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12-15-2008, 01:44 AM
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Rangers and Panthers Shakeup

to Florida:
Petr Prucha
Scott Gomez
(Draft Pick)

to NYR:
Jay Bouwmeester

NYR are close to signing Mats. We all know this. We all know Sather is desperately trying to clear cap space to make this team a serious competitor in the East. But, lets face it. No matter how strong the offense is, there's no way NYR win the Stanley Cup this year with Redden and Roszival as their top dman. They need another top guy to anchor this team. So here they get it in a young and budding, franchise defenceman, Jay Bouwmeester who is a UFA at the end of the year.
Going the other way, the Rangers send Gomez who becomes expandable with the addition of Sundin. Prucha's name has been thrown around in numerous trade rumors and it has been stated many times that Prucha is on the block. So Florida gets a franchise Center in Scott Gomez to help rebuild around (Horton and Gomez is a solid one-two punch for a rebuilding team) as well as another Czech winger who will get a fresh start to try and reproduce like he did in his rookie year, since he hasnt been able to do that in New York and is been passed on the depth chart by others like Dubinsky, Dawes, and now Korpikoski is making his case to stay up with the big team. Both Gomez and Prucha are also under contract for a few more years, and Florida has the cap space to take on both their salaries. Whereas Jaybo will NOT be with the Panthers next year, as he refused to sign long term. So instead of loosing him for nothing, they make this deal and get themselves a 2nd line winger and a 1st line Center.
**Note: this trade only happens if Mats is already signed or guaranteed to sign with NYR**
What do you think?


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12-15-2008, 01:56 AM
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to Florida:
Petr Prucha
Scott Gomez
(Draft Pick)

to NYR:
Jay Bouwmeester

NYR are close to signing Mats. We all know this. We all know Sather is desperately trying to clear cap space to make this team a serious competitor in the East. But, lets face it. No matter how strong the offense is, there's no way NYR win the Stanley Cup this year with Redden and Roszival as their top dman. They need another top guy to anchor this team. So here they get it in a young and budding, franchise defenceman, Jay Bouwmeester who is a UFA at the end of the year.
Going the other way, the Rangers send Gomez who becomes expandable with the addition of Sundin. Prucha's name has been thrown around in numerous trade rumors and it has been stated many times that Prucha is on the block. So Florida gets a franchise Center in Scott Gomez to help rebuild around (Horton and Gomez is a solid one-two punch for a rebuilding team) as well as another Czech winger who will get a fresh start to try and reproduce like he did in his rookie year, since he hasnt been able to do that in New York and is been passed on the depth chart by others like Dubinsky, Dawes, and now Korpikoski is making his case to stay up with the big team. Both Gomez and Prucha are also under contract for a few more years, and Florida has the cap space to take on both their salaries. Whereas Jaybo will NOT be with the Panthers next year, as he refused to sign long term. So instead of loosing him for nothing, they make this deal and get themselves a 2nd line winger and a 1st line Center.

What do you think?
Did I miss something?

What happens if the Rags trade Gomez, and then Sundin goes to Vancouver the next day?

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12-15-2008, 02:00 AM
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Wait, Gomez is expandable? Is he a mutant? Someone needs to get Xavier on the horn.

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Did I miss something?

What happens if the Rags trade Gomez, and then Sundin goes to Vancouver the next day?
Obviously the Rangers won't be pulling the trigger on any deals until there is an agreement in principle with Mats. Unless of course his entire goal in this saga is to get teams to make silly deals then he just retires.

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Prucha has about as much value has a cardboard box.

It's the overpaid Gomez for Bouwmeester.

And Florida is totally ripped off.

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Prucha has about as much value has a cardboard box.

It's the overpaid Gomez for Bouwmeester.

And Florida is totally ripped off.
I agree with each of your points. This proposal is more of a "shakedown" than a "shakeup."

