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12-08-2008, 05:12 AM
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They will all line up to relieve us of our overpriced aging signings to give us their good value young players full of promise

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12-08-2008, 06:52 AM
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I posted this two weeks ago and I stand by it:Here's my proposal:

Atlanta gets
-Rozsival (primarily to make the $$$ work, but hopefully he moves forward from yesterday's improved performance to be a desirable player once again)
-Korpikoski (yeah, I know, I like him too, but ya gotta give to get)
-Dawes (makes the money work almost exactly and, although he's been disappointing for the first few games he's played this year - on a very short leash, it should be noted - he's shown enough in the past that he has the potential to develop into a 30 goal scorer)
-Sanguinetti (you need to include a big-time prospect)
-1st rounder 2009

Rangers get
-Kovalchuk
I do this in a heartbeat. Is it enough from Atlanta's perspective? I see them asking for Dubinsky in place of Dawes.


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12-08-2008, 07:38 AM
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You don't want Redden because his contract hamstrings you and his play doesn't justify the money he is being paid yet you think someone else would take him???

The Redden signing was mind boggling from day one and only seems more so with each passing day.

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12-08-2008, 08:26 AM
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Why would Atlanta do that, take on a terible contract on a player that stinks, a player who has played like 3 games, a minor leaguer, and a players nobody knows will make it. Throw in Henrik and maybe Atlanta will talk to you!
Why would columbus want tyutin and backman for zherdev and fristche???

I know zherdev is no kovalchuk but never say that it wont happen because none of us know any given day what a GM will do

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12-08-2008, 08:56 AM
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Out of the two I rather still have Redden than Rozsival

I am cool with moving Rozi for a cheaper Dman and then using the rest to sign Sundin

not to mention they may as well just move Prucha out already....

I think their is a market for Rozi even though everyone says he is over paid

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12-08-2008, 09:01 AM
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You don't want Redden because his contract hamstrings you and his play doesn't justify the money he is being paid yet you think someone else would take him???

The Redden signing was mind boggling from day one and only seems more so with each passing day.
I don't think it was at all.......Redden makes sense as he honestly is a very patient puck moving Defensmen........the problem was they needed a winger for Gomez and by Signing Rozi as well that tied up tons of cash

Now they look to deal Rozi and get that forward back.........

If Sundin is the guy then its going to be interesting for sure...........what would the lines be?.........

I say they go balls to the walls and make a HUGE deal

Package Rozi, Prucha, Dawes for a back end Dman and good forward

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12-08-2008, 09:56 AM
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redden for kaberle

rosi for someone else....

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12-08-2008, 09:58 AM
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redden for kaberle

rosi for someone else....
i wish...Who knows. Maybe Burke gets a little itchy and decides he wants his "Niedermeyer"

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12-08-2008, 10:04 AM
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If you don't want to give us Kovalchuk for a reasonable deal, we'll just sign him in 2 years and watch your team get nothing.
Providing Sather doesn't bury the team in more bad contracts, you mean. Always a risky proposition.

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12-08-2008, 10:16 AM
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Providing Sather doesn't bury the team in more bad contracts, you mean. Always a risky proposition.
For what 10 mil a year that hes gonna command if he hits the free-agent market and leave us with 400$ in cap space?

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12-08-2008, 10:16 AM
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redden for kaberle

rosi for someone else....
serious with this proposal?
Kaberle has atleast two times higher trade value than Redden.
Better player, better contract.

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12-08-2008, 10:19 AM
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They are both brutal and I would love to see both go, but I'd rather Redden gone. His contract is just as brutal as his play on the ice.

But in reality, no one would take him...so let's stop dreaming.

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12-08-2008, 10:21 AM
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Yeah, we're stuck with Redden forever guys. Seems that Rosi is a more feasible trading option, but I don't think we get someone like Kovalchuck for him. Knowing our management, we'll probably swing him for someone like Cheechoo.

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serious with this proposal?
Kaberle has atleast two times higher trade value than Redden.
Better player, better contract.
yes i am serious.....and i don't know how high his value really is considering he is in wilsons dog house on a bottom 4 team in the east

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12-08-2008, 10:25 AM
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I posted this two weeks ago and I stand by it:

Atlanta gets
-Rozsival (primarily to make the $$$ work, but hopefully he moves forward from yesterday's improved performance to be a desirable player once again)
-Korpikoski (yeah, I know, I like him too, but ya gotta give to get)
-Dawes (makes the money work almost exactly and, although he's been disappointing for the first few games he's played this year - on a very short leash, it should be noted - he's shown enough in the past that he has the potential to develop into a 30 goal scorer)
-Sanguinetti (you need to include a big-time prospect)
-1st rounder 2009

Rangers get
-Kovalchuk
I would say your proposal is the fairest I've seen. I'm in. All this talk about having a solid top 6 with Gomer, Drury, Z, and Kovy.... What about poor old Naslund. Markus has been a real surprise for me and I don't think he gets enough credit.

