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12-20-2008, 07:34 PM
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I talked to my source and he hadn't heard this but said he would ask Timmins and get back to me.
Timmins - will not know... Ask someone with the knowledge of Dinamo. They are going to cut at least 2 players by January 15th. Valentenko will most likely be one of them - coach and management are not happy with his play (evidenced by him sitting out the last 4 or 5). They expect more from him than just being physical, blocking shots, clearing in front of the net... (R they blind??? Valentenko was never anything else but a good stay-at-home Dman). That dissatisfaction and his huge contract will get Valentenko a one-way ticket to MTL... which might be what he is actually looking for. (Thank goodness for a large signing bonus!)...

P.S. - I think in that blog you can post questions 4 him.. Lets see if he answers

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12-21-2008, 08:19 AM
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Timmins - will not know... Ask someone with the knowledge of Dinamo. They are going to cut at least 2 players by January 15th. Valentenko will most likely be one of them - coach and management are not happy with his play (evidenced by him sitting out the last 4 or 5). They expect more from him than just being physical, blocking shots, clearing in front of the net... (R they blind??? Valentenko was never anything else but a good stay-at-home Dman). That dissatisfaction and his huge contract will get Valentenko a one-way ticket to MTL... which might be what he is actually looking for. (Thank goodness for a large signing bonus!)...

P.S. - I think in that blog you can post questions 4 him.. Lets see if he answers
It appears Timmins doesn't know about this, which I find odd since the Habs will need to know in order to take him back. Guess we'll see what happens next month.

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12-22-2008, 07:47 AM
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It's the habs fault that he left. They could have been considerate and offered him a little bit more money to stick around since he was one of our best prospects.
Not only that, they give a guy like O'byrne a shot over Pavel who is far more talented and imo more NHL ready, on the ground of what??? That O'Byrne is big?? I mean come on, I would've gone back to russia too if I was playing for some teams farm team and when they go to call up a d-man, they call up a guy who isn't even close to as ready as I am.

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Not only that, they give a guy like O'byrne a shot over Pavel who is far more talented and imo more NHL ready, on the ground of what??? That O'Byrne is big?? I mean come on, I would've gone back to russia too if I was playing for some teams farm team and when they go to call up a d-man, they call up a guy who isn't even close to as ready as I am.
O'Byrne was an AHL All-Star and played a key role in Hamilton's Calder Cup championship as a just turned 22 year old. Valentenko has had his share of struggles in the AHL and in this past pre-season. Defencemen need time. Fans need patience.

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12-22-2008, 08:37 AM
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O'Byrne was an AHL All-Star and played a key role in Hamilton's Calder Cup championship as a just turned 22 year old. Valentenko has had his share of struggles in the AHL and in this past pre-season. Defencemen need time. Fans need patience.
IMO O'Byrne is more of a career AHLER or bottom tier NHL d-man, where as Valentenko may have had struggles, but IMO had more potential. And it's not like I'm referring to Subban, some OHL defenceman. This is a guy who was also on hamilton and though he may have been a bit inconsistent, it would've been nice to give him a shot is all. Especially with how poorly OB was playing.

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According to this site, he hasn't played a game since Dec 1st.. And he's making $560K a season with bonus..

http://habsprospects.hockeyhq.net/valentenko.html

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According to this site, he hasn't played a game since Dec 1st.. And he's making $560K a season with bonus..

http://habsprospects.hockeyhq.net/valentenko.html
He is not getting that salary, he is suspended by Montreal.

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12-23-2008, 01:16 AM
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He is not getting that salary, he is suspended by Montreal.
HA HA!! Dude, that's his Dynamo Salary.. He was only posted to receive $150,000 with bonuses playing in Hamilton. He stayed in Russia because his dad signed him up to Dynamo's better offer. Had there not been a better offer, his dad would have let him stay in Canada...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2543...headlines_main

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HA HA!! Dude, that's his Dynamo Salary.. He was only posted to receive $150,000 with bonuses playing in Hamilton. He stayed in Russia because his dad signed him up to Dynamo's better offer. Had there not been a better offer, his dad would have let him stay in Canada...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2543...headlines_main
Dude, that's my site and it is his NHL and AHL salaries... $560,000 would have been his NHL salary if played with Montreal.

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12-23-2008, 09:47 AM
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Dude, that's my site and it is his NHL and AHL salaries... $560,000 would have been his NHL salary if played with Montreal.
Dude, if that is your site (And I'm not arguing that), it's really misleading. First, all sorts of reports were saying that he was earning $150000+Bonus and then I get to your site and see this:

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Dynamo - April 30, 2009 + 2 years option
2008-09: $560,000 (Cap Hit: $670,000) ($110,000 performance bonuses) Minor: C$62,500
2009-10: $585,000 (Cap Hit: $850,000) ($265,000 performance bonuses) Minor: C$62,500
2010-11: RFA

How in Gods name am I supposed to know it was his potential NHL salary if it says "Dynamo - April 30, 2009 + 2 years option" then gives a salary 4 times higher than $150000 which was in every other report I've seen about his salary in Hamilton?


