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12-22-2008, 10:18 AM
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He's more than earned his spot...

Begin/Kostopolus/BGL will sit for him to be in the lineup.

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12-22-2008, 10:20 AM
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may I dare say that in a few games he's been our most dangerous player?

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12-22-2008, 10:26 AM
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may I dare say that in a few games he's been our most dangerous player?
NO YOU MAY NOT DARE.

The crazy thing about D'Ago is he puts the same effort throughout a game (100%) and while it always leads to an early goal, he can never get that second.

So okay, with everyone healthy, we got:

Kostitsyn - Koivu - D'Agostini
Higgins - Lang - Kovalev
Latendresse - Plekanec - Tanguay
Begin - Lapierre - Kostopolous
Kostitsyn, Laraque, Maxwell

Komisarek - Markov
Hamrlik - Gorges
Bouillion- Brisebois
Dandenault, O'Byrne

Maxwell goes down. Dandy will be out for a while. That leaves us three scratches, which I thought is okay? Dandy is on the IR.

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12-22-2008, 10:31 AM
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They ll probably send down O'Byrne and Maxwell, keep Dandenault on defence. Latendresse and Lang will stay on the third line, but will play on PP.

They won't send down one of their best players to the minors, that would be foolish.

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12-22-2008, 10:32 AM
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D'Agostini earned his spot. Hey, he's playing exactly like how everyone wants Chris Higgins to play.

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12-22-2008, 10:48 AM
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D'Ago shoots from anywhere on the ice, and does so effectively. The man is necessary.

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12-22-2008, 10:53 AM
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They ll probably send down O'Byrne and Maxwell, keep Dandenault on defence. Latendresse and Lang will stay on the third line, but will play on PP.

They won't send down one of their best players to the minors, that would be foolish.
Dandy'boy wont be back till febuary. But we may call up a seventh Dmen if we get an injury, i dont know if it's realistic, but...

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12-22-2008, 11:32 AM
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I agree with a lot of posters here... D'Agostini is playing great hockey. There's two ways to see a players performance...

He scores, therefore he is playing great hockey or
He plays great hockey therefore he scores.

Dagenais was a "He scores therefore he plays great hockey." What happened to him when he stopped scoring? Europe...

D'Agostini is playing great hockey and it is translating into goals.

I don't see why they would send him down unless he stops to play great hockey. Like an above poster said, It's not just the goals, it's his overall play that is impressive. He's become a threat out there and you just don't send a guy like that back to the minors when he's got nothing left to learn there..

If I'm Bob, what do I do? Pray that there is always room for him. If that doesn't happen, I have to send someone back To Hamilton or trade a player. But the one thing I don't do is send D'Agostini back to Hamilton if he keeps this up. If he starts to play like O'Byrne, then you send him down...
I love his play from center ice and up, but he's been turning the puck over a lot. Carbo Muller and Jarvis need to work the living heck out of the kid in his own zone at practices.

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12-22-2008, 11:37 AM
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I think Bob will be forced to make a move when Higgins comes back,especially if D'agostini keeps up this pace

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12-22-2008, 02:05 PM
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When everyone is healthy again these woudl be my ideal lines:

Andrei, Koivu, D'agostini (chemistry was definitely there)
Sergei, Plekanec, Kovalev ( both Kovy and Sergei seem to have woken up since playing together, pleks is still awesome as a penalty killer, he's just waiting to break out on offense)
Tanguay, Lang, Higgins ( Tanguay and lang have worked well together, 2 of our leading point getters, Higgins can do the dirty work against the boards, has proven in the past he can score and is one of our top 4 penalty killers)
Latendresse, Lapierre, Kostopolous(working great for the last few games)

Subs Begin and Laraque, depending on who we play i would switch them in and out of the 4th line.

Markov, Komisarek
Gorges, Hamrlik
Bouillon, Brisebois or Dandenault

Sub: Dandenault or Brisebois

Send o Byrne and Maxwell down.

