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12-15-2008, 07:26 PM
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How the **** can the guy be right when he has never watched an entire Q game of his life. You can have whatever opinion you want, though I would love to know how many entier OHL and WHL games you've seen....How is being from Saint John relevant to that debate? Might mean that you've seen a lot of Q games but does that make you see other games in the other 2 leagues? And then since that it seems that you hate that sort of hockey, how many Q games have you really seen?

Funniest thing about this is that often in these boards we keep being bashed 'cause we just go with heresay and don't really what we're talking about....which is EXACTLY what Quinn is doing as far as that subject goes....

By the way, that soft and stupid league in the past 10 years have seen how many of their teams either win the Memorial Cup or at least be in the final. Any soft and fluffy league, 'cause we are generalizing here, would not have sent a single team in that cup if the OHL and WHL would be that tough and that superior....
Because the link doesn't work, i would like to know where Quinn has never seen a full Q game in his life comes from.

Without some backing i would be more inclined to believe that a former NHL GM and the current junior coach has seen more games across the 3 junior leagues than any one of us.

You are getting very defensive regarding this and aren't bringing much of an argument and you are a poster i generally agree with.

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12-15-2008, 07:28 PM
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Funniest thing about this is that often in these boards we keep being bashed 'cause we just go with heresay and don't really what we're talking about....which is EXACTLY what Quinn is doing as far as that subject goes....
No he isn't. He is referring to the players from the Q at his camp. He is saying that out of the divers, many seem to be from there. Thats not hearsay.

Anyways, i don't want the greatest hockey country in the world to be represented by divers so i am glad he is calling them out.

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12-15-2008, 07:31 PM
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Anyways, i don't want the greatest hockey country in the world to be represented by divers so i am glad he is calling them out.
I'll take a Team Canada full of divers over a team Canada full of idiotic goons.

At least the divers learned how to play hockey well enough to corrupt it.

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I'll take a Team Canada full of divers over a team Canada full of idiotic goons.

At least the divers learned how to play hockey well enough to corrupt it.
WTF how does this have any relevance to what i said? The way you talk you make it seem like there are 2 categories of players. 1) divers 2) idiotic goons

lol obviously thats not the case..

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12-15-2008, 07:40 PM
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WTF how does this have any relevance to what i said? The way you talk you make it seem like there are 2 categories of players. 1) divers 2) idiotic goons

lol obviously thats not the case..
I was replying to you, but the comment about goons had more to do with the thread with mentions of the Q being full of nothing puff balls and fluff. Sorry if you misinterpreted that way.

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12-15-2008, 08:46 PM
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It's been a soft league for while. Since the times of the Morrisonette and their wins of the Memorial Cup with Michel Therrien, they've gotten more and more physical. But this year they've returned to where they were before. I've heard reports of NHL scouts saying they've been almost no hits this year since the fighting fan. Not only there's no fighting but the physical aspect is nowhere to be found, they barely touch each other. Developement-wise it may lead to disaster for the whole LJMQ.

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I don't know where he is taking his assumption. He did keep 3 players from the QMJHL on the team and the one who was sent home isn't a diver at all. It doesn't look like his own opinion because I'm sure he has never seen a QMJHL game of his life.

But... I can't deny that he is right. I totally agree with the fact that players can't finish their checks without taking a penalty. I've seen about 20 QMJHL games this year and it was always the same thing, players who showed a bit of grit ended up in the penalty box.

The league that I have always loved more than the NHL is turning into a joke.

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Try this link...

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...of-divers.aspx

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The league that I have always loved more than the NHL is turning into a joke.
Exactly!

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12-15-2008, 09:19 PM
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Anyway, I don't think he meant that the QMJHL players at the camp were divers, just that several players at the camp were divers and it looked like QMJHL hockey, which is true.

I just hope it'll shake things up a bit in the league.

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He repeated what he had heard elsewhere, because he did acknowledge that he hasn't seen a Q game this season.

Not a very intelligent thing to say. Mind you, I wasn't expecting anything more from the guy. After all, he DID coach the Laffs.

I do agree, though, that the Q doesn't produce the Bégins of the world anymore. The Q is not the problem. The midget AAA program is. Point à la ligne.

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It's quite simple.. in order to win the gold, team Canada doesn't need tons of talent because the Europeans have enough to compete with Canada. They need big/though/mean players to get the european (mostly russians and czechs) teams out of their game... The western league produces most of them, it's normal the WHL has more players than Ontario and Quebec combined.... the goal is not to assemble a great hockey team or to develope players, it's to get enough offensive firepower with the maximum level of grit.. because the goal is to win the gold medal and this recipie has been very effective in the past few years.