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2543...headlines_main

http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1720

http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/...rt=NHL&id=2507

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...mo-Moscow.html



And then your site:

http://habsprospects.hockeyhq.net/valentenko.html


Can you blame me?? Now if that was what he was going to earn in the NHL, it should say Contract, Canadiens not Dynamo...

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12-23-2008, 09:54 AM
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Dude, if that is your site (And I'm not arguing that), it's really misleading. First, all sorts of reports were saying that he was earning $150000+Bonus and then I get to your site and see this:

Contract
Dynamo - April 30, 2009 + 2 years option
2008-09: $560,000 (Cap Hit: $670,000) ($110,000 performance bonuses) Minor: C$62,500
2009-10: $585,000 (Cap Hit: $850,000) ($265,000 performance bonuses) Minor: C$62,500
2010-11: RFA

How in Gods name am I supposed to know it was his potential NHL salary if it says "Dynamo - April 30, 2009 + 2 years option" then gives a salary 4 times higher than $150000 which was in every other report I've seen about his salary in Hamilton?


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2543...headlines_main

http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1720

http://fantasybaseball.usatoday.com/...rt=NHL&id=2507

http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...mo-Moscow.html



And then your site:

http://habsprospects.hockeyhq.net/valentenko.html


Can you blame me?? Now if that was what he was going to earn in the NHL, it should say Contract, Canadiens not Dynamo...
I guess I can't blame you then....

/blame thief50

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I think what he is trying to say - he could have been used more, thus showing (to him) that the organization did have a strong interest in him

Problem was, Valentenko looked bad in the preseason, so he didn't deserve more ice time.
You have to understand there is a large and vocal contingent here that feels proving your worth and earning your ice time is not the way to go.

I couldn't disagree with this notion more, but there are many here that have such raging hard ons for the prospects in the organization they feel those guys don't need to do anything to earn their opportunities.

If a prospect plays poorly for five straight games, you shouldn't demote him, shouldn't scale back his ice time, and shouldn't scratch him. Those are all bad! Nobody should earn anything! It should just be given!

Hell, even after Grabovski walked out on his team and got on an aiprlane to go cry to his agent, there were plenty of people here that wanted him back and wanted to REWARD him but slotting him on a top line with healthy powerplay minutes.

Thankfully the management of the Canadiens thinks these notions are absurd, but you should know that any time a topic like this comes up, these voices will make themselves heard.

Also, it's worth noting, that ANY player who does leave the organization to play elsewhere, like in Russia, will forever be remembered as at least three times as good as he really was.

I can't help but laugh when I read about Alex Perezhogin here... people are talking about a totally different player then the guy I watched play for the Canadiens.

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12-23-2008, 10:11 AM
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HF syndrome basically.

Anytime you see a guy posting a 2009 lineup with Pacrioetty and Maxwell slotted into top 2 lines you can safely diagnose a case of HF syndrome. Bonus points if the guy posting is a europhile too.

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Dude, that's my site and it is his NHL and AHL salaries... $560,000 would have been his NHL salary if played with Montreal.
I see you made a change on your page. That's much better BTW, it's a nice site. Keep up the good work..

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HF syndrome basically.

Anytime you see a guy posting a 2009 lineup with Pacrioetty and Maxwell slotted into top 2 lines you can safely diagnose a case of HF syndrome. Bonus points if the guy posting is a europhile too.
...and you would make up a team entirely of...???
Come on - stop with the nonsense.

Anyways, it looks like an update is coming tomorrow.

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Updated. http://www.icedaily.com/blog/55/Was-tired-of-promises

(wonder whether the injury forces Dynamo on keeping him??? and not cutting)

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Tired of busses and promises; imagine how Chipchura feels. If he was still here, maybe it wouldn't be Webber getting the call up.

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Tired of busses and promises; imagine how Chipchura feels. If he was still here, maybe it wouldn't be Webber getting the call up.
Webber got called up only because he's a PP specialist, not because he was a Dman, Carbo was clear about it.

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Valentenko has a cannon on the point as well. Low and alot of rebounds.

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Valentenko has a cannon on the point as well. Low and alot of rebounds.
I know but does it translate into PP succes?

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I know but does it translate into PP succes?
It did do every now and again last year, a number of guys scored on rebounds of his shots and he also made a couple of very nice passes from the point as well. He isn't a sure fire PP solution but he could be an option.

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Updated. http://www.icedaily.com/blog/55/Was-tired-of-promises

(wonder whether the injury forces Dynamo on keeping him??? and not cutting)
So....did they cut the 2 guys already and not cutting him 'cause he's injured? Anyway, that blog of is doesn't sound like the guy is coming back soon or have any intent of coming back. He is still talking about possibly coming back in 2 years....

Even if he's cut by his team, don't you think his services will be offerend in the KHL first since he was to be close to his family? I don't see that changing soon...

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If he was still here, maybe it wouldn't be Webber getting the call up.
Weber completely outplayed Valentenko in training camp, so I really doubt it.

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He had a bad training camp, it happens. Valentenkos more physically ready, harder hitting; I just rather his kind of game than Webbers.

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HF syndrome basically.

Anytime you see a guy posting a 2009 lineup with Pacrioetty and Maxwell slotted into top 2 lines you can safely diagnose a case of HF syndrome. Bonus points if the guy posting is a europhile too.
Say what?

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