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12-09-2008, 02:34 PM
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OT: Marty St. Louis anyone?

According to one source close to some Tampa players, things have gotten to the point where this team may just be completely revamped again and that mainstay forward Marty St. Louis may very well be open to waiving his no-trade clause if team management approached him on the subject.

“Marty and the guys that have been here are not happy anymore,” said the source.

“There’s going to be a lot of movement there and I wouldn’t be surprised if Marty agreed to be moved out of there or even approached them soon. It’s just a real bad atmosphere and not something the veterans there have been used to. He would give them a list of teams and yeah he could be moved before the season’s over.”

http://insidehockey.com/columns/2512

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“Marty and the guys that have been here are not happy anymore,” said the source.



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Oh no, not another small winger, its Vinny we need.

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Really??..Things aren't looking that good in TB??..Who would have thought..I was sold on them going far after they signed Recchi and Roberts.

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Oh no, not another small winger, its Vinny we need.
Not with that contract, he isn't.

As for Marty, he's be an asset to any team. I just don't know that it makes sense for the Habs to add a winger at this point.

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Not with that contract, he isn't.
Cap hit of $7.7M, deal!

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He is to small, he'll never make it!

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Not with that contract, he isn't.
Yes he is... it's a great contract for a great player...

But, I've had enough of the Lecavalier proposals... he turned his back to the habs when he signed that contract... it's time for the fans to turn their back to him.

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Not with that contract, he isn't.

As for Marty, he's be an asset to any team. I just don't know that it makes sense for the Habs to add a winger at this point.
By mid-season, it could be do-able. Now if you are talking about the size of the contract, consider its only a 7,7 cap hit, and that if he retires before the end of the contract, the cap hit won't count on the Habs' cap. Consider also, that this cap hit is very close to what the Habs were ready to give Brière. In Danielle's case, it wasn't worth it, but in Vinny's case, are you telling me a 7,7 cap hit isn't worth it for a franchise big center? Even if it is 11 seasons, this is no ordinary player, and he's only 28, which means his contract would end when he'll be 40... Lang is 37, gonna be 38 soon.

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I'd take St. Louis or Lecavalier. Either would be a lock for 80+ pts on this team.

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yeah , why not but at what cost?


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i don't think he fills a need on our team AT ALL.

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i don't think he fills a need on our team AT ALL.
Power play?

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No way..he's a good player don't get me wrong....he would improve the team for sure....but not improve it enough for the money.

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By mid-season, it could be do-able. Now if you are talking about the size of the contract, consider its only a 7,7 cap hit, and that if he retires before the end of the contract, the cap hit won't count on the Habs' cap. Consider also, that this cap hit is very close to what the Habs were ready to give Brière. In Danielle's case, it wasn't worth it, but in Vinny's case, are you telling me a 7,7 cap hit isn't worth it for a franchise big center?
Vinnie is a very good scorer, but he's not the superman he's made out to be. Until this season, he has always been sheltered, with Richards playing against tough opposition and taking d-zone draws. Even so, he still gives up way too much defensively. If I'm paying 7.7mil for one forward, I want that player to be able to dominate possession like Thornton, Iginla and Zetterburg, as well as put the puck in the net. Lecavalier is just not at that level. His size doesn't matter to me, if he doesn't use it to win puck battles all over the ice.

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Even if it is 11 seasons, this is no ordinary player, and he's only 28, which means his contract would end when he'll be 40... Lang is 37, gonna be 38 soon.
Would being an extraordinary player make Lecavalier impervious to injury or decline? Lindros and Bure were extraordinary players. Yashin was no ordinary player when he signed his big contract. It's just not a safe bet to sign any player for that long, IMO, no matter who the player is.

As for Lang: assuming he stays healthy, do you think Vinnie will be able to reinvent himself as a defensive specialist the way Lang has, when he's no longer able to score like he once could? I see no indications that he will.

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Power play?
our problem isn't a lack of wingers.. AFAIK he doesn't play the point either.

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Honestly, I think Vinny will be traded.

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Honestly, I think Vinny will be traded.
ya, to make way for Stamkos to light up the league.

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Vinnie is a very good scorer, but he's not the superman he's made out to be. Until this season, he has always been sheltered, with Richards playing against tough opposition and taking d-zone draws. Even so, he still gives up way too much defensively. If I'm paying 7.7mil for one forward, I want that player to be able to dominate possession like Thornton, Iginla and Zetterburg, as well as put the puck in the net. Lecavalier is just not at that level. His size doesn't matter to me, if he doesn't use it to win puck battles all over the ice.



Would being an extraordinary player make Lecavalier impervious to injury or decline? Lindros and Bure were extraordinary players. Yashin was no ordinary player when he signed his big contract. It's just not a safe bet to sign any player for that long, IMO, no matter who the player is.

As for Lang: assuming he stays healthy, do you think Vinnie will be able to reinvent himself as a defensive specialist the way Lang has, when he's no longer able to score like he once could? I see no indications that he will.
You do realize he's playing injured, right? And also, wouldn't he be "sheltered" here too, with all our offensive wingers and Koivu? Also, the players you mention will probably be all close to 10m$ per year on their next contract, we're talking about 7,7 here, not 10 mil.

Oh and Lindros and Bure are exceptions. One had way too many concussions, already had many at the age Vinny is, and Vinny, if i remember correctly, never got one yet. Bure was a speedy player who completely destroyed his knees because he was careless. Why don't you talk of players similar to Vinny instead, like Sundin. Most players nowadays are well able to play until 40, especially big players who haven't had too many concussions. Modano, Sundin, Lang, and many others. That argument is lame. If he retires beforehand, he doesn't count against the cap because he signed before he was 35. If he retires because of an injury, his salary is insured. Find better arguments. That contract is just fine as it is, you are grasping at extremely minor possibilities of injury or careers stopped short, yet those have fail safes concerning money and the cap. And then you name one hell of a chocker who wouldn't even be named in the same sentence as Lecavalier. Yashin was always invisible in the playoffs, while Lecavalier won the cup and has always put up point in the playoffs. Your examples are very weak and fringe.

Also, the Lang, reinventing himself defensively... come on, you're still picking a bad point of comparison. I mention Lang, Modano and Sundin to prove players play old now, and then you pick the one making less point, the one with the least comparable talent. BTW, at that age, Vinny will have 3 years remaining on his contract, at 4m$, 1,5m$, and 1m$... for a total of 6,5... buyback that contract over 6 years (each contract year on buyback can be spanned on two years)... and its only 1 mil on the cap.


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Chicago should pick him up in exchange for Havlat or Khabibulin since he just like Vinny loves it there

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Im not surprised at all, as long as his contract only runs another year, no matter the cost, i would suspect that the canucks would be very interested, and realistically I dont think he would cost an arm and a leg because there may only be one or two teams that can realistically fit him into their pay roll with the cap supposedly coming down next year

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