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12-16-2008, 10:28 PM
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Of course you're soooooooooooooooooooooooo clever to repeat it again and again, and try to make a point where there actually isn't...

Get a clue. We're struggling, we're in a losing streak after a great winning streak that somehow everybody seems to have forgotten, but of course you seem much more clever than everybody because YOU'RE PANICKING ZOMG!!!!!111!!1

Take your chill pills, seriously. This is freakin hockey, and this is a freakin sport. There are highs and lows in a season, like it or not.

What the hell did you expect anyway? To win every single game this year?!

We have a good team, but there are many good teams in this league and sometimes things just are not rolling. But of course it's way more clever to run into circles and scream that it's time to panic...

yep, i am FREAKING out.

The only thing i am clever at doing is pointing out fans egotism towards their team, so even when they go on streaks where they play terrible hockey, nothing ever phases them and its always just a "bad streak".
Im sorry that people such as myself have a hard time understand such a low work ethic and team chemistry with a team that did so well last year.
Besides a game here or there, how can you honestly say we have played anything close to good hockey this year?

No one is expecting them to go on 10 game winning streaks, but consistency or effort would be nice.

Just because we had 11 penalties, and we deserved most of them, does not give them a free pass.

But forget reality, they have more points than last year. And god forbid you say anything negative, it would make you clever.

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12-16-2008, 10:31 PM
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i would like to point out the lame excuse of injuries.

Hi Pittsburgh
Hi New Jersey
Hi Vancouver
Hi Minnesota
Hi Washington

Ohh i forget how well higgins, laraque and komi were playing this year. No wonder we lost 3 in a row.

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12-16-2008, 10:32 PM
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Yeah what a horrible team...we played a pretty good NHL team minus 4 of our best players(Koivu Price Higgins Komi) and played nearly 1/3 of the game shorthanded including 4-5 min 5 on 3.

I thought they put forth an excellent effort, but it's hard on all the players, the ones that are on PK are overworked and worn out, the ones tht are not play like 3 shifts a period and can't get into the game.

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12-16-2008, 10:36 PM
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i would like to point out the lame excuse of injuries.

Hi Pittsburgh
Hi New Jersey
Hi Vancouver
Hi Minnesota
Hi Washington

Ohh i forget how well higgins, laraque and komi were playing this year. No wonder we lost 3 in a row.
you know all of these teams have almost the same number of points than we do?

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12-16-2008, 10:40 PM
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Yeah what a horrible team...we played a pretty good NHL team minus 4 of our best players(Koivu Price Higgins Komi) and played nearly 1/3 of the game shorthanded including 4-5 min 5 on 3.

I thought they put forth an excellent effort, but it's hard on all the players, the ones that are on PK are overworked and worn out, the ones tht are not play like 3 shifts a period and can't get into the game.
yep a team 27th in the league on the PP, currently ranked outside the top 8 who fired there coach a week ago. Not to mention missed the playoffs the last 2 years,

And when people say they are playing poorly, its not just one game. Just because you couple 5 good games in the middle of 10 poor ones dosent make the canadiens unlucky or "just on a bad streak' it makes them inconsistent.

Im not trying to **** disturb which some of you think im doing, but i cant understand the total blind opinions that its due to injuries or a bad streak, or we havent hit our groove. It it wasnt for our opening 10 games where many said we were lucky to win most of those games, we would be 10th-11th right now in the conference.

Its just an opinion.

ZOMG!! im freaking out!!

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12-16-2008, 10:43 PM
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I'm really not freaking out. Remember the loss vs Nashville when we led 3-0 last year? Remember when Thibault shut us out last year? Remember when Ribeiro schooled us last year? Remember Andrei being benched most of the first 10 games and not playing a lot last year? No! Why? Because all that stuff happened before the holiday break...before the team got it's stride, before we won games consistently. Panic if we don't get better by next month, don't panic now.

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12-16-2008, 10:43 PM
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you know all of these teams have almost the same number of points than we do?
yes but we have only ahd 1 long term injury thus far. Its only 3 games we are missing price, koivu and higgins.

Brodeur, Rolston, Luongo, Demnitra, Gaborik, Gonchar, Fleury, Whitney, Semin, Green, etc etc were all out for weeks, and some months. Sure they lost some games, but all of them have managed to play consistent hockey and other players have picked up the slack.

Have you seen any of our key players pick up any slack after the first 3 games without Koivu or Price?

