we are trading at a position of strength. That's really important.

Having gomez, drury, kovalchuk, and Zherdev as 4 of the 6 spots on the top two lines is a step in the right direction to scoring goals.

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12-07-2008, 03:05 PM
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Wow, if we can get rid of Redden it would mean Christmas came early this year.

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12-07-2008, 03:07 PM
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Exactly.

The key point though is that we are trading at a position of strength. That's really important.

Having gomez, drury, kovalchuk, and Zherdev as 4 of the 6 spots on the top two lines is a step in the right direction to scoring goals.
Having TOm renney behind the bench is a drawback.

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12-07-2008, 03:22 PM
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IMO if either of the teo is traded it will be rozsival

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Trade whomever you have to trade for Kovalchuk, preferably including Dawes, Prucha, Rozi, Redden.

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12-07-2008, 03:36 PM
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I'm not sure how you trade either unless you're getting back a defenseman who logs heavy ice time. I guess someone like Bouwmeester makes sense under such a scenario.

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12-07-2008, 03:40 PM
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I'm not sure how you trade either unless you're getting back a defenseman who logs heavy ice time. I guess someone like Bouwmeester makes sense under such a scenario.
why's that? Staal has shown he can play 20+ minutes per game. Staal is a top pairing dman that can log a lot of minutes. Id rather wait for bouwmeester for this summer.

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Redden + Ansimov + Sangunetti + Prucha + 1st for Kovalchuk

Make it happen.
Probably would have to be Rosie and Dubi instead of Redden and Anisimov. Would you still do it?

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I wouldn't trade Staal.

Some people insist he's overrated, but they have to remember that he made the jump from juniors straight into the NHL. He's still extremely young, yet his play has been at least as good as that of our other defenseman. I think in 2-3 years he's going to be an elite defenseman.

Not that I would want to either, but I'd trade Dubinsky before him.

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Pretty obvious that Rozsival and Redden are out, Kovalchuk and Bouwmeester are in.

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12-07-2008, 04:03 PM
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I posted this two weeks ago and I stand by it:

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Here's my proposal:

Atlanta gets
-Rozsival (primarily to make the $$$ work, but hopefully he moves forward from yesterday's improved performance to be a desirable player once again)
-Korpikoski (yeah, I know, I like him too, but ya gotta give to get)
-Dawes (makes the money work almost exactly and, although he's been disappointing for the first few games he's played this year - on a very short leash, it should be noted - he's shown enough in the past that he has the potential to develop into a 30 goal scorer)
-Sanguinetti (you need to include a big-time prospect)
-1st rounder 2009

Rangers get
-Kovalchuk

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12-07-2008, 04:04 PM
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Redden + Ansimov + Sangunetti + Prucha + 1st for Kovalchuk

Make it happen.
Why would Atlanta do that, take on a terible contract on a player that stinks, a player who has played like 3 games, a minor leaguer, and a players nobody knows will make it. Throw in Henrik and maybe Atlanta will talk to you!

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I can't see another team being dumb enough to save us from Redden's contract. It isn't like the guy is coming off a good year. His game has declined each of the past two seasons. Which makes the contract we gave him even more mind boggling.

I said this 2 weeks ago and i still feel this way.....we have three D-men making 4 mill combined playing like top pairing d-men (Staal, Girardi, Mara), and three d-men making 14 mill total (Redden,Rozy, Kalinin) playing like bottom pairing D-Men. Horrendous cap management. The way Girardi and Staal have developed, combined with Mara finding his game and his genitals this year and it is hard to defend paying Redden and Rozy what we are paying them to play like bottom pairing D-Men.

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Money talks and BS walks.

You keep offering the best deal and you eventually will get your guy. It might not happen every time but you'd occasionally get guys.
Tell that to Edmonton.

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It's most likely Rozi and for what we need it will take a lot more with him to gain anything back.

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I can't see another team being dumb enough to save us from Redden's contract. It isn't like the guy is coming off a good year. His game has declined each of the past two seasons. Which makes the contract we gave him even more mind boggling.

I said this 2 weeks ago and i still feel this way.....we have three D-men making 4 mill combined playing like top pairing d-men (Staal, Girardi, Mara), and three d-men making 14 mill total (Redden,Rozy, Kalinin) playing like bottom pairing D-Men. Horrendous cap management. The way Girardi and Staal have developed, combined with Mara finding his game and his genitals this year and it is hard to defend paying Redden and Rozy what we are paying them to play like bottom pairing D-Men.
If we can package him up with a great prospect/current player, then why wouldn't a team take a chance? The guy isn't horrible, just his contract handicaps us and I rather see us have mobility down into the future when signing our own RFAS and picking up UFAs who are game changers.

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