HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Vancouver Canucks
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Kuzma:Gilman and Sundin's agent meet - All Sundin Talk here please!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-15-2008, 07:50 PM
  #976
ziploc
Registered User
 
ziploc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,364
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MKennedy View Post
and if he does it by Wednesday night...

Trevol Linden who?
They should announce it at the end of the game.

ziploc is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 07:52 PM
  #977
ziploc
Registered User
 
ziploc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,364
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind View Post
If Sundin does sign in Vancouver, then I think the reaction would be much bigger than the Luongo trade given all the hype since Summer.

It would definitely be front page news.
Ya think?

I've seen dogs wearing sweaters as front page news here in Vancouver.

I think it's fair to say Mats would get the front 10 pages, and probably 10 in the back as well, and possibly even a few comics.

ziploc is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 07:54 PM
  #978
Tripwyre
Registered User
 
Tripwyre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,076
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SopelFan View Post
Yes! Yes, yes...
T'is the season for Caesars. Extra spicy, please! Add a little tobasco... Honey Nut Cheerios, yum!

Tripwyre is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:03 PM
  #979
colonel_korn
Luuuuuuuuuu....lay?
 
colonel_korn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: St John's, NL
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,362
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripwyre View Post
T'is the season for Caesars. Extra spicy, please! Add a little tobasco... Honey Nut Cheerios, yum!
I laughed my ass off at Garrett's Clamato plug last night. It made me wish that Jim Hughson were still calling games for us so I could have heard the amazing awkward silence that would have ensued.

colonel_korn is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:09 PM
  #980
newostar
 
newostar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 519
vCash: 500
NEW ARTICLE in the Sun by Brad Ziemer. Pretty interesting. Seems like the theory that NYR are Mats first choice, only if they can make cap room will he join them, seems to be legit information.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...665/story.html

Quotes from JP Barry saying that Sundin needs "a little more information from one of the teams before making his final decision" and they should know (amongst themselves) the decision this week.

Ziemer speculates that the more information Sundin needs is how the Rangers will make room for him.

I personally think Barry will need to find out more about the status of Luongo in his meeting tomorrow...

newostar is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:11 PM
  #981
Zorbane
Registered User
 
Zorbane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,614
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by newostar View Post
NEW ARTICLE in the Sun by Brad Ziemer. Pretty interesting. Seems like the theory that NYR are Mats first choice, only if they can make cap room will he join them, seems to be legit information.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...665/story.html

Quotes from JP Barry saying that Sundin needs "a little more information from one of the teams before making his final decision" and they should know (amongst themselves) the decision this week.

Ziemer speculates that the more information Sundin needs is how the Rangers will make room for him.

I personally think Barry will need to find out more about the status of Luongo in his meeting tomorrow...
So basically its a news article on speculation. Like we don't have enough of those

(Nothing personal all directed at the media)

Zorbane is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:16 PM
  #982
Bobby Lou
We Surrender
 
Bobby Lou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The Crease
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,340
vCash: 500
In order for the Rangers to make it manageable Sundin would have to take a contract in the $5 million range, and Prucha and Kalinin would have to be waived. If the contract approaches $6 million Roszival must be moved on top of that; though then one of Prucha or Kalinin could most likely be kept.

The Rangers pretty much need a unilateral salary transfer of a combination of those three players (Kalinin, Roszival, Prucha) in the next four days.

Bobby Lou is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:19 PM
  #983
newostar
 
newostar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 519
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorbane View Post
So basically its a news article on speculation. Like we don't have enough of those

(Nothing personal all directed at the media)
No worries. I found it good to see quotes from JP Barry at least.

Kind of confirms that they are hoping NYR can up the ante on their offer to at least match Vancouver's money.

Wonder if NYR can't create the space by the roster freeze if Canucks win by default or if it will drag on until the new year. I'm guessing the latter.

newostar is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:20 PM
  #984
vancityluongo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 11,338
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by newostar View Post
No worries. I found it good to see quotes from JP Barry at least.

Kind of confirms that they are hoping NYR can up the ante on their offer to at least match Vancouver's money.

