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12-10-2008, 02:35 PM
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This info conflicted with what nhlscap.com said in its CBA FAQ so I dug deeper.

Take a look at 50.5(d)(iii), specifically A:


B says the years beyond the original contract are straightforward, they're equal to the yearly amount paid by the team for the buyout.

There are a few examples directly on the CBA after B. One of them even shows you could potentially get a negative cap hit from a buyout for a given year. That gets treated as a cap credit.

Based on all this, it seems like all buyouts are not equal. Buying out an evenly spread out contract effectively means getting 2/3 of the cap hit over double the amount of years. But buying out a front-loaded contract seems to lead to a bigger cap hit than 2/3 of the remaining cap hit and buying out a back-loaded contract seems to lead to a smaller cap hit than 2/3 of the remaining cap hit.

If I have gotten all of this right and the OpenOffice calculator I just whipped up is error-free, buying out Lecavalier with 3 years remaining would lead to cap hits of 4.45, 6.95, 7.45, .72, .72, .72 mil, respectively, over the following 6 years.

That's a total of 21.02, where I'd have expected 15.45.
Wow thanks. I stand corrected. Although it is a contradiction with article 50.9 which is less detailed.

I guess you could always send him down to the minors and deal with the repercussions if the cap space is missing, instead of buying him out.

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12-10-2008, 03:04 PM
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I would too, I was just joking.

It's just kind of funny to see the circus in Tampa unfolding..
The poor kid just landed in a ****show. Funny that all the pressure he had going to Tampa with the "Seen Stamkos?" stuff did not really do anything for that market. I think the only actual pressure he received was from the Canadian media.

Anyways, now that I see St. Louis has multiple years left on his contract, I would not want him here. That would really bind Gainey's hands in re-signing players this summer.

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12-10-2008, 03:47 PM
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So Gainey is an absolute idiot, because its pretty close to what he wanted offer Brière, no?

I think your statement is extremely exagerated. Gainey said the Habs wanted to add a superstar to the lineup, and you can't have a superstar without a superstar salary. The good thing with Vinny is that his cap hit is low compared to the max he could get (which he will get, but front loaded). If Gainey was ready to offer Brière a cap hit of 7 mil, you really think he wouldn't want Vinny at 7,7 mil$??
I don't think it's the annual salary that would keep Gainey from touching it, it is the term. I doubt Gainey would want to inherit a contract with that many years left on it.

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12-10-2008, 04:12 PM
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I don't think it's the annual salary that would keep Gainey from touching it, it is the term. I doubt Gainey would want to inherit a contract with that many years left on it.
7-8 years compared to 11 years doesn't make much difference, especially since Lecavalier is younger than when Brière signed, and that Brière is injured way more frequently. For the risk factor its about the same.

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12-11-2008, 09:56 AM
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7-8 years compared to 11 years doesn't make much difference, especially since Lecavalier is younger than when Brière signed, and that Brière is injured way more frequently. For the risk factor its about the same.
I don't think Gainey ever offered Briere 7-8 years. I think that's why he ended up in Philly, just like Elias and the Devils. Gainey has always stated he doesn't like long term deals (anything over 4 years), so I doubt he would want to take on an 11 year deal.

On top of that, looking at how the economy of the league is headed, and taking on an 11 year right now doesn't seem smart, almost regardless of who the player is.

I mean, I would love to see Lecavalier on the habs, but that contract is just toooooooo long.

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12-11-2008, 10:11 AM
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Gainey did offer almost the exact same deal to Briere:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...512/index.html

I would take Lecavalier any day for just about anyone on the Habs roster. Those extra few years aren't really a problem because with his frontloaded contract a buyout would cost very little, that is if he drops off after 36/37..

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Gainey did offer almost the exact same deal to Briere:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...512/index.html
comparable doesn't mean almost the exact. I have a feeling the $/per year was the same, but the term is what won it out for the Flyers.

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Sure you don't want him?

St. Louis is taking the Habs to school right now!

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Like I said already - in a heartbeat.

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Like I said already - in a heartbeat.
We are already too small. Major pass.

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St. Louis is taking the Habs to school right now!
They gave him the directions.

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We are already too small. Major pass.
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of course the bruins fan wants us to trade for another soft small forward
Anytime. How many series Boston won against us and our soft small forward? St-Louis isn't a soft player. He skates and competes period.

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We are already too small. Major pass.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Major fail.

MSL is like Saku -- no quit, full pedal down. He may be Mini-Vinny but he's better than, say...... all of our current wingers. Since we're already small on the wings we might as well upgrade to someone who brings it every shift.

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