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Have you seen this year's roster? They're not that big/though/mean team we used to have.

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when did he say guys are diving? in the jr. team training camp?? that's just weird

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After a good column on Latendresse, La Presse's Ronald King talks about Pat Quinn's comments in monday's edition:

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I agree with him (a rare occurence). Quinn and people like him probably think that those stop signs players have on their backs are for vaginas (because female cat is such an ugly word). Old school mentality and all.

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12-16-2008, 02:28 AM
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Not really as it is against the rules. What because he is an elite player he is not obligated to follow the rules?
He can dive all he wants, if he gets caught well he'll get a 2min. End of Story.
It doesn't make him a bad player and everybody does it. It's not the end of the world and nothing to whine about.

Giving out 6Games of suspension for disrespectful and degrading comments, but giving out 2-3 games for hit to the head is something worthy of winning about.
Hockey players diving is ridiculous.

Soccer is the most played and watched sport in the world. Diving there is flagrant, doesn't make the sport any worse or less enjoyable. Same can be said about Hockey.

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12-16-2008, 03:43 AM
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Pat Quinn is definitely old school.

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It's quite simple.. in order to win the gold, team Canada doesn't need tons of talent because the Europeans have enough to compete with Canada. They need big/though/mean players to get the european (mostly russians and czechs) teams out of their game... The western league produces most of them, it's normal the WHL has more players than Ontario and Quebec combined.... the goal is not to assemble a great hockey team or to develope players, it's to get enough offensive firepower with the maximum level of grit.. because the goal is to win the gold medal and this recipie has been very effective in the past few years.
this is how they do it year after year. I am not so sure about this year's squad, but enough goals/maximum grit is the recipe to win gold yes.

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Because the link doesn't work, i would like to know where Quinn has never seen a full Q game in his life comes from.

Without some backing i would be more inclined to believe that a former NHL GM and the current junior coach has seen more games across the 3 junior leagues than any one of us.

You are getting very defensive regarding this and aren't bringing much of an argument and you are a poster i generally agree with.
Well to answer your first question it's an exageration without any proof but based on the fact that he DID say that he didn't see any Q games THIS YEAR.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...-se-defend.php

"Ce qu'on m'avait rapporté" What I've been told is that the good bodychecks were penalized in the Q.....didn't say what I saw....And on another link, that I didn't found, he TOTALLY said that he haven't seen a game in the Q this year.

So if the guy who's the head coach of a team that might need to see Q games in the process did not see any games this year, how the heck would he had the pleasure in seeing Q games in any other year since I don't think he was ever an amateur scout and if he once was, I would doubt that the Q was his territory. So no proof, but based on something nevertheless.

Very defensive? Well that's probably what happens when I'm responding to a Bruins fan.....old habits I guess. I know one thing. I see a lot more Q games through Internet than a lot of people. And I would be dumb to not see some kind of difference but mainly 'cause players, coaches and referrees are in an adaptation mode. Nobody has any idea what to do with those new rules. They will adapt and next year it should be better.

But again I was responding to the guy who said that 'cause he's living in the Maritimes and I guess it means he has the pleasure in seeing a lot of Q games, our league is the softiest and fluffiest of them all.....And again, my response was to know that, you actually have to compare it. So is living in the Maritimes makes you able to watch OHL and WHL games? If so, and you can actually compare it, well fine, so be it, it's your analysis and it's as good as mine, 'cause actually RIGHT NOW, they are not far from truth based on this year. But it seemed to me that those attacks were much more about the Q and not only this year. And my point is that while it might have been more true at some point without those new rules, doing better in the Memorial Cup, doing better in U-18 tournaments, as to be a proof that the Q might not be as bad as people would love it to be.

But let me make myself really clear here. I am not calling for any stupid racism like Tremblay is doing or anything like that. You go with people who you are confortable with and with a recipe that works. Canada has won so many tournaments in a row, who are we to dictate them how to run this team. Doesn't mean that as somebody who follows the Q a lot that I wish they would've invite Nicola Riopel to the camp. Same type of remark that the guys from Ontario are doing with Mike Murphy. I would have like to see Luke Adam being invited.

BUT IN NO WAY WILL I SAY IT'S RACISM OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF DISCRIMINATION. I don't believe in that. Doesn't mean I can have my own opinion though based on hockey decisions though. And will the "new rules" have been in order only this year, what was the reasons behind the few Q guys chosen in the years before? I do think that while we might not have enough 3rd and 4th liner specialist in the Q, I just think that this league has more merit than people will like it to be. Tons of things in the Q have become urban legends than people in hockey choose to believe. But the Q has to look itself in the mirror and also change the way they, and our minor hockey does some of the things. Time to change this around a little.

