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12-21-2008, 09:47 PM
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OK, so we are now at the X-mas break... time for a scorecard on the Habs.

C. Price: A-
A. Kovalev: B-
A. Tanguay: B-
R. Lang: B+
S. Koivu: A
A. Kots: C
S. Kots: C
A. Markov: A
T. Plekanec: D
R. Hamrlik: B
C. Higgins: C
G. Lat: C
S. Begin: B
M. Lapierre: B
M. D'Agostini: A
T. Kosto: B-
J. Halak: B
F. Bouillon: B-
J. Gorges: B
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: C
R. O'Bryne: D


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12-21-2008, 09:56 PM
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OK, so we are now at the X-mas break... time for a scorecard on the Habs.

C. Price: A-
A. Kovalev: C+
A. Tanguay: C+
R. Lang: B+
S. Koivu: A
A. Kots: C
S. Kots: C
A. Markov: A
T. Plekanec: D
R. Hamrlik: B
C. Higgins: C
G. Lat: C
S. Begin: B
M. Lapierre: B
M. D'Agostini: A
T. Kosto: B-
J. Halak: B
F. Bouillin: B-
J. Gorges: B
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: C
O'byrne: F

I would give Kovalev at least a B though. Give Halak an A-, well deserved.

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12-21-2008, 10:05 PM
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C. Price: A
A. Kovalev: C+
A. Tanguay: B-
R. Lang: B+
S. Koivu: A
A. Kots: C
S. Kots: C
A. Markov: A
T. Plekanec: C-
R. Hamrlik: B
C. Higgins: C
G. Lat: B-
S. Begin: B
M. Lapierre: B
M. D'Agostini: A
T. Kosto: B-
J. Halak: A-
F. Bouillion: B-
J. Gorges: B+
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: C
R. O'Bryne: D+

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12-21-2008, 10:09 PM
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C.Price: A
J.Halak: B

A.Markov: B+
R.Hamrlik: B
M.Komisarek: C+ (wasn't good before injury, looked good since coming back so far)
J.Gorges: B+
F.Bouillon: C (hasn't been good lately)
P.Brisebois: C
M.Dandenault: B
R.O'Byrne: E

S.Koivu: A
A.Tanguay: B-
M.D'Agostini: A+
A.Kovalev: B-
T.Plekanec: D+
A.Kostitsyn: C+
S.Kostitsyn: C
R.Lang: B
C.Higgins: C
G.Latendresse: C
M.Lapierre: B+
T.Kostopoulos: B
S.Begin: B
G.Laraque: C+

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12-21-2008, 10:15 PM
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C. Price: A-
A. Kovalev: B-
A. Tanguay: B+
R. Lang: B+
S. Koivu: A-
A. Kots: C+
S. Kots: C
A. Markov: A
T. Plekanec: D+
R. Hamrlik: B
C. Higgins: C-
G. Lat: C
S. Begin: B
M. Lapierre: B
M. D'Agostini: A
T. Kosto: B-
J. Halak: B
F. Bouillon: C+
J. Gorges: B
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: C+
R. O'Bryne: D


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12-21-2008, 10:17 PM
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[QUOTE=C-Saku Koivu MTL;16936171]C.Price: A
J.Halak: B

A.Markov: B+
R.Hamrlik: B
M.Komisarek: C+ (wasn't good before injury, looked good since coming back so far)
J.Gorges: B+
F.Bouillon: C (hasn't been good lately)
P.Brisebois: C
M.Dandenault: B
R.O'Byrne: E
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Really? You give Komi a C+?? Wow, that seems harsh considering what he brings...

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12-21-2008, 10:19 PM
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I just can't see how anyone can give Tanguay a C+ considering he is our leading scorer...

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12-21-2008, 10:21 PM
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C. Price: A-
A. Kovalev: B-
A. Tanguay: B-
R. Lang: B+
S. Koivu: b+
A. Kots: C+
S. Kots: C
A. Markov: B+
T. Plekanec: D+
R. Hamrlik: B
C. Higgins: C
G. Lat: D+
S. Begin: B-
M. Lapierre: C+
M. D'Agostini: A
T. Kosto: B-
J. Halak: B
F. Bouillon: C-
J. Gorges: B
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: C+
R. O'Bryne: D

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12-21-2008, 10:23 PM
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Really? You give Komi a C+?? Wow, that seems harsh considering what he brings...
Yeah maybe a bit but he really dissapointed me at the start of the year. I expected him to pick up his game after 5 or 10 games but he did'nt and then got hurt. Since coming back from the injury he is a B+ easily though.

