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12-09-2008, 02:40 PM
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ATL: Prucha, Dawes

NYR: Colby Armstrong + 3rd 09

I know, I know. A true blockbuster deal.
hell yes.

I've always liked Colby.

Exactly what this team needs, players with spunk.

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hell yes.

I've always liked Colby.

Exactly what this team needs, players with spunk.
I like this deal as well. I'd do it.

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Please tell me you didn't just compare Aaron Voros to Keith Tkachuk...
This is a suggestion thread is it not? I spit balled an idea. You have something better mr zen master let's hear it.

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Kovalchuk, from what i haerd, is on the block, so here is my idea.

ATL: Prucha, Sanguinetti, 1st round this year

NYR - I.Kovalcuk

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More realistic...


ATL: Dubi, Rozi, Prucha, 2nd in 09

NYR - I.Kovalcuk

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As we all know our team is having massive problems right now. We have lost 3 out of our last 4 and in the last 4 games have been outscored 13-4. There is clearly a need for massive change. I feel that these adjustments will lead to a better New York Rangers team and atmosphere.

Step 1:

One thing that has been killing us is our defense. Dmitri Kalinin and Wade Redden have HARDLY earned their 8+ mill combined this season. It's time to admit they were mistakes and just move on. As the great The Thomas J. once said, "Wade Redden is going to be our Yashin." He couldn't be more right. An expensive Ottawa Senator that goes to a New York Hockey team and is supposed to drastically change it. It didn't work out for either team, and both teams were stuck with these Europeans from Ottawa. Clearly this was destined to be, and since the Islanders bought out Yashin, we have no choice but to follow suit. We need to just release him and let him float to Europe. Next we have to deal with Kalinin. He's just so horrible. He would probably pass through waivers so it makes sense to just waive him and send him to Hartford. This would help both our NHL team AND our AHL team. How you might as? It's simple. When he arrives in Hartford you suit him up and put him on the ice for a game or two while scratching Sanguinetti and have him watch from the press box. You think you've seen the best of Sanguinetti? Not even close. Kalinin was a 1st round pick just as Sanguinetti was, and when Sangs sees the monstrosity that is Dmitri Kalinin on the ice and realizes that in 6 years that could be him you'll see Sanguinetti working harder than you ever could have imagined.

Now we have 2 open spots on our NHL roster. How do we fix this? Simple. Tampa Bay CLEARLY misses Dan Boyle, as they have the least goals per game this season and their top scoring defenseman is sadly Steve Eminger. This is where the Rangers get to take advantage of Tampa. Did you see how easily they let Barry Melrose control the team? I mean seriously, Barry friggin' Melrose. This should be an easy one. First, announce Esa Tikkanen as honorary GM for the day. Have you ever heard the guy talk? You don't know wtf he is saying. How does that help us, you say? Simple. Dan Fritsche has been redundant for us this year, and we have good depth in our farm system. The way Tikkanen speaks English, if he calls up the Lightning inquiring about Paul Ranger and says tells them at a fast pace that we will offer them "Dan Fritsche and Chris Doyle" Tampa for sure will think we are offering "Dan Boyle." They'll accept it and we'll get ourselves Paul Ranger. Chris Doyle's rights can't be traded because he was drafted this year, you say? No problem. Gary Bettman has an evil plan to get the Rangers to do well and look good. Want proof? Ever notice the fact that we play more games in the beginning of the season than everyone else? Exactly...

So now we have one spot to fill. A popular opinion on these boards would be to stick Corey Potter there. Nonsense, I say. I have a better idea. We need to act quickly on this one. In the 2007-2008 NHL season Kalinin played 46 games and had 1 goal and 8 assists. In the 2006-2007 season Jason York had 1 goal and 7 assists in 49 games. Notice the similarities? The only difference is Jason York wouldn't cost 2.1 million and isn't a soft European. We need that gritty presence on our blue line. Instead of the lazy hooking penalties Kalinin provided Jason York well get himself put into the box for knocking the other team on their *****. Perfect replacement.