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12-16-2008, 08:06 AM
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It's been a soft league for while. Since the times of the Morrisonette and their wins of the Memorial Cup with Michel Therrien, they've gotten more and more physical. But this year they've returned to where they were before. I've heard reports of NHL scouts saying they've been almost no hits this year since the fighting fan. Not only there's no fighting but the physical aspect is nowhere to be found, they barely touch each other. Developement-wise it may lead to disaster for the whole LJMQ.
You are absolutley right and so is Pat Quinn. The Quebec league this season is the softest it has ever been. I have been a season ticket holder for the PEI rocket since they came here and this season I have seen more diving and flopping around than I have seen in the previous 4 or 5 combined. They pretty much eliminated fighting and the body checking went with it. Recently, at least with the Rocket, they have stepped up their physical play a bit due to the fact that fans were staying away in droves. Islanders like fast physical hockey and if the team is not winning or playing that style they won't go.

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I'm 99.9% sure Pat Quinn was at both QMJHL vs Russia games, so he's seen Q players in action...

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It wasnt really needed from Quinn, but what i got from this comment is. "I heasrd QJHML players were known for diving so when it was time to cut players, the good old a "talent égal", we picked guys from other leagues".

If it's good for canadiens to pick more quebecers a talent égal i guess it's also good for team canada picking guys from the west, no?

I really like Marshall and wouldve liked to see him there, but beside Goloubef all 6 other d-men had their spot on the team and i didnt see Goloubef play so i cant really say Marshall deserved to be there more then him. Beside that i think we can consider ourself lucky to have 3 players from the Q. 2 of them playing on the bottom 2 lines and i wouldve made a 3rd offensive line rather then 2 defensive line as we are lacking a bit of defensive players in this year's crop so with Hall/Schenn/Duschene/Kadri(pick 3) We surely dont have more then 2 Quebecers and it could only be 1 as well.

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It wasnt really needed from Quinn, but what i got from this comment is. "I heasrd QJHML players were known for diving so when it was time to cut players, the good old a "talent égal", we picked guys from other leagues".

If it's good for canadiens to pick more quebecers a talent égal i guess it's also good for team canada picking guys from the west, no?

I really like Marshall and wouldve liked to see him there, but beside Goloubef all 6 other d-men had their spot on the team and i didnt see Goloubef play so i cant really say Marshall deserved to be there more then him. Beside that i think we can consider ourself lucky to have 3 players from the Q. 2 of them playing on the bottom 2 lines and i wouldve made a 3rd offensive line rather then 2 defensive line as we are lacking a bit of defensive players in this year's crop so with Hall/Schenn/Duschene/Kadri(pick 3) We surely dont have more then 2 Quebecers and it could only be 1 as well.
Again, I'm not even discussing who should've been or could've been there. I know that this comment was not needed though. Funny thing about Marshall is that if there is one player that fits the mold of a tough physical presence it's him....

À talent égal....well as far as I'm concerned, Timmins style, à talent égal he doesn't go with Quebecers and at some point I agree 'cause for me there's no such thing as "un talent égal". There's always some little things that makes a player better in your own view.

The Q is in an adaptation mode. True that they need to find a way to be more physical without thinking that the referees will penalized them. But I also know one thing. Even if the Q could win a diving competition ahead of Despatie and others, AS A LEAGUE, who cares about the divers anyway? Sure don't invite them if you want those but you're telling me that EVERYBODY does it? I've rarely seen the guys that COULD have been invited using the dives too much. Luke Adam doesn't dive, Deschamps, Sauvé, Paquette, Marshall, Sauvé.....Those are the guys that could have made the team and as far as I'm concerned, they are not the biggest divers in the league....

As far as Marshall vs Goloubef or others, well I did see Goloubef play this year since he's mostly McDo's partner and he was OK. Nothing extraordiairy though. Like if I compare him to Brendan Smith, for me, it's almost night and day, in favor of Smith. (Just my analysis though..) Smith was cut not Goloubef, I guess Smith didn't have a good camp or/and it depends on the side they're playing and if they can or cannot play both sides. So far as this is concerned, it's irrelevant 'cause it becomes a hockey decision and their choice is obviously better than ours still it doesn't mean we can't have opinions.

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Did RDS make a big deal out of this!?!?!

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http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...fend-quinn.php

National team assistant Coach Boucher (LHJMQ) defends Quinn. Says he thinks Quinn is 100% right.

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