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12-21-2008, 10:24 PM
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I just can't see how anyone can give Tanguay a C+ considering he is our leading scorer...
Agreed.

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12-21-2008, 10:27 PM
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I just can't see how anyone can give Tanguay a C+ considering he is our leading scorer...
Don't even try to underdstand... I guess those are the same who are giving Breezer a C- even if he's doing a great job as the 6th D-Man.

Here are mine :

C.Price: A-
J.Halak: B

A.Markov: A
R.Hamrlik: B
M.Komisarek: B-
J.Gorges: B
F.Bouillon: C
P.Brisebois: B-
M.Dandenault: B+
R.O'Byrne: F

S.Koivu: B+
A.Tanguay: B
M.D'Agostini: A+
A.Kovalev: B-
T.Plekanec: D+
A.Kostitsyn: C
S.Kostitsyn: C
R.Lang: A-
C.Higgins: C-
G.Latendresse: C
M.Lapierre: B+
T.Kostopoulos: B-
S.Begin: B
G.Laraque: C-

A: Playing awesome... Beyond expectations...
B: Playing good. Nothing out of this world, but steady.
C: Could play better, but not playing bad
D: Bad
E: Horrible
F: I don't want to see him in the lineup anymore


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12-21-2008, 10:27 PM
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Agreed.
You gave him a C+...

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12-21-2008, 10:38 PM
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You gave him a C+...
Thats a good point... maybe I should revise my score to B- since he is decent but somehow less than expected.

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12-21-2008, 10:42 PM
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Thats a good point... maybe I should revise my score to B- since he is decent but somehow less than expected.
I gave him B. Nothing spectacular or out of this world, but he's doing what I expected him to do. Leading scorer, setting up the teammates. I knew he was streaky, but who isn't on this team? Sometimes he looks invisible because the fact that he's always looking to setup his teammates instead of shooting the puck. This is his main default. However, even if he's not going into the traffic as much as let's say guys like Latendresse or D'agostini, I don't agree with those who say that he's a soft player. Along the boards, he's winning almost all his battles and is not that easy to knock off the puck. He's much less soft than Plekanec, and even is able to throw his weight from times to times.

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12-21-2008, 10:49 PM
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Price- A
Halak-B

Koivu- B
Tanguay: B-
Kovalev: C
Higgins- D
Plekanec: D
A Kost: C
S Kost: D
Latendresse: B
Dagostini: B
Kostopoulos: B
Lapierre: A
Begin: B
Laraque: C

Markov: A
Komisarek: B
Hamrlik: B
Georges: B
Bouillon: D
Brisebois: D

My ratings are the most thruthful ones.

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12-21-2008, 10:59 PM
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C. Price: A-
A. Kovalev: B+
A. Tanguay: B-
R. Lang: A-
S. Koivu:B
A. Kots: B-
S. Kots: B
A. Markov: B+
T. Plekanec: F
R. Hamrlik: B-
C. Higgins: D+
G. Lat: C+
S. Begin: B+
M. Lapierre: B
M. D'Agostini: A+
T. Kosto: C+
J. Halak: A-
F. Bouillon: C
J. Gorges: B+
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: C+
R. O'Bryne: D+

A: Playing awesome... Beyond expectations...
B: Playing good. Nothing out of this world, but steady.
C: Could play better, but not playing bad
D: Bad
E: Horrible
F: I don't want to see him in the lineup anymore

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12-21-2008, 11:02 PM
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C. Price: A-
A. Kovalev: B+
A. Tanguay: B-
R. Lang: A-
S. Koivu:B
A. Kots: B-
S. Kots: B
A. Markov: B+
T. Plekanec: F
R. Hamrlik: B-
C. Higgins: D+
G. Lat: C+
S. Begin: B+
M. Lapierre: B
M. D'Agostini: A+
T. Kosto: C+
J. Halak: A-
F. Bouillon: C
J. Gorges: B+
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: C+
R. O'Bryne: D+

A: Playing awesome... Beyond expectations...
B: Playing good. Nothing out of this world, but steady.
C: Could play better, but not playing bad
D: Bad
E: Horrible
F: I don't want to see him in the lineup anymore
The Kosts brothers are B's??? That just seems wrong.

