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12-09-2008, 05:51 PM
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Komisarek is not worth 1 000 000$ more per season than Orpik or Commodore!

21 000 000$ for 5 years is plenty for Komi.

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12-09-2008, 06:09 PM
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Komisarek is not worth 1 000 000$ more per season than Orpik or Commodore!

21 000 000$ for 5 years is plenty for Komi.
In your world maybe.. The reality is different though..

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12-09-2008, 06:14 PM
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I'd probably trade Harmlik too if we did sign Bouwmeester. Basically, we're upgrading over Hamrlik and we're getting our replacement for Markov once he's not a No1 Dman anymore. What do you guys reckon Harmlik would fetch on draft day ?

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12-09-2008, 06:18 PM
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Hamrlik hasn't looked himself this year. I would ditch him if we can upgrade.

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12-09-2008, 06:19 PM
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In your world maybe.. The reality is different though..
Do you mind backing that up ? I don't belive Komo will get 5mil/year neither so I'm really interested to know how a shutdown Dman will get that kind of money when points usually dictate the value of your contract. I know that kind of players are extremely valuable but they don't often get offered big contracts ( ex: volchenkov, mitchell and Orpik).

EDIT: And I'm pretty sure Gainey will sign him to a very reasonable contract just as he did with Akost and Markov.

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12-09-2008, 06:34 PM
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Hamrlik hasn't looked himself this year. I would ditch him if we can upgrade.
I think he's been fine if anything negative should be said. And not to make excuses but he has'nt played with a stellar defenceman to say the least this year either...not always easy for him.

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12-09-2008, 07:15 PM
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Do you mind backing that up ? I don't belive Komo will get 5mil/year neither so I'm really interested to know how a shutdown Dman will get that kind of money when points usually dictate the value of your contract. I know that kind of players are extremely valuable but they don't often get offered big contracts ( ex: volchenkov, mitchell and Orpik).

EDIT: And I'm pretty sure Gainey will sign him to a very reasonable contract just as he did with Akost and Markov.
Stevens Hatcher..

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12-09-2008, 07:57 PM
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Well, it all depends on the contract we give Komisarek. He CANNOT make the same as Markov, so I'd expect <= 5.5M. However, if Lang, Kovy, Dandenault, Kostopoulos, Brisebois, Begin and Bouillon are let go as I think they will, that gives us a ton of money to play with (15.528M in fact). Plus, Hamrlik will only have two years left on his contract.


I can just imagine:

Markov-Komisarek
Bouwmeester-Hamrlik
Gorges-Carle/Weber/McDonagh/O'Byrne/Emelin/Subban/Fisher


For one season, then we get rid of Hamrlik and replace him with our top young D-man. I'd envision something like this in two years:

Markov-Komisarek
Bouwmeester-McDonagh
Gorges/Emelin/O'Byrne-Weber/Carle/Subban/Fisher

The reason you'd want to get rid of Hamrlik is due to the fact that Carey Price will be an RFA in summer '10. At this point, Markov will only have one year left on his contract as well.

Anyways, lots of extrapolating, but hey, it's fun.
and people think were in trouble next summer, I think Bob will get to buld his team more to his image next summer, lets hope more fish bite this summer.

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12-09-2008, 08:45 PM
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Stevens Hatcher..
Scott Stevens was much better and muh muh usefull to his team than Komisarek.

Kevin Hatcher had 12 consecutives seasons of 10+ goals including one of 24 and one of 34 goals.Hatcher was also a physical d-men.I would say that he was superior to Komisarek.

Derian Hatcher was also superior to Komisarek, he was one of the reason why the Stars won the Stanley Cup.

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12-09-2008, 10:11 PM
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Denni Seidenberg anyone?
Greg Zannon? nevermind the big contract guys. these guys can play and will come at much cheaper prices. Seidenberg has been the man in Carolina this year, PP QB and still fairly young, not to mention hes got quite the clapper as well. Zannon solid defensive dman, can play top4 or bottom 2, just solid.

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12-09-2008, 10:15 PM
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Stevens Hatcher..
To which I'll answer, those guys were all-stars( Scott Stevens at least and Derian, because I'm pretty sure you're not comparing Komo to Kevin, was a 2nd team all-star once) and good No1 Dmen which Komo is not. Scott Stevens was also a good offensive Dman when he was young and only became a defensive specialist in New Jersey. He however won the Conn Smythe while he was there. Until Komo shows he can have the same impact as these guys, he sure as hell won't be getting star money.


