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12-10-2008, 01:09 PM
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End the Sather Era

Although the team is under-performing, and some around here have made good points about Renney using a system not suited for this team, I think the major obstacle to NYR claiming their next cup would be the man running the show, Glen Sather.

Now lets get two things straight. First of all, I have nothing against Sather. He has rebuilt this team into a contender again and I am sure we are all grateful for at least the past 3 seasons of NYR Hockey he has put together. Secondly, He is a very, very good coach, and to this day I still believe if he stepped behind the bench again he could continue to be successful.

With that said, I just think that he has lost touch with this new, post-lockout era of the NHL. I think this because I see a lot of similarities between the pre-2004 Boston Red Sox and the current New York Ranger Hockey Club. Let me explain.

Glen Sather seems to be in a very similar position that Dan Duquette (as I'm sure many of you NYY fans love for handing Clemens over to you) was in with the pre-2004 Boston Red Sox (without some of the stupid comments to the media). Duquette began building a great core of players that eventually led the Sox to the 2004 title, but he also made some bonehead trades and signings that, over time, weighed the club down from being a WS champion.

Now I'm sure there was a lot more animosity between the Red Sox Managers and Duquette than there is between Renney and Sather, but none the less I can't help to think the two havent talked about the past 2 weeks at all, especially with all the media rumblings about the team.

With all that said, I think this summer James Dolan really needs to decide if he wants the Rangers to really bring home a cup or allow Sather to redeem himself. I'm not a huge Basketball fan, but you can't ignore the good vibes about the Knicks because of the new Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni era.

So although this post doesn't really have any hard statistics backing up my idea or any quotes from coaches, I still think its a possibility. What do you guys think about this? or What does Sather need to change about his mentality to get this team over the hump? Because Although we are 2nd in the East, it sure as hell doesnt feel like it.

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12-10-2008, 01:14 PM
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While a lot of your comments are valid, the point is moot. Sather is here for life.

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While a lot of your comments are valid, the point is moot. Sather is here for life.
unfortunately that is true.

I would really like to see someone else in as GM. Possibly Renney as I think he is more suited to the GM position then the coaching position.

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12-10-2008, 03:11 PM
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Not only that, when he does eventually hang up the cigar someday, he will be the one to pick his own successor. I'm going to start practicing my hand-written essays, I hear he's partial to that...

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Not only that, when he does eventually hang up the cigar someday, he will be the one to pick his own successor. I'm going to start practicing my hand-written essays, I hear he's partial to that...
Any doubt that it will be Mess?

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Any doubt that it will be Mess?
Lots of doubt. What has Mess done to show that he's ready for an NHL GM job?

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The OP is somewhat hard to follow for a person who does not follow baseball (i.e. me).

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Lots of doubt. What has Mess done to show that he's ready for an NHL GM job?
That doesn't matter in Rangers land. Hockey is different here.

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Lots of doubt. What has Mess done to show that he's ready for an NHL GM job?
What had Trottier done to show he was ready for an NHL head coaching job?

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What had Trottier done to show he was ready for an NHL head coaching job?
He was an assistant coach on a Stanley Cup winner for starters.

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He was an assistant coach on a Stanley Cup winner for starters.
Yet the essay is what won him the job.

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5 weeks ago every1 loved him, just shut up and watch the games.

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What had Trottier done to show he was ready for an NHL head coaching job?
He had been an assistant coach in the NHL.

But I don't understand your point. If you feel that Trottier was not prepared to be an NHL coach, how does that bode for someone with even less relevant experience?

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12-10-2008, 04:03 PM
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He had been an assistant coach in the NHL.

But I don't understand your point. If you feel that Trottier was not prepared to be an NHL coach, how does that bode for someone with even less relevant experience?
My point is I don't trust Sather to name the best replacement for himself. Didn't Messier himself say something about being Ranger GM a couple of years ago? I forget exactly what he said.

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My point is I don't trust Sather to name the best replacement for himself. Didn't Messier himself say something about being Ranger GM a couple of years ago? I forget exactly what he said.
OK so you'd rather leave that choice to Jim Dolan?

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OK so you'd rather leave that choice to Jim Dolan?
It's a lose-lose situation, I'm afraid. You would like to think Dolan could look toward a Gainey or a Wilson if they happen to be available at the time (did Dolan pick Sather or was it someone else?), but we're more likely for Sather to pick one of his cronies instead.

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Before we let go of Slats, what are some REALISTIC options to hire as his replacement? When does JD's contract expire with STL?

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It's a lose-lose situation, I'm afraid. You would like to think Dolan could look toward a Gainey or a Wilson if they happen to be available at the time (did Dolan pick Sather or was it someone else?), but we're more likely for Sather to pick one of his cronies instead.
Dolan picked Sather after asking Bettman who he should get.

I personally believe the next Ranger GM is the man behind the bench right now.

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Dolan picked Sather after asking Bettman who he should get.

Res Ipsa Loquiter. Jeesh.

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Dolan picked Sather after asking Bettman who he should get.

I personally believe the next Ranger GM is the man behind the bench right now.
I think Schoenfeld would disagree with you.

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5 weeks ago every1 loved him, just shut up and watch the games.
I've never really liked him to begin with because he reminds me of Brian Cashman. To me, its like Sather doesn't even have an idea of what type of players he needs. He just waits for the Free-Agency issue of The Hockey News and whoever they rank in the top 5 is who he targets.

And no, Messier should not be the next GM imo. Get a smart, prefereably young, man to fill the void.

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i'd like sather to go just because i'm tired of seeing deals being made with only st. louis and phoneix

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I think Schoenfeld would disagree with you.
Better than Mark Messier.

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Based on the staff that has been built, if you bring someone from the outside, except for JD, you blowup the whole organization. It would be a slap in the face to those who have toiled to bring this organization back to respectibility. I think the logical man to replace Sather is Renney. The question then becomes who becomes the coach.

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I don't think Glen Sather has done a bad job at all. I would hold Tom Renney just as accountable. Sather IMO has won most of the trades he has completed for this team. He IMO has put together some excellent pieces to the table, all the while getting players here that are willing to compete under the stress of playing for the NY Rangers. Let's face it...One or two bad plays, and you get boo'ed out of your own building...Which is pathetic in itself. Sather has brought in some damn good talent, and it's up to Renney to continue to get them to play to the best of thier ability...Which so far I don't think he truly has done.

With that said...I am happy with the Sather Era so far. There are two guys out there that I would more than welcome as new GM's. They are John Davidson, and Brian Burke. Other then those two, I would want anyone else but Glen Sather.

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