Now here where this all works out in the end. Redden and Kalinin brought a depressed feeling to MSG. However, if we can time it right We'll get our 2 new defenseman at the same time, and next game when we stick them on our 3rd pairing Sam Rosen will have no choice but to say during the pregame that the Rangers "dumped Redden and Kalinin and now have a new York Ranger pairing." The words "New York Ranger" strung together will shine a light on the whole team, and will bring a new sense of team before the individual. The animosity we've seen such as with Lundqvist and Gomez will be gone and it will bring much better chemistry between our players. A whole new sense of team and camaraderie will be established with our new York Ranger pairing, and when the players look on the back of their jerseys during the games and see the "new York Ranger" jerseys on the ice they will realize that the names on the back are also the name on the front, and therefore if our whole team does the job of the name they have stitched on their back then it will also lead to success for the name on the front.

Step 2:

Did you know that we have had the most powerplays oppurtunities in the whole NHL yet only have the 16th most goals on the powerplay and the 22nd best PP%? That's not acceptable by any means. The experimenting with Kalinin and Redden has already been shut down. We need to find another plan. The acquisitions of Zherdev and Naslund have been nice, but I think we can do better. As we've already discussed in a separate thread on these boards, Gomez is worthless. We need something else on our PP. The one guy I think is truly a keeper is Brandon Dubinsky. I think if we work a PP around him things can turn out well.

Now what do we do? We got rid of Fritsche so that opens up a roster spot. Sorry Korpedo, you've done a pretty good job here with the Rangers but we're gonna send you down again for the moment. We now have 2 open roster spots. Have you ever noticed how bored Ron Duguay looks on Hockey Night Live? He clearly does not fit in there, as he has such long flowing hair whereas Ken Daneyko, Butch Goring, and Al Trautwig are bald. He has nothing in common with them, and deserves better than being stuck with those skinheads. Now I know this might sound a bit out there, but at 51 years old I bet Duguay could still lace them up. The guy scored 10+ powerplay goals per season in his prime, so why not see if he can bring the same magic 25 or so years later?

Now we have 1 spot left to fill.

Clue: He is a former Rangers right winger who was often criticized for being too soft and left on bad terms and perhaps with more left to accomplish in the NHL and is currently lighting the lamp in Europe... no, I don't mean Jaromir Jagr. The response we were actually looking for was 1995 2nd round pick "Christian Dube." I now it's been a long time since we first divorced, but perhaps Dube will come back for a second go-around. Yes, I know that in 33 games with us he only had 1 goal and 1 assist. You know what they always say, "The first one is the hardest to get." He clearly doesn't feel the pressure anymore, as the guy has 33 points in 25 games with SC Bern so far this season! We DESPERATELY need a more than point per game player like that, and after we showed our muscle and demolished SC Bern on our visit to Europe he will realize just how lucky he was to be with us.

So now what? Well, now we can piece it all together. With our new players we have to readjust the lines. The Voros Zherdev and Dubinsky magic that we had in the beginning is not there anymore. We have to seperate them. Gomez clearly hasn't played well at all, as has been displayed by the Ranger fans here at HFboards, so we'll demote him to 4th line, put Drury as 1st line center, and make Betts the 3rd line center. We'll put Zherdev and Naslund with Drury, Voros and Prucha with Betts, and Sjostrom and Orr with Gomez. Looks like Dawes is the odd man out here. Now we have left our second line, which will be filled with Brandon Dubinsky, Christian Dube, and Ron Duguay, and will also be known as our "Dubie-Dube-Du" line. It will be great for promotions. Kids will flood the Ranger games, as they'll be able to support their favorite hockey team as well as their favorite cartoon dog! Now, this line will make our powerplay unstoppable. We add an old great with a great scoring touch and a late bloomer who scored goals like it was nothing in Switzerland to our fan-favorite and hard working Brandon Dubinsky. You still might be skeptical, but here is how we can use this wonderful line to dominate. Just imagine a Rangers powerplay with those 3 and the Devils trying to kill it off:

John Madden: Hey Pandolfo, cover Dube

Jay Pandolfo: Ok I'll get Dubie

John Madden: Nono, not Dubie, Dube, like the letter 'a'. "Dub'ay'

Jay Pandolfo: Ohhh Duguay. Got it.