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12-16-2008, 10:59 PM
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Look at the 1-4-1 record vs. these mediocre teams (where we're headed if we don't wake up): Tampa, Carolina, Toronto, NY Islanders. Count in fortunate wins vs. St. Louis, Florida, the Isles, Ottawa and Atlanta and we're clearly not a team who shows up when the opponent isn't "in our league." We get a better team on Thursday but it seems we lose to anyone these days, not just bad teams. Philly is on a real roll, about to climb over us in the standings (we're plummeting toward 8th and a loss to Buffalo will officially be the breaking point IMO for Gainey to stop standing pat) and they arguably have more skill than us at the moment.

Injuries are a poor excuse and let me tell you why. When we were healthy, did we play well? Not really. Even at 8-1-1 we knew the signs were there for a slump. We had faith they'd rectify it. Instead, we are chumps to Boston and others who have performed to par and better. The Habs are just a one-dimensional team that opponents seemingly have figured out. They are not overly reliant on the PP this season because a league worst PP (or near it) would sink any team. With even an average PP we'd be near Boston and perhaps 20 wins. The Habs have blown plenty of games with awful PP work. This, PP aside, is better than last year's team at this point, when we were a mere 3 games above .500.

But then we tore it up after December. This team right now seems to lack that morale. It's gut check time and once again the Habs will have to use the road to turn their slide around. The fact that the team hasn't rallied around it shows bad team chemistry. We had it right but things always sour in Habland. This is a franchise that hasn't posted two straight "Good seasons" since 03-04 and 05-06 but those were separated by a lockout, so really 92-93 and 93-94 was the last time the franchise was a consistent winner.

We lost to Tampa with Saku, but have looked no better without him and totally discombobulated so **** the injury excuse. If we play like we're super amazing when guys return, I was wrong. But did Higgins and Dandy contribute a lot? They were just healthy bodies, now replaced by rookies who are at least getting some experience. We've lost with veteran teams, young teams, mixed teams, I'm sick of losing. Let's be a 4-6 seed. I don't want to be the typical Habs lose in the 1st round unless we get an upset team.


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12-16-2008, 11:02 PM
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Late breaking news.The Habs just made a big spash and signed 3 powerplay specialists to guide our team.



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12-16-2008, 11:05 PM
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you know all of these teams have almost the same number of points than we do?
Yes but they can score goals,we can't with a full lineup

But again I really don't expect Bob to make a move

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12-16-2008, 11:27 PM
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Everyone know at this point that we wont end the year first in the East, now just let focuss on making the playoffs, improve on the details, play the kids, win more games than we lose, have a strong finish to get ready for the ultimate war..

Habs just cant finish lower than the Canes, Panthers, the Leafs, the Sens, Trashers, Tampa, Islanders.. We are a good team going through some injury and inconsistency trouble but its better to happen now than late in the season.. No need to panic at this point, just forget the first place in the East and take a deep breath..

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12-16-2008, 11:47 PM
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i say we play out the rest of the year and in the offseason sign the important players to deals(koivu, komi, kosto) and bring up some youngsters from the minors next season. Basically keep developping our young players and hopefully down the road, well have a team capable of competing for a cup because this obviously isnt the year.

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12-16-2008, 11:50 PM
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i say we play out the rest of the year and in the offseason sign the important players to deals(koivu, komi, kosto) and bring up some youngsters from the minors next season. Basically keep developping our young players and hopefully down the road, well have a team capable of competing for a cup because this obviously isnt the year.
the intensity level change in playoffs.. A team like MTL can be pretty dangerous.. When everyone push in the same direction, the Habs are something to watch.

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12-17-2008, 12:03 AM
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why wouldnt they be pushing in the same direction right now? if teams like the sharks , the wings, flyers, bruins are doing it now the habs should be doing too. You cant suck all year (assuming this trend continues) and just magically turn everything to gold come playoff time. Whens the last time a cinderella team won the cup?

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12-17-2008, 12:07 AM
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Look at the 1-4-1 record vs. these mediocre teams (where we're headed if we don't wake up): Tampa, Carolina, Toronto, NY Islanders. Count in fortunate wins vs. St. Louis, Florida, the Isles, Ottawa and Atlanta and we're clearly not a team who shows up when the opponent isn't "in our league."
This kinda thing always worries me. That and the inability to score more than 1 goal against the conference's last place team, 2 goals in 2 games against washington (who hardly plays a defense-first game), now 11 games with 2 or less goals...

It's still kind of early in the season, so there's no need to hit the big red PANIC button. But many guys have had chances to show their character in the face of adversity, and not many have shown any so far. The writing is on the wall (despite the record/points), and I'm still waiting to see who is gonna step up and erase it.