Wonder if NYR can't create the space by the roster freeze if Canucks win by default or if it will drag on until the new year. I'm guessing the latter.
Probably the latter.

vancityluongo is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:20 PM
  #985
The Bob Cole
Ohhhh Baby.
 
The Bob Cole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Centre Ice
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,635
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by newostar View Post
NEW ARTICLE in the Sun by Brad Ziemer. Pretty interesting. Seems like the theory that NYR are Mats first choice, only if they can make cap room will he join them, seems to be legit information.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...665/story.html

Quotes from JP Barry saying that Sundin needs "a little more information from one of the teams before making his final decision" and they should know (amongst themselves) the decision this week.

Ziemer speculates that the more information Sundin needs is how the Rangers will make room for him.


I personally think Barry will need to find out more about the status of Luongo in his meeting tomorrow...
Or the extent of Luongo's injury

Not to take away from my standpoint, I still believe he ends up as a Ranger.

The Bob Cole is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:22 PM
  #986
SedinFan*
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Lethbridge, Alberta
Posts: 10,543
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to SedinFan*
His first team has always been the Rangers, just look back at the beginning of this saga. It's no surprise, but hopefully the Rags somehow screw this up.

SedinFan* is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:24 PM
  #987
Shane
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 12,975
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeker View Post
His first team has always been the Rangers, just look back at the beginning of this saga. It's no surprise, but hopefully the Rags somehow screw this up.
Maybe Sather will pull a Pat Quinn and call him at one in the morning.

Shane is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:30 PM
  #988
Rover*
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 13,845
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shane View Post
Maybe Sather will pull a Pat Quinn and call him at one in the morning.
Indeed, sundin will be in sweden, so sather won't know the time difference and wake him up in the middle of the morning.

Rover* is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:30 PM
  #989
CCF23
Registered User
 
CCF23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Richmond, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,577
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to CCF23
If he's not a Canuck by the roster freeze, he won't be and is obviously just using our offer as leverage to make NY pay him what he wants. If money is an issue enough to make him not go to NY he'll be a Canuck by Friday.

CCF23 is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:39 PM
  #990
Finkle is Einhorn
Registered User
 
Finkle is Einhorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,737
vCash: 500
The longer this goes on, one thing becomes perfectly clear: most of these media analysts are absolutely clueless when it comes to the economics of the cap-era NHL. Doug MacLean was just on detailing how the Rangers could fit Sundin in by burying four guys in the minors, thus freeing a little more than $6 million. Tell me Doug, who replaces the three lost bodies? Will they be playing for free?

And this guy is throwing his name into the ring for vacant GM positions?!?

Finkle is Einhorn is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:40 PM
  #991
mrmyheadhurts
Registered Loser
 
mrmyheadhurts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,964
vCash: 50
So let's say for the moment that those of us who were saying that Barry was using the Canucks offer as leverage for more money from other teams were right.

Where does this leave the relationship between Gillis and Barry?

Does anyone think that when Sundin doesn't sign here we can kiss goodbye to Ohlund and the twins as well?

Of course, it was entirely within Gillis control to pull the offer off the table but he didn't and it appears Barry has used it to his advantage. Perhaps Gillis can use this as an act of good faith and get a better deal for the twins.

All interesting scenarios but it's obvious that Sundin's signing could have far reaching effects even though he won't be a Canuck.

mrmyheadhurts is online now  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:42 PM
  #992
OlliMackBjugStud
Registered User
 
OlliMackBjugStud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,675
vCash: 500
i guess in my mind, if he wanted to be a Canuck, he would have signed already. he clearly doesnt want to be a Canuck.

do we want to be NYR's sloppy seconds?

OlliMackBjugStud is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:43 PM
  #993
19nazzy
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 17,190
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmyheadhurts View Post
So let's say for the moment that those of us who were saying that Barry was using the Canucks offer as leverage for more money from other teams were right.

Where does this leave the relationship between Gillis and Barry?

Does anyone think that when Sundin doesn't sign here we can kiss goodbye to Ohlund and the twins as well?