Now the Devils are completely lost, and one of the defensemen on our new York Ranger pairing feeds the puck to Christian Dube. He skates towards goal with only Scott Clemmensen or Kevin Weekes left to stop him while a confused Devils penalty killing unit is triple teaming Ron Duguay . Now, one of the major issues regarding the Rangers this year is that they make mediocre goalie look unbelievable. See Alex Auld, Craig Anderson, Joey MacDonald, and Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers. But this doesn't matter, because after playing 6 and a half seasons in Switzerland Christian Dube has had so much practice scoring on mediocre goalies! Dube doesn't even flinch as he roofs it top left corner on either Weekes or Clemmensen, and the Rangers are on their way. The Dubie-Dube-Du line will be a major problem for the other 29 teams in the NHL.

With these two steps the Rangers should be back to winning, and should finally live up to expectations.
ok Funny but I was looking for something a bit simmpler



how about Dawes(surefire 24-30 goal guy)+Roz+condt'l 1st
for Phx's choice of OLli Jokinen/Peter Mueller/ or V.Tikhonov(for anyone other than Mueller the 1st rounder doesn't get moved

that leaves us w/ 6 slow Defenders....ok now we move a 3rd rounder
to TB for Evgeny Artukhin and move Fritsche+Rismiller+Kalinin+ future considerations or Just Zherdev+Rissmiller straight up for JBouwmeester

and then ask Sundin nicely...do you really think there is an easier path to the cup final ? no...of course so sign for league min+ bonuses equaling 2 mill and then you've got your chance to shine?

After all Puck Rushing Dmen--Jay Bouwmeester+ if needed Sangs
and Power Forwards Voros/Dubinsky/Artukhin, and the developing Orr
+Sundin+Drury+Gomez+Callahan+....
all that is needed is patience on the Blueline


Naslund-Sundin-Sjostrom
Callahan-Gomez-Mueller
Voros-Dubinsky-Prucha
Drury-Betts-Artukhin
Korps-Moore-Orr

Jbo--Girardi
Redden-Potter
Staal-Mara



hey we can all dream can't we....really?

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12-13-2008, 01:40 AM
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Dude, whatever the Rangers management says,it's always a crapshoot. That's why we have one one Stanley Cup, in what 50 years! At the beginning the of the year they were talking about how young and fast of a team we are. We aren't even there, and when ever we try to be fast we make turnovers.

Our defense is so slow we are giving odd man rushes like crazy, short handed goals like crazy. The way we are playing at and the attitude that we are playing at is a recipe for the 1998-2003 lull we had. Big signings but no clear leadership.

I'm sick and tired of Lundqvist blaming himself after every lost game. It's been four years now, two years of Eastern Conference semifinals, and now this? How are we necessarily moving forward? In my opinion we are a worse team than last year, and I don't even consider the shootout wins true wins. We have a team that collectively has no heart. If we were a true team, every player would break their stick on the ice, and say that we lost it for Henrik and for the fans. Us New York fans deserve better, if the players get paid this much, we should have at least had 8 cups under our belt.

Change the management, starting with Glen Sather. Change the coach. If we are going to start with a new team post Jagr era, it's time we start with new management as well.

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OK Guys and Gals and All in between!

