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12-07-2008, 10:10 AM
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Assumtion on Flyer forwards.. am I totally wrong?

Watched a fee games and viewed the stats, and this is my impression: correct me if I'm wrong:

Seems to me that 3 stars (Gagne, Richards, Carter) are doing very well and the rest are sitting back a bit and leaving it all up to that trio. (xcept for KNUBLE who is performing as expected... I like Knuble, cheap contract very reliable)

Seems to me that Flyers this year have lost some of last year's 'balance'.

Briere is injured a lot, but leaving aside him: I am focussing on the performance specifically of LUPUL and HARTNELL.

Are LUPUL and HARTNELL disappointments this year?

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12-07-2008, 10:11 AM
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Watched a fee games and viewed the stats, and this is my impression: correct me if I'm wrong:

Seems to me that 3 stars (Gagne, Richards, Carter) are doing very well and the rest are sitting back a bit and leaving it all up to that trio. (xcept for KNUBLE who is performing as expected... I like Knuble, cheap contract very reliable)

Seems to me that Flyers this year have lost some of last year's 'balance'.

Briere is injured a lot, but leaving aside him: I am focussing on the performance specifically of LUPUL and HARTNELL.

Are LUPUL and HARTNELL disappointments this year?
you are totally wrong on the spelling of assumption.

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We have 6 players on pace for 20+ goals, and assuming Briere plays enough games he'll certainly get there, too.

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12-07-2008, 10:20 AM
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No I think he's probably right. It's a big hit not to have gagne or your team. It was as emotional not having gagne last year as it was when we didn't have forsberg. The team had to work hard and rally for the missing top goal scorer.

Briere's been missing for most of this year and there hasn't been the same type of rallying. I attribute it to the fact we don't need it so desperately. We're doing pretty good and not coming off a bad year this time.

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12-07-2008, 10:23 AM
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Moving from a 3 line team to a 2 line team (due to the loss of Briere - I don't think Metro can create the same production Briere can as a center) hurts and even if production isn't always there, the players themselves are doing fine (as long as no one starts throwing gloves).

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No I think he's probably right. It's a big hit not to have gagne or your team. It was as emotional not having gagne last year as it was when we didn't have forsberg. The team had to work hard and rally for the missing top goal scorer.

Briere's been missing for most of this year and there hasn't been the same type of rallying. I attribute it to the fact we don't need it so desperately. We're doing pretty good and not coming off a bad year this time.
Briere has only been in the lineup for two of this teams wins, and only played 10:39, and 7:41 in those games.

With Briere: 2-4-3
Without Briere: 11-3-3

I think the rallying theory is weak regardless, as they need to go out and play with who they got. But it's pretty much impossible they haven't "rallied" without Briere this year.

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12-07-2008, 10:37 AM
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But it's pretty much impossible they haven't "rallied" without Briere this year.
We're in agreement. I meant they haven't rallied specifically because of danny's being out. I think last year, long term, that definitely weighed on their minds. It was a forsberg effect where gags kept almost coming back.

Put another way, I guess, they're not dependent on danny this year at all, because as the OP indirectly mentioned, they don't need to be.

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12-07-2008, 10:41 AM
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I think Hartnell picked up his game and plays well especially after he threw his glove. He skates well, he is physical but scoring is not there.

Lupul is a bit of a floater. Plays every other game.

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12-07-2008, 05:04 PM
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hartnell's game has been very good for most of the season. i remember reading up that he was one of the leaders in scoring chances--they'll start going in for him. hartnell also brings a lot else to the table when he isn't scoring...

lupul needs to be scoring to be an "effective" player.

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Watched a fee games and viewed the stats, and this is my impression: correct me if I'm wrong:

Seems to me that 3 stars (Gagne, Richards, Carter) are doing very well and the rest are sitting back a bit and leaving it all up to that trio. (xcept for KNUBLE who is performing as expected... I like Knuble, cheap contract very reliable)

Seems to me that Flyers this year have lost some of last year's 'balance'.

Briere is injured a lot, but leaving aside him: I am focussing on the performance specifically of LUPUL and HARTNELL.

Are LUPUL and HARTNELL disappointments this year?
What game did you watch? If it was one of the last two, the sitting back aspect was blatantly obvious, but that's out of the norm of the team.

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12-08-2008, 02:07 PM
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I think Hartnell has had a fairly decent season. He gets noticed most games, but just is not scoring. Lupul has disappeared!

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I'd really like to see the Lupul we briefly witnessed last year. He was throwing his body around some, and scoring timely goals.

Honestly, at this point, if he can't bring multiple things to the table...I'd rather he just become a complete cherry picker and net some goals.

He's always been streaky though, so i'm just waiting for it.

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I think Lupul's playing scared this year. It's eerily similar to what happened with Umberger. Umberger had the good rookie season, was rocked by Brian Campbell in the playoffs and then his play in the next season really tallied off. Yes, the entire team was terrible in Umberger's second season, but none the less, you could tell he was playing scared after that hit. Same with Lupul. After getting rocked by that big useless oaf who's on injured reserve, Lupul was never the same player. He's been playing guarded and reserved.

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Hartnell couldn't get onto the scoring sheet at the beginning of last season either. I remember it took him forever to get his first goal. He provides a lot of hard work and stuff that doesn't show up on the board, but once he gets it going he can put up points too.

Lupul seems to live for streaks. Two or three big hot streaks and he'll be a 25 goal guy.

Can't really say we'd be more balanced if Briere wasn't injured because Gagne was injured last year.

So unless Umberger happened to be the key to a balanced offense (doubtful), I think things will balance out at the end of the year. That is unless Richards, Carter, and Gagne keep it up at the pace they are going in which case no it won't be balanced because they will be having 3 fantastic seasons.

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12-09-2008, 07:50 AM
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So unless Umberger happened to be the key to a balanced offense (doubtful), I think things will balance out at the end of the year. .

Dont forget Prospal. I aso think Upshall scored more last year than he will this year.

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I find the Hartnell criticism puzzling. He did start slow, and got benched, but he's picked his game up in response and played very well of late. He's on Carter's line, and does the dirty work to get him the puck. Carter can't be playing well without Hartnell playing well.

Lupul was demoted/punished at the same time as Hartnell. As stated before, he tends to just come and go. Part of his problem is not having linemates that he 'clicks' with.

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