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12-21-2008, 11:03 PM
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Ben Max not play enough to get rated ?. I would give him an F and sent back down to the minors. The dude hasn't shown anything in the few games he's played. I know were short handed but the sooner he gets sent back down the better.

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12-22-2008, 12:38 AM
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I would give Gorges an A....who would expect him to be +14 with 1 goal!

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12-22-2008, 12:47 AM
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C. Price: D-
A. Kovalev: F
A. Tanguay: C
R. Lang: D
S. Koivu: A
A. Kots: D
S. Kots: D
A. Markov: F
T. Plekanec: F
R. Hamrlik: F
C. Higgins: F
G. Lat: F
S. Begin: D
M. Lapierre: D
M. D'Agostini: D
T. Kosto: F
J. Halak: D
F. Bouillon: D
J. Gorges: D
M. Komisarek: F
G. Laraque: F
R. O'Bryne: A+

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While it's not mid-point in the season, the holiday break is as good as any to give the team some grades.

To clarify my grading scheme:

A is performing as expected.
B is performing below expectations but only marginally.
C is performing well below expectations.
D is performing poorly.
F is the failing to perform.

Here are mine:

Saku Koivu: A+. In terms of what I expected, Koivu's gone above and beyond. He's been energetic and an impact player virtually every game he's played, which is something that could not have been said about the captain since his early years. (That isn't to say that he'd take nights off, but he'd play a more cerebral game in recent years; picking his spots ... this year, he's been picking his spots and pouncing on them full bore). I've been thinking with this year's edition of Koivu that he could indeed still be a borderline point-per-game player if on a strong team, because he'd be able to play with an array of talent and make use of said talent, and also play behind other impact players ... For the first time, I now see Koivu as having the talent and ability to play late into his 30s and remain as an important component. Full marks for Koivu's beginning-of-season play.

Alexei Kovalev: B-. Kovalev works hard. While he has the reputation of an enigma, I creditted that to the Russian stereotype and his penchant for playing the sniper role ... that is, play quietly and pick your spots; lose coverage and pounce. This year Kovalev's been battling the pucks. I've found his skating a little more laborious than in the past. I don't see any chemistry between him and Plekanec, and you can see him force plays more than he usually has in the past. He's performed below expections, but not excessively. Considering the poor PP and his lack of chemistry on even strength, he's put up solid numbers.

Tomas Plekanec: D+. Awful year for him. The effort's there, but the drop-off in confidence and subsequently the drop-off in play is something. Where Plekanec was the first to races for the puck, he's now angled out easily; where he was able to retrieve pucks from board battles seemingly on each play, he now loses virtually every board battle he engages in. Plekanec's fundamentals, which had made him a valuable contributor and eventual front-line player last year, have been missing entirely. I think a renewed dedication to those fundamentals is what's needed right now ... when Higgins is back, I'd like to see Higgins and Plekanec as a duo. Both need to get back to their fundamentals. Plug D'Agostini or A.Kostitsyn on the other wing, but preferably the former as the latter may make the line feel too offensive for Plekanec/Higgins.

Chris Higgins: C-. He's been absent. And when he's played, he's played the perimeter. He's been stronger defensively this year actually, but I don't like this regression to playing the perimeter--something Higgins has done since Colin White injured him. Prior to that he used to charge the net. Haven't seen that in ages.

Andrei Kostitsyn: B-. I expected Kostitsyn to assert himself this year and push the 30-goal mark, eventually either being somewhat a benefactor of the Plekanec-Kovalev duo, or finally initiating the offense and being a catalyst of his own line. I still see that potential in him this year. That said, he's been streakier than I'd have liked, but he's also brought more physicality than I've seen previously. All in all, I'm not disappointed, and I think he's been the best of the young bunch ... but when everyone else is struggling, I'd like to see him pick it up more.