If the Rangers sign Sundin, then they are going to have to shed some salary and Prucha is one likely candidate. I would be pleased if the Panthers acquired him on the cheap, because he has played well and taken advantage of the limited opportunities he has be given to play this season.

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12-15-2008, 06:48 AM
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Lol at all the Ranger fans trying to unload Gomez for assets.

Understand that Gomez has one of the worst contracts in the league and a cap hit of 7.3 million for the next 6 years including this season.

He has --------- value. No team would take him off of waivers.

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I doubt Florida wants Gomez's garbage contract.

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Lol at all the Ranger fans trying to unload Gomez for assets.

Understand that Gomez has one of the worst contracts in the league and a cap hit of 7.3 million for the next 6 years including this season.

He has --------- value. No team would take him off of waivers.
I disagree that "no team" would take him off waivers... I think that there will be some desperate team that needs a top line center badly enough to take the chance on waivers. It would have to be a team that is rebuilding, as all contenders, with the exception of Vancouver, seem to be at their budget or at the cap.

but it wouldn't surprise me if a team like Atlanta (who needs a top center for Kovy and have been looking forever for this type of player) or Columbus (where we've heard about their search for a top line center every year) could take the chance and pick him up on waivers.

Certainly would be a hard to fit in their budget, but given how desperate some of these teams are in finding that center, it wouldn't be a surprise if they pick him up on waivers.

most teams of course wouldn't be able to even pick him up if they wanted him because of cap constraints.

and while his contract is horrible - he's got 5 more years after this season on his deal.

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Florida would probably tell Sather to piss-off. Though, they have done some very odd deals in the past, so you never know.

Still, that leaves us with a ton of money wrapped up in our defense. Assume Jaybo gets 6 mil to resign, thats 6.5 in Redden, 6 with Bouwmeester and 5 with Rozsival. Not such a great idea.

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Florida would probably tell Sather to piss-off. Though, they have done some very odd deals in the past, so you never know.

Still, that leaves us with a ton of money wrapped up in our defense. Assume Jaybo gets 6 mil to resign, thats 6.5 in Redden, 6 with Bouwmeester and 5 with Rozsival. Not such a great idea.
still i would pull the trigger on this deal if we get sundin, and then send either rozy or redden somewhere else, even if it was for (nearly) nothing

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Florida would probably tell Sather to piss-off. Though, they have done some very odd deals in the past, so you never know.

Still, that leaves us with a ton of money wrapped up in our defense. Assume Jaybo gets 6 mil to resign, thats 6.5 in Redden, 6 with Bouwmeester and 5 with Rozsival. Not such a great idea.
Giving 17.5M$ for 3 defensemen isn't the problem... giving 17.5M$ for Bouwmeester, Redden and Rosival is .

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Florida would probably tell Sather to piss-off. Though, they have done some very odd deals in the past, so you never know.
Since JM's been around?

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Just like the old pre-lockout days, the Rangers can suffer with the contracts they signed.

Good luck resigning Dubinsky and eventually Staal.

Will they ever learn?

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If the Panthers can take Gomez' contract - Jaybo would've been signed already to a long-term deal by them.

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still i would pull the trigger on this deal if we get sundin, and then send either rozy or redden somewhere else, even if it was for (nearly) nothing
Rozsival and Redden aren't going to go for nearly nothing, we'll probably end up on the losing end of both deals.

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Giving 17.5M$ for 3 defensemen isn't the problem... giving 17.5M$ for Bouwmeester, Redden and Rosival is .
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Since JM's been around?
Point taken. I'm not to up-to-date on the Panthers management.

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Just like the old pre-lockout days, the Rangers can suffer with the contracts they signed.

Good luck resigning Dubinsky and eventually Staal.

Will they ever learn?
Probably not, but re-signing Staal and Dubinsky probably won't be as big of a problem as many are anticipating. Staal needs a raise the same year Naslund comes off the books, and his lack of offensive contributions make his potential salary a little bit less tough to swallow. Dubinsky started off hot, but hasn't done much of late. Unless he completely takes off, I doubt he gets more than 2.5 mil.

