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12-15-2008, 12:46 AM
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Min - Atl

Atlanta gets -

Marian Gaborik

Minnesota gets -

Ilya Kovaluchuk

Atlanta GM Don Waddell has been in attendence for the last two Wild games, and Wild GM Doug Risebrough and Waddell were spotted talking at intermission.

Minnesota might have to give up something else to make this trade work; Marian and his glass groin scream risk. But when healthy, he is one of the most electrifying players in the game today.

Thoughts?

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12-15-2008, 01:05 AM
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Your new so we'll let this one slide.

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Atlanta would be foolish to do this.

Even if you look past Gaboriks injury history, and the fact that he's on the shelf now, he is also in the final year of his contract. Kovalchuk has another year left on his deal. If the Thrashers deal Kovy, it will be because they know he won't resign there. Do you think there's any reason to believe Gaborik would either? It would be like trying to cure a migraine by hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.

In essence, Atlanta would be speeding up the eventual departure of a superstar.

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12-15-2008, 02:22 AM
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Gaborik for Kovalchuk probably won't happen, but the OP is not lying about Waddell watching 2 Wild games and talking to Risebrough (Link, towards the bottom of the blog post).

There's definitely something brewing there, but it doesn't neccesarily involve the superstars.

The Wild is hurting for offense, anybody half-decent (prefferably a center) who can put the puck in the net will do at this point. We have several supposedly offensive defensemen to offer (Zidlicky, Johnsson, Bergeron), or if you need a supposedly reliable defensive guy, you can have Skoula. At this point, even the supposedly talented Pouliot and Sheppard can be had for some immediate help.


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12-15-2008, 02:58 AM
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My guess is the Wild are interested in getting Todd White back or something random like that.

OP- Kovy is a better, more consistent, more durable player than Gaborik and has 2 two years on his contract compared to Gaborik's 1. If either of these teams trades their superstar it will be for something to make their team better long term, not short term, and for a team to want either of these players they must have a legit shot at the cup this season (or next in Kovy's case I suppose, but really this year would make a lot more sense if they are making the deal now).

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12-15-2008, 04:39 AM
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I wish this was the first time this ridiculous trade has been proposed.

It's just wrong

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12-15-2008, 05:47 AM
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Kovalchuk is a superior player to Gaborik without factoring in him being a big injury risk and without factoring in the contracts Atlanta would still say no pretty quickly.

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12-15-2008, 06:09 AM
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This idea is quite Wild. However, Minny is looking for help on the offence (or at least should be looking based on last few games) and I don't really think Atlanta having many pieces fitting to that nead outside Kovalchuck.

Now, could Gaborik for Kovalchuck be made to work?

- Atlanta would have cap space to sign Gaborik to huge deal.

- Southeast is typically called the most open of all divisions (the opposite of Nortwest actually). With plenty of high scoring forwards before him, Gabby could be talked to sign in Atlanta (especially if his is after personal glory)

- Signed (1 season after this) Kovalchuck for unsigned Gaborik? There should be no deal, Atlanta isn't going anywhere this season, so having Gabby for rest of the season does absolutely nothing for them and they would get better return by trading Kovalchuk on deadline than acquiring Gabby for him and trading Gabby. So for Gabby to Kovy deal to come fruition, there must be contract understanding between Gaborik and Atlanta

- With Gabby's injury history (yes, he HAS had repeated groin injuries, that is an issue), I would say that Kovalchuk is worth more than Gabby signed to high priced contract (the only type I assume he will sign on). Therefore there need to be more going from Wild to Trashers.

- With good set of young defencemen in the fold already, I say Atlanta would prefer to have youg forward accompanying Gabby in the trade. Naturally prime targets would be Gillies and Pouillot (most likely in that order).

So, adding that up?

Minnesota gives: Marian Gaborik (agreed contract extension with Trashers), Colton Gillies
Minnesota gets: Ilya Kovalchuk

Atlanta gives: Ilya Kovalchuk, cap space (to sign Gaborik)
Atlanta receives: Marian Gaborik, Colton Gillies

Who is overpaying (except for Atlanta in Gaborik's hypothetical 8-9 million contract) or would it be fair?

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12-15-2008, 07:55 AM
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I highly doubt the Thrashers are going to move Kovalchuk for a guy who is going to be a UFA this offseason.

I think the Thrashers may be looking to move one of our underperforming forwards for one of yours. The Thrashers may want to create some roster space at the NHL level for Colin Stuart, so they could look to move someone like Eric Perrin(who seems like the kind of guy who would fit in with the Wild) for a middling prospect or a bottom line F with speed, size and grit who has a 2 way contract.

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Thrashers don't even think about it.

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12-15-2008, 08:09 AM
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Contract situation:

Kovalchuk > Gaborik

Durability

Kovalchuk > Gaborik

Player Quality

Kovalchuk > Gaborik

Why does Atlanta consider this?

Minnesota would have to sweeten the pot.

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12-15-2008, 08:44 AM
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If Minny and ATL make a deal then it will not involve Kovy. Gaborik might want money, but he isn't going to sign on a rebuilding team. He is going to a team coming out the gates like LA or an established club like the Nucks

If anything ATL is looking to move guys like

Kozlov - Would be difficult since he has a NTC and isn't interested in leaving
Perrin
Williams
Schneider

I think The Thrash want to get rid of of a D-Man so that our impressive rookies on D: Valabik and Oystrick can stay up.

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12-15-2008, 10:49 AM
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Gaborik and Hossa are going to sign with the same team next summer. Why would any team take the risk of trading for Gaborik right now?

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12-15-2008, 11:47 AM
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Wild are looking to trade Gaborik and/or an offensive defenseman. Probably Bergeron or Zidlicky. Unless we move Gaborik for picks (that we might package in a trade for offensive forwards), nothing else makes sense.

Minny wants a scoring forward who's under contract after this year. Atlanta doesn't want to move Kovalchuk and probably won't move their only young scoring threat, Bryan Little. Kozlov is too old, White is a checking line center in the Wild system who doesn't score goals.

My only guess is potentially a trade involving Angelo Esposito.

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