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12-07-2008, 10:36 AM
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OT: Sundin (UPDATE: signs w/Vancouver)

- The Flyers are looking to dump salary and might consider moving winger Joffrey Lupul.
SPECTOR'S NOTE: Possibly but I think a better trade candidate could be Mike Knuble, who's a UFA next summer.
http://www.spectorshockey.net/index....cles&Itemid=55

- Mats Sundin's agent has indicated his client will make a decision by December 15th as to his future. Garrioch suggests the "Rangers, Canucks, Blackhawks, Flyers and Habs" are the front-runners.
SPECTOR'S NOTE: Of those five, only the Canucks have the cap space to afford him.
http://www.spectorshockey.net/index....cles&Itemid=55


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12-07-2008, 10:48 AM
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eugh, i dunno if sundin is what this team needs. though another veteran leader might not be a bad thing.

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Don't see how we can afford Sundin. And at this rate, even with Lupul's youth compared to Knuble, I would certainly rather drop him and his contract. Knuble has been earning his money this year.

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12-07-2008, 10:57 AM
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eugh, i dunno if sundin is what this team needs. though another veteran leader might not be a bad thing.
If Flyers have a chance to sign Sundin I say go for it.

Jones, Knuble and Lupul on trading block? Ok, fine by me. Get some picks and a cheap RW and sign Sundin.
I would even try Giroux for a few games on Richards or Sundin lines.


Gagne Richards not sure.
Upshall Carter Nodl
Hartnell Sundin Briere
Cote Metro Asham

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Kukkonen

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Chances of that are very slim but I would love to see it.

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If Flyers have a chance to sign Sundin I say go for it.

Jones, Knuble and Lupul on trading block? Ok, fine by me. Get some picks and a cheap RW and sign Sundin.
I would even try Giroux for a few games on Richards or Sundin lines.


Gagne Richards not sure.
Upshall Carter Nodl
Hartnell Sundin Briere
Cote Metro Asham

Timonen Vaananen
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Alberts Parent
Kukkonen

Sbisa sent back?

Chances of that are very slim but I would love to see it.
That's a vicious lineup. Yikes.

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Sundin is a waste of money at this point.

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anyone else really tired of this. the team is playing great, so rumors start. I like the team the way it is. Im possitive Homer is not worried about the cap, even for next year, and Snider is not worried about money so why is everyone else. FYI Lupuls 4 mil contract doesnt kick in til next year so he's only 2.3 mil. If Homer wanted to trade lupul he wouldnt have signed him to a long term contract. 8 goals and 5 assists while playing on a line with metro half the year is good. STOP THE LUPUL TRADE RUMORS!


If it is only about money heres the order of guys the flyers get rid of to cut space.
1. Metro 1 million
2. Knuble 2.8 mil

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I would have loved Sundin at the beginning of the season IF he'd been in shape through summer and if he'd been in training camp. At this point in the season, how long will it take him to really get into game shape? We would need someone to step in at full speed now.

He's going to have SO much pressure on him wherever he goes and I think he's at risk of getting injured from trying too hard.

I'm all for moving Lupul if we find a buyer.

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Moving Lupul is still the most sensible option, but it's to clear cap space for reasons other than Sundin.

Even though Garrioch is full of **** most days, this same information was on tsn.ca the other day...for what it's worth.

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Am I the only one who doesn't want Sundin here? I think we'll pay more for him than he will be worth to us not to mention that we already have THREE centers which could play their position on the first line almost anywhere in the league. I'm already feeling awkward that Carter is more or less our third line center with the amazing run he has. Sundin is without a doubt also not a third line-center.

I don't see Sunding fit the Flyers or fit into the Flyers. I just don't see a team with four first-line centers but without a first line right-wing if it should come to trading Knuble AND Lupul.

As for the trades: Lupul is probably fine. I thought he'd be traded sometime during this season and it is reasonable. His salary is increasing and although I think he isn't getting a fair shake he'd be the number one guy on the team that has value on the market and that the management would be willing to trade.

I don't see Knuble though. He's doing fine and there has already been talks between Holmgren and Knuble about him getting re-signed. He'd also have significant less market value than Lupul and we would dump less salary on long term if we would trade Knuble than Lupul. Knuble being mentioned in that article is simply speculation from the author of the article.

Not to mention the scenario I already groaned about that would happen if we were to trade both. It's a hole that has become apparent when we realized in the training camp that Giroux is not yet NHL ready: We are for now without a top-line right wing for the immediate future (next season).

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Mats Sundin's agent has indicated his client will make a decision by December 15th as to his future. Garrioch suggests the "Rangers, Canucks, Blackhawks, Flyers and Habs" are the front-runners
For what it's worth, last night during Hotstove Pierre LeBrun's list of teams did not include the Flyers.


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I'm over Mats Sundin

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I don't want him. I mean, I love the guy as a hockey player, but this team doesn't need him enough for it to be worth the money/effort.

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12-07-2008, 01:46 PM
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Sundin is a waste of money at this point.
and why is that?

He is excellent 5 on 5. PK or PP and he is motivated to win.

Flyers do not need to trade for a player like that.


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At the age of 37 and now, out of game shape. All it takes is one big hit to make Sundin go LR. That's a waste or money IMO.

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At the age of 37 and now, out of game shape. All it takes is one big hit to make Sundin go LR. That's a waste or money IMO.
Sundin was never injury prone player.

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When your a Philadelphia fan, every player is at risk for injury

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When your a Philadelphia fan, every player is at risk for injury
O my god, I did not realize that you were trying to be sarcastic.

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moving knuble is a mistake. the man is a stabilizing force in the locker room and he does his job well, for relatively cheap. moving lupul is fine, i don't want knuble gone.

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moving knuble is a mistake. the man is a stabilizing force in the locker room and he does his job well, for relatively cheap. moving lupul is fine, i don't want knuble gone.
I agree. I think Knuble brings stuff to this team that can't be replaced. Not only is he a valuable veteran presence on a that really doesn't have any real tenured guys outside of Kimmo, Vaananen, and Metro, but his work in front of and around the net is amongst the best in the league.

I wouldn't mind moving Lupul if they signed someone else just because I really don't think he's worth 4.25 per year. With that being said if we did trade Lupul it would mean we'd pretty much have to move Briere to wing once he gets back because after Gagne, Lupul is far and away our second most skilled forward in terms of pure talent and trading him would leave the wing position very short on skill.

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Personally, I think move Lupul after the season for a pick.

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Personally, I think move Lupul after the season for a pick.
or maybe at the draft/trade deadline when people are looking for scorers. i'd love to get another 1st rounder at this draft (i know, pipe dream that lupul gets a 1st). look what happened the last time we had 2 firsts in a deep draft

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Personally, I think move Lupul after the season for a pick.
Depends, definitely worth looking at if he's not gone by the trade deadline. If he can get out of this slump that he seems to be in, then he'd be worth keeping around, otherwise, he's a waste of money, trade him for what you can get.

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