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I think fans of other teams just assume Florida has a bunch of cap space, because of how cheap they may have been in the past. Florida is about 2 million away from the cap. I think they could have more room if they put Allen on LTIR, but I think they might be holding out hope he can make it back by the end of the year.

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Probably not, but re-signing Staal and Dubinsky probably won't be as big of a problem as many are anticipating. Staal needs a raise the same year Naslund comes off the books, and his lack of offensive contributions make his potential salary a little bit less tough to swallow. Dubinsky started off hot, but hasn't done much of late. Unless he completely takes off, I doubt he gets more than 2.5 mil.
that all depends on their contract situations overall...

I'm not even looking at Staal yet, since he's got another year on his deal... my concern from the Rangers POV would be Dubinsky and Zherdev... both RFAs after this year, both deserving of raises, and the rangers have all their high end players locked up long term with no salary coming off the books.

add in that those 2 are just 2 of 10 RFAs the rangers have, and even if the rest just get very minor raises or are qualified for the minimal increase, it will still take the salary up overall.

IMO, the rangers are prime for RFA offer sheets next year to those 2 guys. And I doubt that teams that have cap space (to use Vancouver as an example) would blink an eye at spending $3.5mill for each of those guys - and IMO you may not even need to spend that much, given the lack of flexibility the rangers have.

I'd give up a 1st and 3rd for either of those guys - and that could be done with a $3.9mill to either one of them.

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Why do the Panthers need a shakeup...like this? No.

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that all depends on their contract situations overall...

I'm not even looking at Staal yet, since he's got another year on his deal... my concern from the Rangers POV would be Dubinsky and Zherdev... both RFAs after this year, both deserving of raises, and the rangers have all their high end players locked up long term with no salary coming off the books.

add in that those 2 are just 2 of 10 RFAs the rangers have, and even if the rest just get very minor raises or are qualified for the minimal increase, it will still take the salary up overall.

IMO, the rangers are prime for RFA offer sheets next year to those 2 guys. And I doubt that teams that have cap space (to use Vancouver as an example) would blink an eye at spending $3.5mill for each of those guys - and IMO you may not even need to spend that much, given the lack of flexibility the rangers have.

I'd give up a 1st and 3rd for either of those guys - and that could be done with a $3.9mill to either one of them.
I'm certainly not saying it's a non-issue, but I do think it can be done. I think if it comes down to people offer-sheeting either of them, they'll probably wind up taking the picks. However, I think the likelihood of them both being lost to offer-sheets is minimal.

Zherdev will easily get more than $3.9 mil from Sather, but Dubinsky is different. He hasn't been the difference maker that Zherdev has been, and the organization is deep at center as it is. If someone offered Dubi anything over $3 mil, I think Sather would take the picks.

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The Rangers should just unload a bunch of expensive junk on the Canucks, since the Canucks have a ton of cap space and aren't going to be spending it on Sundin.

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After hearing everything a man could have heard about all this Sundin rangers, canucks, habs garbage I feel the Rangers are the closest team to signing him.

Everyone knows what slats is like, hes probably sitting back with his cigar right now trying to make a crazy deal thats going to be risky. I live in Vancouver but am a huge Rangers fan and I have heard a lot of these Florida rumors going around. Jaybo for Prucha, Gomez and draft pick this is to free up cap, I think this will happen!

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That Rangers had a hot start and are sliding back to earth. They want Mats Sundin, today's flavor, and are willing to part with any of last year's flavor(Gomez/Drury) to make it happen.

Florida. They have lost twice in regulation in the last 11 games. They are 2nd in their division and closing in on a real chance at a playoff spot. Do they want to trade their best player? Not a chance.

They may need to, but they won't do it til the last minute hoping that the team will do well enough to convince Bouwmeester to stay.

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to get sundin for this year the rangers need to move 2.5 million and that is it

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