Sergei Kostitsyn: D+. I had high hopes for the younger Kostitsyn. I like his talent enough to think he's a potential point-per-game player. I see him in some ways as a younger Kovalev. Sure, not as strong, and not the skating as Kovalev had in his prime, but in the Kostitsyn can handle the puck at times. You'll see it occasionally on the PP. He's not the puckhandler Kovalev is, and I don't expect a similar career at all, but there are some eerie similarities. Nevertheless, S.Kost has been dogging it this year. I now believe whoever it was who claimed to know that S.Kost came into this year out of shape and not serious. He's looked sluggish. He's been reaching a whole lot. Some of his penalties have been selfish and others have been because he's incapable of keeping up with the pace. He's clearly not in game shape and is thinking he's better than he is. Hopefully this season won't be a wash altogether but if it is, I hope it's a tough lesson for him and that he'll learn from it.

Alex Tanguay: B+. Tanguay's performed below my expectations. I viewed him as a perimeter player who has very good talent and who would not carry a line, but could be part of a duo that would be excellent. I also saw him as someone you could throw him anywhere in this Hab lineup (since all three lines have some offensive skill, and Tanguay's not fickle about what offensive skill he finds chemistry with). What I've seen is that Tanguay's very skilled and his fundamentals are sound, but ultimately he shouldn't be a key component to your team. He's not really a core player. Notice where I even listed him here: below Koivu, Kovalev, Plekanec, Higgins and the Kostitsyn brothers. That wasn't by choice; it was by who came to mind first when thinking of forwards. While that's not necessarily indicative of anything other than my own potentially deranged mind, I happen to think it is indicative of who's most important for Montreal among the forward group. Tanguay's talent brings him to right below Kovalev level, but he doesn't have the former's ability to take over a game. Rather, he quietly puts up points. He's excellent as a team's 4th best forward. In that role, he'd be good for 70+ points, I'd think. Anything more than being the 4th best forward would expose him as a non-impact player. I liken him to this generation's Turgeon ... not in style, but in substance. (not the tin man reputation either)

Robert Lang: A+. I wavered on whether I wanted Lang in Montreal. Before Plekanec emerged, I liked the idea. After the Plekanec-Kovalev duo came to light, I thought Lang was unnecessary and would be too slow for Montreal's transition game. My reluctance had reason and it has been evident this year--that Lang slows down Montreal's transition game--but ultimately, Lang's been a good player for Montreal, and more than met expectations. Beyond the stat sheet where Lang has certainly gone beyond what was wanted/needed of him, he's also been playing key minutes defensively and has taken some important PK minutes, proving adeptly capable for situational defensive assignments. While I didn't like the Roy-Lang match-up Carbonneau insisted on using, I've liked Lang's worked down low and around the net. He's been very good at sticking to fundamentals there. He's also solid at playing up high in the offensive zone, being very much aware of his struggles in transition defense (due to speed), and compensating for it. Also, while Lang isn't physical, he plays to his size down low at both ends of the rink--something Montreal has needed offensively for a long time. Top marks, with reserved optimism for the stretch run.

Guillaume Latendresse: B-. He gets a rough ride on here. Sometimes it's deserved. I don't agree with the naysayers who maintain he needed to go through junior: he was not improving in junior. I don't believe the naysayers who confidently look back and say, 'hey, look at the stats, Latendresse isn't developing' ... to that, I say: he's scored 16 goals in his first two years, and he's still only 21. He's accomplished those goal totals while largely being among the bottom-six forwards. And during this time, he's successfully improved his foot speed, improved his defensive game by leaps and bounds, improved forechecking, improved positioning on the outlet pass, improved pass reception, and improved making the chip to the centerman in transition offense. In short: Latendresse has learned the fundamentals in the NHL. He's not a finished product. He still needs to work on some fundamentals, but by and large he's shown a willingness and a dedication to working and he's developed. Now we need the offensive game to come. It's not time to give up; it's time to acknowledge that he had a steep learning curve to go from liability-who-could-occasionally-score, to now being a player who's often coincidentally on a line that does well (Koivu-Tanguay duo, Latendresse was labelled the benefactor; now he's on the Habs' most successful line with Lapierre) ... who's vastly improved without the puck, I would argue a solid forechecker and solid in the neutral zone now ... Latendresse still struggles in some regard, notably tonight highlighted the fact that when confronted one on one in transition offensive, Latendresse is utterly clueless ... That said, I still view Latendresse's likely potential being a solid, large top-six presence, who can make plays with the puck and use his size. He gets the B- mark because I think he can bring more than he's brought offensively, and I'd like to see him assert himself every game and play a beastly role for the club. No, not Lucic; just a player who makes his mark every night in some fashion. Players ought to always aim to make a mark on every night, but Latendresse has the size and talent to do it in a number of ways, so he has no excuse.