Here comes one Master Solution if you are willing to bear with it:
  • W Redden, N Dawes, D Byers(injured) to Dallas for S Avery, M Niskanen & J Lundqvist (injured)
  • S Avery then demoted to Hartford (temporarily?)
  • Demote Korpedo to Hartford until the POs
  • P Prucha to Ottawa for their 3rd round 2009 pick acquired from LA
  • D Kalinin + our own 3rd round pick in 2009 to Atlanta for B Exelby
  • Sign M Sundin for 5 million + bonus
  • Sign Shanny at 1,2 million + bonus

Cap implications
W Redden is saving us 6,5 million
N Dawes saves 588
Korpedo saves 1,017
P Prucha saves 1,6 M
D Kalinin saves 2,1
Total saved 11,805

S Avery - no immediate cap hit (4 million to play in Hartford for a time - also to save Dallas face)

M Sundin Adds 5 million
C Potter adds 543
J Lundqvist adds 725
Shanny adds 1,2 million
B Exelby adds 1,391
M Niskanen adds 850
Added is then 9,709

Cap savings (with S Avery temporarily in Hartford) = 2,105

Available cap space is now at 1,2 million (+725 ev for the injured Lundqvist)
Switching Avery for Fritsche/Sjo when Lundqvist returns would then actually be a possibility. Especially after the trade deadline and into the Playoffs *(which we hopefully - but not certainly - would make).

Wow - kinda crazy thing here
This would at least make things quite exciting and add a sense of turbulence that the media would devour.
I know in a sense that this could be perceived as taking a few steps back. Signing oldies like Shanny and Sundin. But this is only short term run at the cup and gives us nice breathing space to resign vital RFAs and an UFA or 2. Our core would remain. And - we would not be giving up a plethora of future assets to put this Master Solution into place (not counting Prucha, Dawes, Dane Byers - all of which I believe most people could agree to sacrifice). Getting rid of the albatross of a contract in Wade Redden (which was a mistake) for taking back the overpaid egohead Sean Avery is a risk, but well worth taking imo. We would also demand Dallas to give us 2 younger guys (Lunqvist + Niskanen) that both have a nice potential upside, for taking their badboy Sean back. I mean - they have lost quite a lot of face here and i see them taking a deal like this which might not really be too bad for them. Hank would then also get his twin brother Joel to talk to (he would replace B betts - who has been very good btw - in a longer perspective as a 4th line defensive center) when he gets too down on his lackadaisical teammates efforts... Getting a hardhitting bottom pairing Dman in Exelby is also imo preferable to Kalinin.
Is this all just a pipedream? Probably. But it would fit capwise...
Oh - and yeah. Find a new assistant coach to coordinate the power Play. maybe our nr 1 priority now?



Näslund - Sundin - Z
Drury - Gomez - Shanny
Voros - Dubinsky - Callahan
Sjo - Betts - Orr


Fritsche, Lundqvist (injured), Avery as an eventual Joker callup

Rozie - Staal
Girardi - Mara
Niskanen - Exelby

Potter

Hank
Vally


Bring on the flaming


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Fire the coaching staff, fire Sather, trade away Drury, Rozsival, Redden, and Gomez (Until he proves that he can win in NY, he's still a Devil to me). Try to bring in another scorer by trading these guys. Also, find a big defenseman who can move people in front of the net. Next year get either Sanguinetti or MDZ up here so we can have some real defensemen who can make our powerplay lethal.

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ok Funny but I was looking for something a bit simmpler



how about Dawes(surefire 24-30 goal guy)+Roz+condt'l 1st
for Phx's choice of OLli Jokinen/Peter Mueller/ or V.Tikhonov(for anyone other than Mueller the 1st rounder doesn't get moved

....really?

One thing I have noticed is that Nigel Dawes is WAY OVERRATED on this site. There is no way on this Earth that Maloney would be dumb enough to do that. Olli Jokinen has been an animal this year, Mueller has been off but he will work it out and Tiki is apart of the future of the Yotes. They aren't going anywhere.

but yes....you can dream all you want

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Are you crazy or what? Executing all these trades for injured players? All we get is two old guys who we don't know whether they are truly in shape, even though they say that they are working out constantly. These two guys, Shanny and Sundin, are injury prone! Exelby? Niskanen? Will they really turn a team around?