PP 1: Kovalev, Pleks, Andrei, Markov(left point), Sergei(right point)
pp 2: Koivu, Tanguay, D'agostini, Hamrlik(left point), Lang(right point)

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12-22-2008, 02:18 PM
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the best solution would be to just trade Higgins. He no longer has a place on the team. Too bad he got himself hurt, thus draining all of his trade value in a contract season.

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12-22-2008, 02:23 PM
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Begin will fake an injury

Or Laraque.
lol yeah....Laraque will "lose" a fight.

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12-22-2008, 02:25 PM
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the best solution would be to just trade Higgins. He no longer has a place on the team. Too bad he got himself hurt, thus draining all of his trade value in a contract season.
You should seriously check your perspective. I can bet you what you want that Carbo sticks him up on the top lines when he comes back and that BG won't trade him and will end-up keeping him.


Please explain how he no longer has a place on the team. Having Daggs doesn't mean there is no place for Higgins. For all you know, BG and GC have already someone in mind that they don't see as a fit, and I'm pretty sure it's not Higgins.

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12-22-2008, 02:30 PM
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You should seriously check your perspective. I can bet you what you want that Carbo sticks him up on the top lines when he comes back and that BG won't trade him and will end-up keeping him.


Please explain how he no longer has a place on the team. Having Daggs doesn't mean there is no place for Higgins. For all you know, BG and GC have already someone in mind that they don't see as a fit, and I'm pretty sure it's not Higgins.
All of the following have been decisevly better than Higgins this season

Kovalev, Tanguay, AKost, Latendresse, D'Agastini

SKost has been marginally better. that makes Higgins a 4th liner, and I would rather have guys like Kostopolous and Begin manning the 4th line. It should come as no surprise to anybody that we have played our best hockey of the season when he is out of the lineup. Having a liability eating up icetime from productive players like Latendresse and D'Agastini is what put us in the slump and his injury got us out.

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12-22-2008, 02:39 PM
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All of the following have been decisevly better than Higgins this season

Kovalev, Tanguay, AKost, Latendresse, D'Agastini

SKost has been marginally better. that makes Higgins a 4th liner, and I would rather have guys like Kostopolous and Begin manning the 4th line. It should come as no surprise to anybody that we have played our best hockey of the season when he is out of the lineup. Having a liability eating up icetime from productive players like Latendresse and D'Agastini is what put us in the slump and his injury got us out.
okay... keep on talking.... don't let the bias swallow you whole, ahem.

EDIT: I thought about saying nothing at all since your post reeks of bad analysis and exagerations and positive and negative bias versus certain players.

First off, the Habs lost three games in a row when Higgins was gone. Before he got injured they were something close to 6-2-2 in their last 10 games.

Secondly, here are some stats :

for Wingers :
Points Per Game :
1- Tanguay 0,84
2- Kovalev 0,79
3- D'Agostini 0,73
4- AKost 0,45
5- Higgins 0,43
6- SKost 0,43
7- Latendresse 0,42

So far as point production, Higgins hasn't been stealing anybody's place on the top lines so you can stuff that argument down the memory hole as it is totally unsubstantiated. Especially since you wrote "decisevly better than Higgins", which is not the case.

You also wrote "liability", so let's look at +/- stats among wingers :

1- Akost +10
2- Tanguay +8
3- Kovalev +6
4- Higgins +4
5- SKost +3
6- Dagostini +2
7- Latendresse +2

Want me to continue with defensive stats like giveaways and takeaways and blockshots and hits??

Hits per game among wingers :

1- Latendresse 3,23
2- Begin 3,21
3- Kostopoulos 2,31
4- AKost 1,79
5- Higgins 1,76

Giveaways per game among wingers :

1- Laraque 0,18
2- Latendresse 0,19
3- Dandenault 0,20
4- SKost 0,27
5- Higgins 0,29
6- Bégin 0,29
7- Tanguay 0,32
8- DAgostini 0,45
9- Kostopoulos 0,48
10- AKost 0,52
11- Kovalev 0,89

Takeaways per game amogn wingers :

1- D'agostini 1,00
2- Higgins 0,67
3- Kovalev 0,64
4- Tanguay 0,58
5- SKost 0,57
6- Kostopoulos 0,41
7- Latendresse 0,35
8- 4 players at around 0,25