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12-08-2008, 10:31 AM
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Trade either Redden or Rosival and the team will wake up. Make a point that no one is safe. Ilya Freakin Kovalchuk would be a dream come true and I would def get a tingly sensation in my pants.

Besides Z and Kovy on the same line would be insanity. That and he Instantly improves our PP.


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Yeah, we're stuck with Redden forever guys. Seems that Rosi is a more feasible trading option, but I don't think we get someone like Kovalchuck for him. Knowing our management, we'll probably swing him for someone like Cheechoo.
Seriously. I don't see any team touching Redden, not with that contract.

I do think we have the pieces to deal for Kovalchuk though.

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12-08-2008, 11:38 AM
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Seriously. I don't see any team touching Redden, not with that contract.

I do think we have the pieces to deal for Kovalchuk though.
we def have the right pieces to get kovalchuk....dont know if we are willing to use the right pieces

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12-08-2008, 11:59 AM
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I think if one goes, it'll be Rosy. He has an easier contract to move, no NMC that I knwo of, and despite all his miscues he has a package of skills that is highly sought-after in today's NHL. The only question becomes whether another team will bite on the hope that his gaffe's are due to over-exposure in NY and a byproduct of the increasing level of abuse he takes from the fans. He might do better in a low-pressure market (no Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, etc).

I'm definitely not surprised that they are being shopped though. We have too much invested in two d-men who are playing well below their potential.

As for who eats the minutes, you try to get back a serviceable d-man and/or utilize Potter/Fahey.

Staal can eat up monster minutes. He was playing 45 minutes a game in Jrs at one point. I doubt he could maintain that in the NHL, but he played 30 min the other night if I remember correctly so it's possible. His style of play doesn't expend a ton of energy so it's possible.

So what you can do is trade Rosy, keep Redden. Play Redden/Staal as the top unit. I could live with that pairing and we hope Redden steps his game up because they'd be eating up a lot of minutes. Girardi/Mara would be a decent 2nd pair, and then you throw Kalinin/Potter out there but minimize their minutes and try to keep them away from the other teams top line.

Its not perfect, but neither is our current defensive unit. And of course, this all hinges on the hope that trading Rosy allows us to bring in some sort of scoring winger, either through the trade or by signing Shanny if needed.

Our offense is our worst enemy right now because even when we do play a solid defensive game we still can't open up offensively. If we scored some goals there wouldn't be so much pressure on the defense.

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12-08-2008, 12:00 PM
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And as for Kovalchuk, IMO the only untouchables right now are Staal and Lundqvist. Losing Dubi would hurt a lot but Kovy is the type of player who can turn a team around. Put him with Gomez and you might see some magic.

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12-08-2008, 12:06 PM
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This coach has gotten us where he could.

As Nik Z said, "Next Level"

To get to the next level we need a different coach.

Can we trade Rosi or REdden for a coach?

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12-08-2008, 12:07 PM
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Instead of trading one of our young stars, do you think Atlanta would want Gomez?

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12-08-2008, 12:10 PM
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As bad as Redden has been, I don't see how the Rangers could trade a UFA they signed to a big contract in the offseason in the first year of the deal. It would probably dissuade other UFAs from signing in the future. They sign thinking they're going to be a big part of the core in the future and then get dealt three months into the contract? Not good business. And this is with the understanding that the Rangers are one of the biggest markets in the NHL.

Roszival is a little bit different because he played for the Rangers in the past.

In terms of leveraging one of the two into an offer for Kovalchuk, I agree with what's been said here: it would have to be Roszival, and he wouldn't really be a big part of the trade. They would want some of your top prospects.

And as for getting Bouwmeester, I don't think a "rebuilding" team like the Panthers would like two thirty-something defensemen who are already in decline leading their back line.

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12-08-2008, 12:14 PM
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This coach has gotten us where he could.

As Nik Z said, "Next Level"

To get to the next level we need a different coach.

Can we trade Rosi or REdden for a coach?
Redden to Buffalo for Lindy Ruff

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12-08-2008, 12:17 PM
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Meh not a big Ruff fan. He always bugs me.

Torts is still available though... talk about a change from Renney.

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