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12-11-2008, 01:24 PM
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So whats the time frame on this injury? Guesses?

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12-11-2008, 01:26 PM
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i'm gonna say, 4-6 months. this is a huge guess i have no idea what i'm talking about.

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To all you people sad and beside yourselves that we lost Steve Downie -- get over it. If the Flyers *need* Steve Downie to the point to be a contender, they'll be contending for the lottery.

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To all you people sad and beside yourselves that we lost Steve Downie -- get over it. If the Flyers *need* Steve Downie to the point to be a contender, they'll be contending for the lottery.
I may just start ignore listing these people. They're the same ones who get up on Steve Downie and who slag off Martin Biron.

Who's done more for this team in the last 12 months, Downie or Biron? Judging by the comments by a lot of the morons here, it's apparently Downie.

I miss the 04 version of this board more and more every day tbh and I wasn't even here when the board started.

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flamed by Johnsson. Man, I miss Johnsson.

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Ouch, nasty injury. I had a badly, badly bruised intercostal a while back. It put me out of commission for a while. I can't imagine what tearing it would feel like. Sheesh.

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12-11-2008, 01:45 PM
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I fail to see the logic behind saying this makes room for Sundin. We take a hit on defense... so we add another forward?

Our forward group is the least of the Flyers' problems.

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12-11-2008, 02:06 PM
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So whats the time frame on this injury? Guesses?
I would have to think it depends on how bad it is and on the person. The article made it seem like the drugs weren't working. It might be realistic to say 1-4 months? Someone who actually had the injury should know a better time frame.

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12-11-2008, 02:15 PM
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If you move Lupul, there is still too many centers. Briere at RW didn't work. The Carter to RW ship has obviously sailed by now. Richards is not an RW. No less than two of those guys would have to move to wing to get them the proper playing time.

The Flyers also just can't sign Sundin because of injuries. All these guys are going to come back at some point.
Actually it did work. It just did not work for the rest of the team. Gagne, Richards, Briere line looked great.

but trying to change everything on our team including our D and forwards did not work at the beginning of the season.

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12-11-2008, 02:35 PM
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From http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/b...f/1045099?open

1 to 6 weeks. I've got a feeling it'll be a lot closer to 6, if not over that. Depends on how bad the tear is, I'm guessing.

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12-11-2008, 02:44 PM
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1 to 6 weeks. I've got a feeling it'll be a lot closer to 6, if not over that. Depends on how bad the tear is, I'm guessing.
It's been about a week (4 games) so he might be able to come back soon ... or go on the IR for a long time.

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12-11-2008, 02:53 PM
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Actually it did work. It just did not work for the rest of the team. Gagne, Richards, Briere line looked great.

but trying to change everything on our team including our D and forwards did not work at the beginning of the season.
Therefore, it did not work.


I'm glad they figured it out with Carle, this game-to-game thing wasn't going to work. I had suggested that they put him on IR even before this so that there wasn't pressure on him to fix it, but as it seems with the Flyers, a 2-game injury turns into a 2-month injury.

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12-11-2008, 03:08 PM
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everyone is saying we dont need forwards, but if im not mistaken all our production comes from 12, 17, 18, 22.....thats only four guys producing...and we cant score even strength...so sundin would be a huge boost to our team....he could also help guys like lupul and hartnell, which would make our team better, bc we would have three scoring lines, not one and a third

that being said i still dont see sundin coming here, and i would rather swing a deal for bouwmeester

by the way...randy jones can play, and he will help this team

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The problem is that we don't really save money when players are on the LTIR. It's just that the Flyers can go over the cap equivalent to the salaries on LTIR. But they can't bank the $ saved on the salaries of the players on LTIR. So as soon as Briere (and likely Carle) come off of LTIR, we would be back in cap hell.

At least that is my interpretation of it.
its weird i the cap is configured on payroll to date. and then your allowed an injury cushin to go over the cap. you have to be compliant through projected salaries for players on the active roster and then on actual salaries at the end of the year.

so yes you can save money but not untill the player actually comes back or if they arent expected back entirely.

take briere. the flyers reciever a cushion for his salary from the time he went on ir to the time he comes back. they can then spend that money on a player whose total cost for the year is less then that salary for the amount of games he missed (if its the minimum 10 games and 20 days off its 1.04 mil) or a higher priced player or collection of players for a limited number of games whose salries add up to that total. but when briere returns the total projected payroll cant exceed the the cap plus money allowed for in the cushion divided by the number of days remaining in the season.

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12-11-2008, 03:24 PM
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everyone is saying we dont need forwards, but if im not mistaken all our production comes from 12, 17, 18, 22.....thats only four guys producing...and we cant score even strength...so sundin would be a huge boost to our team....he could also help guys like lupul and hartnell, which would make our team better, bc we would have three scoring lines, not one and a third

that being said i still dont see sundin coming here, and i would rather swing a deal for bouwmeester

by the way...randy jones can play, and he will help this team
Sundin obvously would help if he came here...Sundin is also very good at playing with subpar or young wingers and making them better, he did it in Toronto for years....I just dont see how they could do it without getting rid of too much.....Jones is needed now that Carle will be out for a while.....

If lets say trading Lupul would be enough, maybe, cause he most likely needs to be moved next year anyway, you can just move Briere back to the wing for this year, but we cant afford to give up Lupul, Jones + right now, especially with Carle out.

This would be an amazing group of forwards though....

Gagne Richards Briere
Hartnell Sundin Nodl
Upshall Carter Knuble

or

Gagne Richards Knuble
Hartnell Sundin Briere
Upshall Carter Nodl

It doesnt really seem to matter who Carter plays with these days, as soon as he touches the puck he shoots and scores anyway....

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A good indicator of how good he is: if the Flyers were to sign him, Jeff Carter would be the third line center.
As much as I think Sundin is a great player, I think Carter would regress becoming a third center.

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Freakin figures. How did this injury even happen?!

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As much as I think Sundin is a great player, I think Carter would regress becoming a third center.
Given the moves they'd need to make to clear cap for him, yeah, Carter might wind up skating with Asham and Cote.

Then again, perhaps then it'd be time to bring up Giroux.

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This is the year of the LTIR
Ryan Parent
Randy Jones
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Matt Carle

all before new years

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This is the year of the LTIR
Ryan Parent
Randy Jones
Danny Briere
Matt Carle

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well this sucks.......... i hope hes back sooner than later. I guess playing defense for the Flyers is like the kiss of death....

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Therefore, it did not work.
Nah, it worked fine. Biron was just sucking arse at the time, and our D blew. Briere on the wing was working perfectly well.

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everyone is saying we dont need forwards, but if im not mistaken all our production comes from 12, 17, 18, 22.....thats only four guys producing...and we cant score even strength...so sundin would be a huge boost to our team....he could also help guys like lupul and hartnell, which would make our team better, bc we would have three scoring lines, not one and a third

that being said i still dont see sundin coming here, and i would rather swing a deal for bouwmeester

by the way...randy jones can play, and he will help this team
The even strength problems are a secondary issue. As of now we have something like 7 forwards who should get to 20 goals. That's pretty good distribution. You're not going to have 5 or 6 30 goal scorers.

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