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12-13-2008, 02:16 PM
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Stop with the Ryder comments. You know absolutely nothing about Ryder. Go take a look at his junior stats. Ryder's record completely outclasses Lats and he didn't have Brassard to feed him. Ryder's skating is not the greatest but it's better than Lats. His shot is better than Lats. He plays with more intensity than Lats ever will. The only thing Lats has over Ryder is his size and we know to what advantage Lats uses it. None.

I wonder when Lats teamed up with Brassard because he went from 24 to 29 to 43. You look at Ryder and he went from 34 to 44 to 50 goals. Ryder has scored at every level. He had one bad year here and we shipped him off. He's on pace to hit 30 this year. What is Lats on pace to hit?


Wow, just wow...

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12-13-2008, 06:42 PM
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Latendresse is a project on a team with stanley cup aspirations. There is no time to teach him to learn him game. It's unfortunate, but i'm starting to think he'll never be the best player he can be in montreal.

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12-13-2008, 08:00 PM
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[quote=MathMan;16789365]I don't think Lats will be traded, unless it's as part of a package. The potential for a Leclair scenario is way too high.quote]

Of all the statements I have seen, this has to be the most absurd!

Leclair had more potential in his pinky than Lats has in his entire body!

There is NOT ONE aspect of a hockey player that Latandress even REMOTELY comes to a John Leclair.

I remember Leclair, even as a rookie wearing #17.

He could skate, he could shoot, you simply could NOT get the puck away from him nad oh yea, Big John has loads of hockey sense.

You couldn't GIVE Latandress away.

Lats potential is more Steve Begin than John Leclair!

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12-13-2008, 09:53 PM
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Now, you reveal your true colors...

Why is it that people come up with this lame argument when none of his "supporters" even mention this...
To begin, I am not affiliated with this unity of Ryder fans that make the same arguments in defense of Ryder.

My colors are those which appropriate talent and work ethic with ice team on an NHL team, regardless of whether they speak English, French, Russian, Swahili, Hindi, Gaelic.

Oh yes, by the way, Ryder scored twice tonight. Giving him 10 points in 7 games played.

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12-13-2008, 10:24 PM
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Latendresse is not and has never been a power forward. It's not his game and trying to be a power forward is what hurts him more than anything.
What is his game then?

He will never be a goon, he won't be a golaie, he won't be a defenseman, he won't be a speedy playmaking center, or an energy player.

His game is to play physical down low, go to the net and score garbage goals. That's the definition of a power forward.

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12-13-2008, 10:29 PM
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Latendresse is a project on a team with stanley cup aspirations. There is no time to teach him to learn him game. It's unfortunate, but i'm starting to think he'll never be the best player he can be in montreal.
All teams have projects. Him being a project didn't exactly hurt the team last year so it shouldn't this year either.

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I don't think Lats will be traded, unless it's as part of a package. The potential for a Leclair scenario is way too high.quote]

Of all the statements I have seen, this has to be the most absurd!

Leclair had more potential in his pinky than Lats has in his entire body!

There is NOT ONE aspect of a hockey player that Latandress even REMOTELY comes to a John Leclair.

I remember Leclair, even as a rookie wearing #17.

He could skate, he could shoot, you simply could NOT get the puck away from him nad oh yea, Big John has loads of hockey sense.

You couldn't GIVE Latandress away.

Lats potential is more Steve Begin than John Leclair!
Leclair was never an above average skater, not as a rookie or in his prime in Phillie.

They have tons of similarities...size, skating, hands. The big difference is that Lats was developing in the NHL at 19 while Leclair was in college until 22 or 23.

Comprating Lats to Begin is not only ridiculous but entirely comical.


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12-13-2008, 10:58 PM
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[QUOTE=Carey Price;16802626]All teams have projects. Him being a project didn't exactly hurt the team last year so it shouldn't this year either.
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Leclair was never an above average skater, not as a rookie or in his prime in Phillie.

They have tons of similarities...size, skating, hands. The big difference is that Lats was developing in the NHL at 19 while Leclair was in college until 22 or 23.