Of course, it was entirely within Gillis control to pull the offer off the table but he didn't and it appears Barry has used it to his advantage. Perhaps Gillis can use this as an act of good faith and get a better deal for the twins.

All interesting scenarios but it's obvious that Sundin's signing could have far reaching effects even though he won't be a Canuck.
Given that Gillis was an agent he should understand.

19nazzy is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:44 PM
  #994
Finkle is Einhorn
Registered User
 
Finkle is Einhorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,737
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DR View Post
i guess in my mind, if he wanted to be a Canuck, he would have signed already. he clearly doesnt want to be a Canuck.

do we want to be NYR's sloppy seconds?
Call us Cuthbert.

Finkle is Einhorn is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:47 PM
  #995
Rover*
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 13,845
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DR View Post
i guess in my mind, if he wanted to be a Canuck, he would have signed already. he clearly doesnt want to be a Canuck.

do we want to be NYR's sloppy seconds?
Of course we want the rangers sloppy seconds cause it's not like sundin won't play hard and pout just cause he didn't get the rangers. He'll play hard and great irregardless of the fact that we aren't his first choice.

Rover* is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:53 PM
  #996
0123456789*
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,812
vCash: 500
^Sundin is such a sl**

0123456789* is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:55 PM
  #997
zepps
Registered User
 
zepps's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,659
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmyheadhurts View Post
So let's say for the moment that those of us who were saying that Barry was using the Canucks offer as leverage for more money from other teams were right.

Where does this leave the relationship between Gillis and Barry?

Does anyone think that when Sundin doesn't sign here we can kiss goodbye to Ohlund and the twins as well?

Of course, it was entirely within Gillis control to pull the offer off the table but he didn't and it appears Barry has used it to his advantage. Perhaps Gillis can use this as an act of good faith and get a better deal for the twins.

All interesting scenarios but it's obvious that Sundin's signing could have far reaching effects even though he won't be a Canuck.
Barry may be using the Canucks to leverage the Rangers, but that doesn't mean that Barry wouldn't like to see Sundin sign with the Canucks. The Rangers can't meet the offer made by the Canucks without a serious face life. Meaning less commission for Barry.

Barry doesn't have enough influence over Sundin to make him change his mind. Gillis has to understand that.

As for the Sedins/Ohlund, I don't want to hear about how other teams are interested willing to pay them $$$ , and that they're considering their options.

zepps is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:55 PM
  #998
parabola
Global Moderator
novus ordo seclorum
 
parabola's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: ಠ_ಠ
Posts: 41,072
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Battle Axe View Post
Call us Cuthbert.
Which one? This matters.

__________________
parabola is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 08:56 PM
  #999
The Bob Cole
Ohhhh Baby.
 
The Bob Cole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Centre Ice
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,635
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmyheadhurts View Post
So let's say for the moment that those of us who were saying that Barry was using the Canucks offer as leverage for more money from other teams were right.

Where does this leave the relationship between Gillis and Barry?

Does anyone think that when Sundin doesn't sign here we can kiss goodbye to Ohlund and the twins as well?

Of course, it was entirely within Gillis control to pull the offer off the table but he didn't and it appears Barry has used it to his advantage. Perhaps Gillis can use this as an act of good faith and get a better deal for the twins.

All interesting scenarios but it's obvious that Sundin's signing could have far reaching effects even though he won't be a Canuck.
So, you are saying that maybe Gillis is supporting Barry by keeping this offer there, knowing he probably wouldn't sign here, and in turn is going to get better deals on Ohlund and the Sedins for the help? I've thought of that the last couple weeks as well.

I don't think either is what likely happened or will happen. One contract should not sour another one. If they are professionals, there will be nothing personal involved in it.

The Bob Cole is offline  
Old
12-15-2008, 09:00 PM
  #1000
Finkle is Einhorn
Registered User
 
Finkle is Einhorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,737
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by parabola View Post
Which one? This matters.
Chris, of course. Total *** dumpster.

Finkle is Einhorn is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:28 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.