Best takeaway/giveaway differential among wingers :

1- SKost +9
2- Higgins +8
3- Tanguay +8
4- DAgostini +6
5- Latendresse +4
6- Dandenault +1
7- Laraque 0
8- Begin -1
9- Kostopoulos -2
10- AKost -8
11- Kovalev -8

Shots blocked per game among wingers :

1- Begin 0,79
2- Dandenault 0,75
3- DAgostini 0,73
4- Higgins 0,71
5- Kostopoulos 0,62
6- SKost 0,43
7- AKost 0,41

Higgins is top 5 among almost ALL categories among ALL our wingers. Instead of basing it only on your weak unsupported opinion, why don't you check the facts. And don't tell me about watching the games, because I missed only 2 games since the beginning and I've seen them play a lot and Higgins belongs on the top 6, if not, at least on the top 9, way before some other players.


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12-22-2008, 02:48 PM
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okay... keep on talking.... don't let the bias swallow you whole, ahem.
Higgins has produced in exactly one game this year and how been less valuable than brisebois. Only O'Byrne has been a worse player than Higgins this year. Before this season I was really excited about Higgins being part of a terrific shutdown unit with Chipchura in the future, but Higgins has regressed where he can't do that anymore. Higgins is not going to be a hab next season anyways, he will ask for too much money and Gainey will let him walk. Hopefully Gainey will be able to use him for something useful at the deadline.

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12-22-2008, 02:57 PM
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Higgins has produced in exactly one game this year and how been less valuable than brisebois. Only O'Byrne has been a worse player than Higgins this year. Before this season I was really excited about Higgins being part of a terrific shutdown unit with Chipchura in the future, but Higgins has regressed where he can't do that anymore. Higgins is not going to be a hab next season anyways, he will ask for too much money and Gainey will let him walk. Hopefully Gainey will be able to use him for something useful at the deadline.
Exagerations again. Keep on dreaming. Lats will leave Montreal before Higgins and other players too. Come back here in 8 months and see who was right.

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12-22-2008, 02:59 PM
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Exagerations again. Keep on dreaming. Lats will leave Montreal before Higgins and other players too. Come back here in 8 months and see who was right.
That has quote potential written all over it.

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12-22-2008, 03:04 PM
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Trade Plekanics or Sergei for a Dman and put Higgins on centre.

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Trade Plekanics or Sergei for a Dman and put Higgins on centre.

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Higgins cannot play center. When will people realize this. We tried this last year and it failed miserably.

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12-22-2008, 03:19 PM
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Higgins cannot play center. When will people realize this. We tried this last year and it failed miserably.
He's fine filling in as a 3rd/4th line centre, especially with Lapierre's improvement.

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NO YOU MAY NOT DARE.

The crazy thing about D'Ago is he puts the same effort throughout a game (100%) and while it always leads to an early goal, he can never get that second.

So okay, with everyone healthy, we got:

Kostitsyn - Koivu - D'Agostini
Higgins - Lang - Kovalev
Latendresse - Plekanec - Tanguay
Begin - Lapierre - Kostopolous
Kostitsyn, Laraque, Maxwell

Komisarek - Markov
Hamrlik - Gorges
Bouillion- Brisebois
Dandenault, O'Byrne

Maxwell goes down. Dandy will be out for a while. That leaves us three scratches, which I thought is okay? Dandy is on the IR.
LOL, Sergei Kostitsyn being a healthy scratch after his recent good performance ?
Higgins bumping Latendresse and Sergei right after returning from injury ? I doubt that...


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He's fine filling in as a 3rd/4th line centre, especially with Lapierre's improvement.
We already have 4 centers better than Higgins.

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Which makes a soft euro perimeter player with a weak shot like Plekanics even more expendable.

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We already have 4 centers better than Higgins.
Now why don't you try replying to my previous post with all the stats, instead of your unsupported opinion.

Higgins has been on par and even better than at least half of our 11 wingers so far this season. His play on the ice, and his stats don't lie.

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