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12-17-2008, 12:18 AM
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why wouldnt they be pushing in the same direction right now? if teams like the sharks , the wings, flyers, bruins are doing it now the habs should be doing too. You cant suck all year (assuming this trend continues) and just magically turn everything to gold come playoff time. Whens the last time a cinderella team won the cup?
The wings have been struggling lately, its a long season.. Whats the most important is to be at our peak near the end of the season to bring this momentum in playoffs.. Our kids have to show signs of improvement too.. A guy like DAgostini is playing some incredible and unexpected hockey, what will give some pretty interesting fights when everyone is healthy..

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Jesus Christ...so much drama. Nobody will care how we did as of December 16 2008 if we win the Stanley Cup which, I'll remind you, is still very much a possibility as long as we make it to the post-season.

Why do people care about dominating now? What, are we trying to win the President's Trophy? Are people upset that the Bruins are ahead of us? What is it? Like I said in the other topic, our play hasn't been very inspiring all year, but let's at least wait until the season is over before declaring it a "nightmare". There's still 50 games left to play.
I agree and also what is the deal with the media and the whining babies on this board about our PP?? The last 2 seasons the Habs bread and butter relied souly on the PP ..That worked great in the regular season but come post season what does the opposing do?? STUDY!!!
How effective was our #1 PP in the post season last year or the year prior? Yeah that's what I thought, so just be thankful that we are where we are because of out 5 on 5 play. The PP will come eventually,plus I'm sure Bob will tinker with the lineup at some point.
Guy's you really need to relax and be proud of what he have as a favorite team.

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The wings have been struggling lately, its a long season.. Whats the most important is to be at our peak near the end of the season to bring this momentum in playoffs.. Our kids have to show signs of improvement too.. A guy like DAgostini is playing some incredible and unexpected hockey, what will give some pretty interesting fights when everyone is healthy..

You are comparing the Wings and the Habs?......Please... they are the defending champs and last time I look were battling for top spot in the west

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The last game was a joke, we should have won!

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You are comparing the Wings and the Habs?......Please... they are the defending champs and last time I look were battling for top spot in the west
What Im saying is that every teams have their slumps.. Actually nothing is working well, the lines arent clicking, our team havent been playing to our expectations, we arent ready to pay the price most of the nights and yes its worrying, this team seems to be lacking leadership at the moment but we should be patient and keep in mind its a long season and that the goal is winning the cup, not the conference title.. Usually, we dont take long to bounce back after a loss, now its 3 in a row but still nothing to push the panic button, unless Im wrong, its our longest slump so far this season? How many teams this year have lost more than 3 games in a row? I think aeveryone know we have what it takes to step up, its not a lack of talent, a failure in the system or something dramatic, just a lack of commitment from some of our guys not feeling the heat yet!

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Jesus Christ...so much drama. Nobody will care how we did as of December 16 2008 if we win the Stanley Cup which, I'll remind you, is still very much a possibility as long as we make it to the post-season.

Why do people care about dominating now? What, are we trying to win the President's Trophy? Are people upset that the Bruins are ahead of us? What is it? Like I said in the other topic, our play hasn't been very inspiring all year, but let's at least wait until the season is over before declaring it a "nightmare". There's still 50 games left to play.
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injuries or not...
better record than last year or not...

does any one REALLY think that our roster, as is, has what it needs to have playoff success?

i mean I know sometimes teams come out of nowhere and have "miraculous" runs to the finals (Flames, Ducks -year they lost-, Oilers in recent memory), but even at that, in looking back at those rosters, they may not have had the offensive talent the 08-09 habs have, but overall I'd say their rosters had a better mix of talent/grit which allowed them to handle the playoffs.

this habs team just doesn't have it, imo, and until Gainey gets his act in gear and tries to give this team an identity (hard to buy the fast skating, explosive hockey, when your offseason involves adding Lang and Laraque, or when your head coach prefers a trapping style of play)...

I love the talent this roster has, and I love that the Habs have great organizational depth, but winning a cup takes more than talent, and all the prospect depth in the world means squat if your NHL roster can't hack it.

something's gotta give

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When Montreal loses ten in a row with a 5 or more game scoring drought, little effort, and dominated every game by the opposition, then you have a point.

Until then, go buy yourself a box of tissues.

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i think we should wait another month before pressing the panic button.
If in a month things have not changed then a coach change or a big trade might be an option

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