We need two snipers with 40+ goals and some fast d-men if you ask me. And a brain transplant for Tom Renney.


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OK Guys and Gals and All in between!

Here comes one Master Solution if you are willing to bear with it:
  • W Redden, N Dawes, D Byers(injured) to Dallas for S Avery, M Niskanen & J Lundqvist (injured)
  • S Avery then demoted to Hartford (temporarily?)
  • Demote Korpedo to Hartford until the POs
  • P Prucha to Ottawa for their 3rd round 2009 pick acquired from LA
  • D Kalinin + our own 3rd round pick in 2009 to Atlanta for B Exelby
  • Sign M Sundin for 5 million + bonus
  • Sign Shanny at 1,2 million + bonus

Cap implications
W Redden is saving us 6 million
N Dawes saves 588
Korpedo saves 1,017
P Prucha saves 1,6 M
D Kalinin saves 2,1
Total saved 11,305

S Avery - no immediate cap hit (4 million to play in Hartford for a time - also to save Dallas face)

M Sundin Adds 5 million
C Potter adds 543
J Lundqvist adds 725
Shanny adds 1,2 million
B Exelby adds 1,391
M Niskanen adds 850
Added is then 9,709

Cap savings (with S Avery temporarily in Hartford) = 1,605

Available cap space is now at 1,2 million (+725 ev for the injured Lundqvist)
Switching Avery for Fritsche/Sjo when Lundqvist returns would then actually be a possibility. Especially after the trade deadline and into the Playoffs *(which we hopefully - but not certainly - would make).

Wow - kinda crazy thing here
This would at least make things quite exciting and add a sense of turbulence that the media would devour.
I know in a sense that this could be perceived as taking a few steps back. Signing oldies like Shanny and Sundin. But this is only short term run at the cup and gives us nice breathing space to resign vital RFAs and an UFA or 2. Our core would remain. And - we would not be giving up a plethora of future assets to put this Master Solution into place (not counting Prucha, Dawes, Dane Byers - all of which I believe most people could agree to sacrifice). Getting rid of the albatross of a contract in Wade Redden (which was a mistake) for taking back the overpaid egohead Sean Avery is a risk, but well worth taking imo. We would also demand Dallas to give us 2 younger guys (Lunqvist + Niskanen) that both have a nice potential upside, for taking their badboy Sean back. I mean - they have lost quite a lot of face here and i see them taking a deal like this which might not really be too bad for them. Hank would then also get his twin brother Joel to talk to (he would replace B betts - who has been very good btw - in a longer perspective as a 4th line defensive center) when he gets too down on his lackadaisical teammates efforts... Getting a hardhitting bottom pairing Dman in Exelby is also imo preferable to Kalinin.
Is this all just a pipedream? Probably. But it would fit capwise...
Oh - and yeah. Find a new assistant coach to coordinate the power Play. maybe our nr 1 priority now?



Näslund - Sundin - Z
Drury - Gomez - Shanny
Voros - Dubinsky - Callahan
Sjo - Betts - Orr


Fritsche, Lundqvist (injured), Avery as an eventual Joker callup

Rozie - Staal
Girardi - Mara
Niskanen - Exelby

Potter

Hank
Vally


Bring on the flaming

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Here's a suggestion, play defense like it's a basketball game, and go man to man

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LOL, I actually thought about that. Is it even possible in Hockey?..

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Here's a suggestion for a new look: the players should staple pictures of dead babies onto the front of their jerseys and hire Hollywood's best makeup artists to make their faces looked all mangled before every game in an attempt to instill the fear of God within our opponents.

Yes? No? Am I way off?

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I think it's as simple(or mayb not simple) as moving Rozi,,Kalinin,Prucha.......sign Sundin.............bring in D man for Rozi and picks back

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Are you crazy or what? Executing all these trades for injured players? All we get is two old guys who we don't know whether they are truly in shape, even though they say that they are working out constantly. These two guys, Shanny and Sundin, are injury prone! Exelby? Niskanen? Will they really turn a team around?