Comprating Lats to Begin is not only ridiculous but entirely comical.
It sure did hurt in the 2008 playoffs, and I wish Lats were playing as well as Bégin this season (he's not). Also, Lats is no longer 19 and he's in his 3rd NHL season. As for Leclair, he was a playoff hero in 1993 at a point in his career in which he had no more NHL games under his belt than Lats has now.

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12-13-2008, 11:42 PM
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Wow! Three pages and still nobody has the answer...

Two years ago Lats hit some poor schlep (sorry can't remember his name) and ended his career. This is the whole issue with Lats, nothing more, nothing less. He has been soft ever since.

If I was BG (I wish...) I would send Lats to a sports shrink, then I'd get his teammates to jump him in the locker room and beat the crap out of him, finally I'd get Carbo, Muller, and Jarvis to continuously poke him, smack him upside the head every 10 seconds behind the bench. This would turn him back into the mean SOB we drafted and everyone would be chanting Gui Gui! All over again!


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12-14-2008, 12:04 AM
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Of all the statements I have seen, this has to be the most absurd!
Don't be ridiculous. He may not become Leclair, sure, but then the odds of him being a winger for a Lindros-like center are quite low. But the odds are that he has 30-35 goal potential (and that's the truth no matter what the Lats haters say) and that would be a serious downer for the Habs who have been looking for that kind of player in forever.

I'd rather he reach full potential with the Habs, thank you very much. The guy was part of the same draft as Sergei and D'Agostini, after all, and those two aren't held to the same standards on this board.

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12-14-2008, 12:08 AM
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It sure did hurt in the 2008 playoffs
Inches. If he hadn't hit that crossbar in Game 5 with the winning goal on his stick (after having embarassed Hatcher out of his jockstrap) we're not having this discussion -- unfortunately, Lats had the same bad luck finishing as the rest of the team in that series.

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Also, Lats is no longer 19 and he's in his 3rd NHL season.
Lats may be in his 3rd NHL season, but he's also the same age as Sergei Kostitsyn and Matt D'Agostini. Therefore, I fully expect you to hold them to the same standards and demand that they be dumped to the curb, should they fail to match Lats' first- and second- season output of 16 goals. After all, they are older and have had more seasoning, surely they should easily be able to best a feat that the bust Latendresse did, right?

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12-14-2008, 01:50 AM
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Did you guys heard on CKAC Carbonneau talking about Latendresse? He said that Latendresse needs to play with more intensity like..... Milan Lucic! Yep, i made that comparaison about a week ago but got laughed at. Carbo basically said he wants Latendresse to play like Lucic, but he doesnt need to fight and leave a guy motionless on the ice but he just needs to be more intense and aggresive.

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12-14-2008, 03:02 AM
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All teams have projects. Him being a project didn't exactly hurt the team last year so it shouldn't this year either.
I never said he's dragging the team down, I'm saying it's unfortunate for him, because when you play, coaches tell you, go out, play your best, make your mistake, and learn from them. You can't make mistakes, you can't learn your game a team with stanley cup aspirations. It just doesn't work that way. There's a lot of pressure, a lot of expectations, yes, they don't feed into the expectations, but the coaches and management have something expected of them. At some point if latendresse, potential or not, isn't part of the solution...That's why he gets benched and prob will again.

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12-14-2008, 07:18 AM
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Wow it's surprising someone in the American media can really sum up both NHL players so well.

Poor Gui, he came in and scored 16 goals and everyone expected him to be the saviour. I still think he will be a very good player, but patience is not the best characteristic of the Montreal fanbase. Immediate results are needed. But we see it time and time again with powerforwards, it just takes time. However for every Neely and Leclair, there are Terry Ryans and Brad Isbisters. What separates Gui from the latter is that he actually seems to have hockey sense.
im a pretty patient guy but we waited 3 years and i see no progress, i actually think his skating got worse. but i don't blame him, i blame the organization he should have had one more year with his junior team and then started in hamilton the year after.

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im a pretty patient guy but we waited 3 years and i see no progress, i actually think his skating got worse. but i don't blame him, i blame the organization he should have had one more year with his junior team and then started in hamilton the year after.
Seeing the same here, and just like you I wonder if the org. did the right thing keeping him...