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12-09-2008, 10:25 PM
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I can't wait for Subban. I hear about Weber, Mcdonough, Emelin... but Subban is going to be something special. He skates like the wind, he's solid, he plays with emotion, he absolutely loves the Canadiens, he's going to be a leader and he literally said he would bleed for the Canadiens.

"If given the chance, I'll bleed and sweat for the habs"
It takes players like him to make it in the playoffs, and I can't wait to see him suit up for the Habs.

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12-10-2008, 12:07 AM
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Scott Stevens was much better and muh muh usefull to his team than Komisarek.

Kevin Hatcher had 12 consecutives seasons of 10+ goals including one of 24 and one of 34 goals.Hatcher was also a physical d-men.I would say that he was superior to Komisarek.

Derian Hatcher was also superior to Komisarek, he was one of the reason why the Stars won the Stanley Cup.
Komisarek is a way better skater D.Hatcher was, there is no comparison, he is also better defensively than Hatcher was..

The Scott Stevens I knew (Im 28 years old), the one of the last 10 years or so was a defensive specialist, a physical prensence in the defensive zone and a brutal open ice hitter, when Im comparing Komisarek to Stevens, Im comparing him to the Stevens I saw him play, and while Komi isnt an open ice hitter, he still is an intimidating physical presence on the ice, he is that kind of guy taking care of the defensive zone as if it was his own territory, a bit like Scott Stevens and guys like Hatcher, Adam Foote at their best.. The difference is that both Hatcher and Foote are below average skaters and dont have the mobility Komi has, Im wondering about what kind of carreer they would have had in this new league with those new rules, no more holding and all.. Huge guys skating that well are rare in the NHL, thats what make Komi so valuable for a team, his mobility gives him the opportunity to punish his opponents physically almost as much as he wants, thats why I prefer comparing him to Scott Stevens rather than guys like Hatcher and Foote..

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12-10-2008, 12:10 AM
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I can't wait for Subban. I hear about Weber, Mcdonough, Emelin... but Subban is going to be something special. He skates like the wind, he's solid, he plays with emotion, he absolutely loves the Canadiens, he's going to be a leader and he literally said he would bleed for the Canadiens.

"If given the chance, I'll bleed and sweat for the habs"
It takes players like him to make it in the playoffs, and I can't wait to see him suit up for the Habs.
He has also superb stickhandling skills and a canon of a shot, what will be needed on our PP, I agree with another poster that said we could see him sooner than expected, especially if we dont sign another offensive defenseman short term.. Cant wait to see him at the worldJC

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12-10-2008, 01:00 AM
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Ah, the "Komisarek for $5M" argument.

Well, lets look at it this way:

1. How many teams have enough cap room to fit Komisarek for $5M?
2. Out of those teams, how many need a defensive presence like Komisarek?
3. Out of those teams, how many are in Montreal's Conference? Division?
4. Out of those teams, which would be vying for a Stanley Cup next year?

Factor those in, then ask yourself, "Is it worse the loss if we can get him for $5M and long term?"

Besides, look at Gainey's negotiations with Koivu, Kovalev, Kostitsyn and Markov. Gainey knows how to get value out of players.

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12-10-2008, 07:42 AM
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The Habs will not go after a big name. They will re-sign Komisarek, and sign a depth defenceman to replace Bouillon/Dandenault. That will leave one spot open for a rookie. The 7th spot will be open, but who knows who will fill that, Alex Henry? Sean Belle?

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12-10-2008, 07:57 AM
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The Habs will not go after a big name. They will re-sign Komisarek, and sign a depth defenceman to replace Bouillon/Dandenault. That will leave one spot open for a rookie. The 7th spot will be open, but who knows who will fill that, Alex Henry? Sean Belle?
I agree that they will not go after a big name and that Komi is their big signing. If he signs for around 5M a year, we have 3 Ds making 5M or more. Gorges would be the fourth D and I would not be surprised at all if they resign Bouillon to a 1M contract. O'Byrne should be the 6th and they have Ds up the ying yang coming up.

I could see them, however, trading for a Bowmeester at the trade deadline and not signing him after the season.

The salary cap will go down next year and especially in 2010-2011 because of the economic problems in the States.


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12-10-2008, 08:11 AM
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None... with Markov, Hamrlik and possibly Komisarek, we will have three 5M$ defenseman...
Exactly I would rather have our three resigned then worry about signing someone else.

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12-10-2008, 08:20 AM
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Komisarek... And one of Subban, Weber, McDonagh, etc...

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