Maxim Lapierre: A. Constant effort. Underrated talent, in my view. I do see him as a center in the league, and a player who can put up some points. Not many, but say in the 30-35 point range. He's not a uni-dimensional energy player. Rather, he's strong at keeping the puck deep offensively, strong on the forecheck, good at getting the puck to the net ... good at keeping the puck ahead of him. Overall, he's met expectations.

Tom Kostopoulos: A+. Not that big. Not a great skater. Pretty poor fighter. Attention to detail is something he has to think about, there's nothing innate about it, making him just passable defensively. His sense isn't strong enough to make him good defensively or an adequate shot-blocker, though the willingness is there. He can actually make a pass better than most think, but not good enough or in conjunction with any recognizable talent to make him an offensive contributor on any line. That said, he gets an A+. The idea of playing him on the third-line has been questioned ... but there's good rationale behind it: Kostopoulos makes things happen. He generates chances. He's able to complement offensive talent through sheer hard work and determination. If you question his passing ability or dismiss his utility to a scoring line: watch him on the break-out. Kostopoulos will frequently be the man in best position on the break-out to receive the outlet pass, and he'll smartly chip it up for quick transition. Watch his peculiar penchant for keeping the puck deep offensively, using no talent but every body part. Watch his ability to crash the net, create scrambles in front of the net ... it's not his job to put those pucks home, merely create the opportunity for his linemates. That is why he works in a third line role. That is why you can play him with offensive talent; because he can complement it. He gets top marks for fulfilling a role I did not think he was capable of filling.

Steve Begin: A-. In recent days, Begin's been monstrous. He's found his game again--a game that had been missing for over a year. A real brutal player to play against and borderline core for Montreal. That said, the beginning of the season Begin was slow, looked done. Hopefully he'll find a way to dig deep and keep this going, because it's the only way he can stay in the lineup ... but if he can maintain this, he's likely the best fourth-liner in the league, and he'll have earned his otherwise vastly overpaid salary.

Georges Laraque - C+. He was out of shape. He's been fine with fighting, been at times useful, at other points an anchor for that fourth line ... but to come in out of shape as a fourth-liner is unacceptable. Doesn't matter what your reputation is ... he was too out of shape to play a complete shift for the first month and a half of the season. For that reason alone, he goes to the C range. The Lucic night and some spot duty and some solid work as a fourth liner with recognizable improvements in the last month lead it to a C+.

Andrei Markov: A. He has played to expectations, I think, but not beyond them. I don't like Carbonneau's decision through most of the year to make Markov the trigger man on the PP. I believe that has been a key reason for the team's struggles on the PP. But Markov is the team's transition game and that has only been magnified with the rest of the D being incredibly lacking creatively ...

Josh Gorges: A+. I would like to take the opportunity to toot my own horn for liking Gorges from the get-go. And now Gorges is looking like the team's best defenseman when it comes to fundamental defense ... strange, but nice to see. Excellent team player, commitment to fundamentals, good skating and superb +/- despite playing some tough minutes, all the while manning the PK with Markov. He's certainly emerged as a top-four defenseman and, ironically, filled Rivet's role on and off the ice ... perhaps better than Rivet ever did in a Montreal jersey, not to downplay Rivet (who'd look mighty good as a #5 D in Montreal right now, in my mind).

Roman Hamrlik: A. He's very steady, most of the time. In other words: Hamrlik's a stabilizer, providing a mature approach to the game to an otherwise inexperienced and young team ... but he'll rarely have these breakdowns where you'll recognize that's why he's not a legit #1. But otherwise, he has the skating, the outlet pass, the size and willingness to use it, the defensive efficiency to be a top pairing defenseman. Consistently impressed.

Mike Komisarek: A-. I believe Gorges' emergence has highlighted Komisarek's true value. Gorges has been capable in Komisarek's role. So from that, we can figure Komisarek is a top 3 defenseman who is capable of playing a shut down role and adding an edge. But he's not a #1 defenseman. He's not even necessarily a very good #2, though I'd rank him in the #2 range ... Komisarek in Montreal is not superior to Hamrlik, and he's seen less ice time per game on average than Gorges. He is a capable #2. I give him the A- because he struggled mightily with outlet passes for the first stretch of this season.