Instead of just telling him what they expect, e.g. playing like Lucic, they should teach him, shape him into that kind of player if that's what they want... the guy never played that way, don't go thinking he'll do it just because you said that's what you want him to do.

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Lats potential is more Steve Begin than John Leclair!
Why are you insulting Begin? Steve plays with fire and drive.

Fire to Lats means that stuff that burns if you touch it and drive is what he likes to do in his souped up car.

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Wow! Three pages and still nobody has the answer...

Two years ago Lats hit some poor schlep (sorry can't remember his name) and ended his career. This is the whole issue with Lats, nothing more, nothing less. He has been soft ever since.

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Wow! Three pages and still nobody has the answer...

Two years ago Lats hit some poor schlep (sorry can't remember his name) and ended his career. This is the whole issue with Lats, nothing more, nothing less. He has been soft ever since.


If I was BG (I wish...) I would send Lats to a sports shrink, then I'd get his teammates to jump him in the locker room and beat the crap out of him, finally I'd get Carbo, Muller, and Jarvis to continuously poke him, smack him upside the head every 10 seconds behind the bench. This would turn him back into the mean SOB we drafted and everyone would be chanting Gui Gui! All over again!

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For those who haven't notice yet, Latendresse IS NOT A POWERFORWARD AND NEVER WILL BE. He is NOT Milan Lucic. Its not his game. Latendresse is a big, talented playmaker/scorer that is capable of making heavy checks. He like to play a perimeter type game and will sometime try to go in the paying zone, but its not natural for him. He knows how to throw his body around, but he doesn't have a mean streak.

As soon as Carbonneau lets him play his game, he'll regain his confidence and will start putting up points.

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For those who haven't notice yet, Latendresse IS NOT A POWERFORWARD AND NEVER WILL BE. He is NOT Milan Lucic. Its not his game. Latendresse is a big, talented playmaker/scorer that is capable of making heavy checks. He like to play a perimeter type game and will sometime try to go in the paying zone, but its not natural for him. He knows how to throw his body around, but he doesn't have a mean streak.

As soon as Carbonneau lets him play his game, he'll regain his confidence and will start putting up points.
What so Carbonneau never let him play his game in the previous 3 seasons either? Can't pin everything on the coach - even Latendresse admitted he is not consistent at all.

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For those who haven't notice yet, Latendresse IS NOT A POWERFORWARD AND NEVER WILL BE. He is NOT Milan Lucic. Its not his game. Latendresse is a big, talented playmaker/scorer that is capable of making heavy checks. He like to play a perimeter type game and will sometime try to go in the paying zone, but its not natural for him. He knows how to throw his body around, but he doesn't have a mean streak.

As soon as Carbonneau lets him play his game, he'll regain his confidence and will start putting up points.
huh ? no he isn't. he is more a grinder type with hands, but a little on the slow side with NO mean streak.

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Wow? There are people here actually picking a bum like Ryder (biggest floater, puck-hog, turnover specialist) over a very young prospect with lots of promise?

F what a crock.

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That's right... He hasn't really been the same since. He doesn't have quite the same abandon.

He needs to get over it a bit. Be mindful of it, sure, but ultimately it's hockey and things happen.

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huh ? no he isn't. he is more a grinder type with hands, but a little on the slow side with NO mean streak.
Grinder type? Latendresse? Right.

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Wow? There are people here actually picking a bum like Ryder (biggest floater, puck-hog, turnover specialist) over a very young prospect with lots of promise?

F what a crock.
He's capable of great things I believe. If only he could play his natural game with more consistency.


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He's capable of great things I believe. If only he could play his natural game with more consistency.
He's just a kid....I'd be willing to take a chance to wait and see rather than have "paper airplane" flake Ryder on the team...sheesh, Ryder scores a couple goals and all these finger-pointers come out of the weeds lamenting our losing on the great Michael Ryder. It's comical.

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Grinder type? Latendresse? Right.
Latendresse, a playmaker/sniper yeah right.. and i like the big goof, imagine.

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