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12-10-2008, 05:22 PM
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eklund has added a new post saying edmonton may want Rozy, Dubinsky, and Grachev.

Rangers are looking at Shremp, Chorney, Gilbert, Smid among others

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12-10-2008, 05:25 PM
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If it was not for Sundin this trade would not be discussed.
No, I think the Rangers are looking at any option to solve the offensive issues. The lower cost, longer term, the better.

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12-10-2008, 05:27 PM
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eklund has added a new post saying edmonton may want Rozy, Dubinsky, and Grachev.

Rangers are looking at Shremp, Chorney, Gilbert, Smid among others
Which makes this rumour even more confusing

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12-10-2008, 05:30 PM
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eklund has added a new post saying edmonton may want Rozy, Dubinsky, and Grachev.

Rangers are looking at Shremp, Chorney, Gilbert, Smid among others
How good is Rozy at PK?

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12-10-2008, 05:32 PM
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How good is Rozy at PK?
If EDM is asking, probably best PKer I have seen in the past 10 years

Edit:I don't seem to notice him much to be honest.

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12-10-2008, 05:37 PM
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If EDM is asking, probably best PKer I have seen in the past 10 years

Edit:I don't seem to notice him much to be honest.
haha

Well if you simplify this it would make sense if the Rangers simply move Rozsvival and his salary over to Edmonton....Prucha, Dawes for Schremp , Smid.............

then sign Sundin.............ahhhh who knows,hah

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How good is Rozy at PK?
He's amazing.

Now where are his bags?

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eklund has added a new post saying edmonton may want Rozy, Dubinsky, and Grachev.

Rangers are looking at Shremp, Chorney, Gilbert, Smid among others
Let's see...

Rozsival > Gilbert
Dubinsky >/= Schremp
Grachev= Chorney and Smid

Add that to the fact that Grachev is probably a top 5 Rangers prospect, and that he's a forward, I don't see the rationale of going after any of those players from Edmonton that are listed.

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12-10-2008, 05:42 PM
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To Edmonton
Prucha (1.6)
Roszival (5.0)
Fritsche (.875)

Free's up $5.325 cap space

To NYR
Grabeshkov (1.5)
Strudwick (.650)

Add's $2.15 cap hit

Difference of $3.175.

Only problem is EDM has to clear cap to do that.
Other problem is, why would Edmonton want Roszy at 5mil?
Other problem is why would they want Pru at 1.6?
Other than that...It works

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how about

Rozi, Prucha for Cole, Smid.........hmmmm?

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eklund has added a new post saying edmonton may want Rozy, Dubinsky, and Grachev.

Rangers are looking at Shremp, Chorney, Gilbert, Smid among others
I don't see Dubinsky or Grachev going anywhere. NYRs are small up front & both Dubi & Grachev are big forwards. That makes little sense to move either of them. On the other hand I could see a salary dump of Rosy or Redden for a package of prospects like Shremp, a Peckham or another low cost Dman. That would clear cap space for Sundin. Maybe the deal is just a Prucha or a Frische for a guy like Peckham. Maybe both for shremp & Peckham. That would be a virtual cap wash. Moving a big contract is going to be very hard and you have to take a similar contract back. Edm doesn't have that much room, 2.3M.


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how about

Rozi, Prucha for Cole, Smid.........hmmmm?
How does that make sense money wise? We gain what... 1 million? Pointless.

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12-10-2008, 05:48 PM
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Let's see...

Rozsival > Gilbert
Dubinsky >/= Schremp
Grachev= Chorney and Smid

Add that to the fact that Grachev is probably a top 5 Rangers prospect, and that he's a forward, I don't see the rationale of going after any of those players from Edmonton that are listed.
The way you guys talk about Rozsival < Gilbert is better and he is an excellent puck mover as well with a good contract for 5 years at 4 mill.

Dub > Schremp its not even a question.

Mr i am getting wooed by the KHL Grachev < Smid by a mile
< Chorney both are better and worth more i could care less if he scored 4 goals in one game in juniors.

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eklund has added a new post saying edmonton may want Rozy, Dubinsky, and Grachev.

Rangers are looking at Shremp, Chorney, Gilbert, Smid among others
Dubinsky and Grachev? Say goodbye to any size up front.

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12-10-2008, 06:00 PM
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To Edmonton
Prucha (1.6)
Roszival (5.0)
Fritsche (.875)

Free's up $5.325 cap space

To NYR
Grabeshkov (1.5)
Strudwick (.650)

Add's $2.15 cap hit

Difference of $3.175.

Only problem is EDM has to clear cap to do that.
Other problem is, why would Edmonton want Roszy at 5mil?
Other problem is why would they want Pru at 1.6?
Other than that...It works
So your saying...