Francis Bouillon: B+. He's a #6 defenseman, playing as a #6 should. I'd like to see him be a little more physical and use his speed more than he has, but overall he's a limited defenseman, playing in a limited role. There's not much to say except that he's serviceable and a good teammate.

Patrice Brisebois: B+. He's been fine, even good at times, and lousy at others; essentially, what you come to expect from Brisebois. I think he's been a bit less than decent on the PP, which is why the mark comes down below the expected-level, but otherwise he's been fine/serviceable in the #6/#7 role. It's not his fault the team lacks depth on the blueline.

Ryan O'Byrne: D-. While he's been downright abysmal at times, around a month into the season was the first time I had even considered him having legitimate NHL potential. Ironic as it is that I discovered his potential to be greater than it was during a time in which he was essentially burned in effigy daily on this forum, I like O'Byrne's work down low and his skating. I hope he can find his game again, because Montreal could certainly use him in a #5 role for the next few years.

I'll keep it simple for the netminders:

Carey Price: A-. Solid, but occasionally gives up a real softy. Would like to see him shore that up.

Jaroslav Halak: B. More softies than Price, hence why he's the backup, but still ... too many from him.

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Well done, great evaluation of who's giving what, although I have difficulties sharing a couple of points.

First of all, Andrei shouldn't be that much in front of his brother... They've both been playing poorly in the first part of the season. In my opinion, while Sergei is not as bad as you say he is, Andrei is worst than what you're saying, at least from my point of view.

Secondly. A team having Tanguay as his 4th best forward is an all-star team. I also fail to see why you name Sergei Kostitsyn, Andrei Kostitsyn, Plekanec and Higgins before him as a part of this team's core. Whthout Tanguay and Lang, we'd be lower in the standings, and we'd have been struggling way more than we did. Tanguay is not an all star like Eric Staal, Ilya Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk Hossa and all these guys. But he's in the pack of the 1st line forwards of the NHL. Sometimes you say top-6 forward, well Tanguay is a top-3 forward who could play on the first line of about any team in the NHL (minus a couple of exceptions). I like him, as he's not afraid to take the blame when he's not playing like he can. After all, he's got 9 points in the last 9 games. He had a slump around his game against Detroit (where he got hurt), but since his goal against the Rangers, he's fine in my opinion. He's not a gamebreaker, but he makes your team better, and will make all the little plays that will make your team win in the end. He's just not what I'd call a gritty player. He has his own style, and you need some players like that in your team. D'Agostini, Higgins, and Latendresse are those who are "drive-the-net" type of players, and one on each line is perfect in my opinion.

And finally, even if it's an opinion, I think Begin has been better than Kostopoulos So far this year. Tom began the year playing great, but lately, he's not as physical and since he's got his suspension, he's not the same player he was. He's just trying to be too careful right there, and seems to be afraid of hurting his opponents. I'm really not sure who I'd choose between these two (Bégin or Kostopoulos). Lately, Begin seems like he wants to give Bob Gainey a good problem.


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C. Price: A-
A. Kovalev: B
A. Tanguay: B-
R. Lang: B+
S. Koivu: A
A. Kots: C+
S. Kots: C+
A. Markov: A
T. Plekanec: D
R. Hamrlik: B
C. Higgins: C
G. Lat: C
S. Begin: B
M. Lapierre: B
M. D'Agostini: A
T. Kosto: B
J. Halak: B
F. Bouillon: B-
J. Gorges: B
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: C
R. O'Bryne: C

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In my opinion, anyone who gives O'Byrne a D+ or better is very very generous person.
As for me, I'd give him a Z--

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Habs Grades

C. Price: B+
A. Kovalev: B
A. Tanguay: D
R. Lang: A-
S. Koivu: B+
A. Kots: D
S. Kots: C
A. Markov: B+
T. Plekanec: D
R. Hamrlik: B+
C. Higgins: D
G. Lat: C
S. Begin: A
M. Lapierre: A
M. D'Agostini: A
T. Kosto: B+
J. Halak: B+
F. Bouillon: B
J. Gorges: B+
M. Komisarek: B+
G. Laraque: B
R. O'Bryne: D

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