We need two snipers with 40+ goals and some fast d-men if you ask me. And a brain transplant for Tom Renney.
I have been called crazy by many people. Yes. And I probably am
Now on to your analysis
I only mentioned acquiring one injured player (J Lundqvist) that should be back on ice within a month. Why even bring this up as this is just a throw-in into the deal with Dallas and hardly worth mentioning?
I somewhat agree that Potter, Exelby and Niskanen will not turn the team around in a dramatic fashion on D. But I do think that by replacing 8,6 million for Redden and Kalinen they would not damage the team defensively in any grave manner. We have Sauer, Sanguinetti and a certain Del Zotto coming up in a few years. At least one - maybe more - of these guys should make it into the NHL. Kalinin would be gone after the end of the year anyway.
Two old guys that are injury prone... Everyone always with the fanatically biased and hardly focused fetish here for youth. Youth like in Korpedo, Dawes, Sjostrom, Prucha and Fritsche that really seem to be getting the job done offensively. These 5 young and speedy offensive dynamos have combined for a total of 8 goals so far this year. Their roles and ice time might have been grossly mismanaged by the coaching staff - but come on - 8 measly goals over 30 games into the season! But face it - these young guys - no matter how much we like them - are not ready to burden the offense this team so desperately needs NOW. And a short term fix by signing 2 "older guys" as midterm UFAs will do nothing more than eat salary this year - as they will be gonest down the line - and is as good as a solution as you are going to find.
I therefore think that we should let a couple of these guys go(Dawes and Prucha), not trade our other prospects out of short term desperation and keep the rest of the green & growing "youth" on board and let them slowly develop into a fullfledged NHL callibers of offensive threat. Because they are (unfortunately) not there yet. Even if I mentioned Petr Prucha here - his tale is somewhat more of a tragedy than the other 4 guys (3 if you omit Fritsche as well) but I am not going to get into that now.
Regarding injury prone. Maybe they are. Maybe not. Only time will tell if they both were to be signed. Which is highly improbable. If they are - then so be it. PAP and AA would then probably be called up and then have to show what they are made of. Might not be the worst of options. And I am not even mentioning bringing up Avery from Hartford were he to come back here (which I am not sure would work out at all).
The Avery thing is more of a halfhearted joke on my part - but it also in a sense is remotely possible as Dallas really wants Avery out of town and could be desperate enough to swallow Reddens crazy contract in order to do so. Remember that they were close to getting him as UFA before we overbid them a little.

OK - here comes the part I like
We need to get two 40 goal scorers and a couple of speedy defensemen.
OK, well - Jay Bo and Tomas Kaberle sound good and are said to be available for the right price. And hmmm, lets say that Kovalchuk and Gaborik up front would seem like good 40-goal guy options as they are also rumoured to be on the block. Fine. Lets do it. And pretend we have enough assets that anyone would want to acquire to bring home even one of these players (which we probably do not unless we start talking Staal, Lundqvist and Dubinsky) - cuz we will not find a single sucker in the universe of stupid GMs to swallow enough salary (for our 4 wingless albatatrosses in Redden, Rozie, Gomez and Drury) to bring back anything close to what we would need to dump to get what you want to get. What is a salary cap? Ever heard of it? Duhhhhh - did not think so. You gotta give to get. If you give me your adress I will send you a free calculator for starters. How does that sound? And I am not joking

The brain transplant for Renny? I actually tend to agree here - but fear that there is not a brain surgeon in the world that could fix this mess. It seems someone might have tried this before and the infamous Ygor (Marty Feldman) was at it again and unfortunately gave them the brain of A.B. Normal to put into Tom Rennys head. A lobotomy or a pink slip might fare better as a solution.

Have a nice evening...Regards from the loco madre from Iceland


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