Fritsche (.875) for

for
To NYR

Grabeshkov (1.5)
Strudwick (.650)




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The way you guys talk about Rozsival < Gilbert is better and he is an excellent puck mover as well with a good contract for 5 years at 4 mill.

Dub > Schremp its not even a question.

Mr i am getting wooed by the KHL Grachev < Smid by a mile
< Chorney both are better and worth more i could care less if he scored 4 goals in one game in juniors.
Roszival and Gilbert are maybe about even. I'll give the edge to Gilbert due to salary and age.

Dubinsky >>>>>> Schremp

Grachev is a prospect but the Rangers have no good forward prospects so his value to the Rangers >> Smid (who has salary) -- who the Rangers do not need. Chorney greater than Grachev? Umm no.

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How does that make sense money wise? We gain what... 1 million? Pointless.
was not looking at it as a money dump.........although Cole is a UFA next yr and Rozi is not

I was thinking

Cole, Gomez, Drury
Naslund,Dubinsky, Zherdev
Voros, Korpikoski, Callahan
Sjostrom ,Betts, Orr

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Theo Peckham? DO WANT.

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was not looking at it as a money dump.........although Cole is a UFA next yr and Rozi is not

I was thinking

Cole, Gomez, Drury
Naslund,Dubinsky, Zherdev
Voros, Korpikoski, Callahan
Sjostrom ,Betts, Orr
Fair enough. I guess Gomez will have another new player to not mesh with if that happens.

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Where is the salery dump for Sundin? If it was not for Sundin this trade would not be discussed. You guys keep acting like this and Sundin is going to end up in Vancouver and we are both going to be pissed.
The rumor is that there have been talks about a deal if the Rangers were to get Sundin, and a deal if the Rangers were to miss out on Sundin. Point being that a deal doesn't have to be a salary dump on our end.

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Grachev?

Sather better NOT trade Grachev.

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Grachev is off limits for any of those guys they mentioned. Even if the kid isn't a superstar in the making, he still shows promise and a desire to play in the NHL. That and he fills a gaping hole in the power-forward department in this organization.

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I don't see Dubinsky or Grachev going anywhere. NYRs are small up front & both Dubi & Grachev are big forwards. That makes little sense to move either of them. On the other hand I could see a salary dump of Rosy or Redden for a package of prospects like Shremp, a Peckham or another low cost Dman. That would clear cap space for Sundin. Maybe the deal is just a Prucha or a Frische for a guy like Peckham. Maybe both for shremp & Peckham. That would be a virtual cap wash. Moving a big contract is going to be very hard and you have to take a similar contract back. Edm doesn't have that much room, 2.3M.
It would not be hard for EDM to move salery to another team. The hard part is for you guys to move one of your big ticket guys because if i am not mistaken NYR are over the cap a little.

Do not see Lowe wanting Grachev but if you guys are willing to trade Dubie and Rozy for Smid, Chorney, and Schremp. Then we might be onto something. I understand why you guys would be not wanting to trade Dubie but Sundin is just as big as he is and i think we can agree Sundin is the better player even in his sleep right now.

Couple questions that i would like honest answers on.

Can Dubie play LW?

And a honest Scouting report on Rozy? I can tell he is a not a fan favorite for whatever reason thats fine just would like to know what kind of Dmen he is.

In return i can tell you about any Oiler player that you maybe curious about and not in a homer fashion a legit scouting report.

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The way you guys talk about Rozsival < Gilbert is better and he is an excellent puck mover as well with a good contract for 5 years at 4 mill.

Dub > Schremp its not even a question.

Mr i am getting wooed by the KHL Grachev < Smid by a mile
< Chorney both are better and worth more i could care less if he scored 4 goals in one game in juniors.
doubtful...He was already playing PRO hockey in Europe and came over to America to play Juniors...I doubt his interest in playing in Europe is very high.

also...

Grachev>Chorney...Grachev didnt just have on big game and thats it...He's in the top 15 in the OHL in points...including #1 for rookies.

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It would not be hard for EDM to move salery to another team. The hard part is for you guys to move one of your big ticket guys because if i am not mistaken NYR are over the cap a little.

Do not see Lowe wanting Grachev but if you guys are willing to trade Dubie and Rozy for Smid, Chorney, and Schremp. Then we might be onto something. I understand why you guys would be not wanting to trade Dubie but Sundin is just as big as he is and i think we can agree Sundin is the better player even in his sleep right now.

Couple questions that i would like honest answers on.

Can Dubie play LW?

And a honest Scouting report on Rozy? I can tell he is a not a fan favorite for whatever reason thats fine just would like to know what kind of Dmen he is.

In return i can tell you about any Oiler player that you maybe curious about and not in a homer fashion a legit scouting report.
You're mistaken, we are not over the cap.

Both Dubie and Rosie are better than all of Smid, Chorney and Schremp. Moving salary would be great for us, but not at that cost.

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