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Smaller rinks according to Medvedev...

http://www.championat.ru/hockey/article-28438.html

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just proposal, or what?

also, could someone translate the gist of what this crisis package would entail for the league?

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just proposal, or what?

also, could someone translate the gist of what this crisis package would entail for the league?
Anything that comes out of Medvedev's mouth is more than a proposal. The guy is basically a dictator (remember the KHL logo row?)

I have feeling the Larionov is behind this and he has too much influence. Like today, after the press con was over, he ask everybody to stay, and declares that as of next year the KHL will not allow their players to participate in Eurotour. Says who? Also, lack of diplomacy: he just blurts this out, apparently Medvedev and others looked surprised.

The crisis package: cutting non-salary expenditures, like pre-game camps ("base"), cutting on the summer training camps, cutting on training camps abroad, and a possible decrease of mid-level player salaries as of next year. Apparently according to them, salaries of non-star players do not correspond to their performance.

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I trust Larionov's decisions. He has played both flavors of hockey, and has the advantage of being able to take the best aspects from both style of games and incorporate them into the KHL.
Also, there was a very good article on Medvedev in THN. This guy brings passion with influence and isn't afraid to tick off the NHL. This is the kind of guy people need to be backing up. If he thinks rinks should be smaller, then maybe they should be. He is painting the game the way he thinks is best to compete with the NHL. Respect to this guy.

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My opinion is that smaller ice is not good for the development of the Russian youngsters. UNfortunately a lot of people are set on the fact that having small rinks somehow will make the game more attractive without thinking about the development. There is a reason why Europe can compete with Canada and US when it comes to top level talent. Here is my argument with small ice believers in Russian. http://www.russian-hockey.ru/forum/v...=asc&start=175

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Every league in the world should use NHL sized ice rinks. Make the transition easier for the all young guys abandoning the Euro leagues for the NHL.

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Every league in the world should use NHL sized ice rinks. Make the transition easier for the all young guys abandoning the Euro leagues for the NHL.
And make it far easier for the Canadians and North Americans to transition over to Europe when the oil prices go back up and they throw far more money at the players than a capped NHL can. It works both ways.

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Also, divisions are likely to be re-aligned to cut down on travel costs next year.

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My opinion is that smaller ice is not good for the development of the Russian youngsters. UNfortunately a lot of people are set on the fact that having small rinks somehow will make the game more attractive without thinking about the development. There is a reason why Europe can compete with Canada and US when it comes to top level talent. Here is my argument with small ice believers in Russian. http://www.russian-hockey.ru/forum/v...=asc&start=175
Being North American and having played on both sheets and observing other countries methods and training I have to agree with your statements.

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it's just playing and simple if not the money effect Canada and USA would moved to larger arenas long time ago, but stupid KHL leaders want to imitate NA fully....Idiocy. To go to smaller rinks is to loose the nature of Russian hockey - room for maneuver and creativity a huge NO, IMHO.

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it's just playing and simple if not the money effect Canada and USA would moved to larger arenas long time ago
you don't seriously believe this, do you?? hilarious idea

why would NA move away from the traditional and successful surface size? it would be a complete disaster

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you don't seriously believe this, do you?? hilarious idea

why would NA move away from the traditional and successful surface size? it would be a complete disaster

I guess you missed the news during the lockout. That's what the NHL wanted to do, if not for the loss of the premier seats and thus less tickets sold they decided not to go for it.

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it's just playing and simple if not the money effect Canada and USA would moved to larger arenas long time ago, but stupid KHL leaders want to imitate NA fully....Idiocy. To go to smaller rinks is to loose the nature of Russian hockey - room for maneuver and creativity a huge NO, IMHO.
vary valid point. It is a high risk high reward situation. I am curious to see the effect on the future talent pool of russian prospects. However, I still trust that Feisov, Larionov and co. know what they are doing.

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I guess you missed the news during the lockout. That's what the NHL wanted to do, if not for the loss of the premier seats and thus less tickets sold they decided not to go for it.
It was never a serious proposal.

They also talked about making the nets bigger (or elliptical), making the goalies wear different color jerseys and never leave the crease, etc. loads of crazy / stupid ideas were flung around during the lockout

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It was never a serious proposal.

They also talked about making the nets bigger (or elliptical), making the goalies wear different color jerseys and never leave the crease, etc. loads of crazy / stupid ideas were flung around during the lockout
i think it was serious, and got voted off, 'cause of premiere sitting like Siberian had said.

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****ing Retarded. What's next? Maple Leaf on Russian uniforms? Enough of the western emulation. Stick to the school of hockey that has been dominant the last 50 years, RUSSIAN hockey.

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If the KHL has problems, smaller ice surfaces is not the way to go. It is clear that the bigger ice surfaces are the way to go. The 85 *200 size was built for the game of nearly a 100 years ago. Players are now much bigger, stronger and faster. The equipment alone improves the players. In addition, the game is coached like a chess match. Just watch Olympic or World Championship Hockey, they are played on the bigger 100 * 200 size rinks and the games are quite entertaining.

Larionov probably wants some small rinks for the players to train on for the U20 events which are almost always played in Canada (85*200).

Does anyone know what the mandate is from Fetisov and Tretiak to take Russia to the next level? Could someone explain?

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you don't seriously believe this, do you?? hilarious idea

why would NA move away from the traditional and successful surface size? it would be a complete disaster
You can't ignore that the fact that the NHL still has small ice surfaces is to attract US investors, and US americans can only watch sports that have goals all the time...

International sized hockey is a more beautiful game, and can be at least as exciting as NHL sized rinks. A simple mind needs simple things to watch, like every goal is excitement, even if it's a ***** goal...

I prefer finnish ice surfaces. Best of both worlds, with the speed of NHL hockey and the beauty of olympic hockey (well, if there was more talent xD).

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I prefer finnish ice surfaces. Best of both worlds, with the speed of NHL hockey and the beauty of olympic hockey (well, if there was more talent xD).
It's actually the Finnish ice surface that Medvedev is seeking to copy.

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You can't ignore that the fact that the NHL still has small ice surfaces is to attract US investors, and US americans can only watch sports that have goals all the time...

International sized hockey is a more beautiful game, and can be at least as exciting as NHL sized rinks. A simple mind needs simple things to watch, like every goal is excitement, even if it's a ***** goal...

I prefer finnish ice surfaces. Best of both worlds, with the speed of NHL hockey and the beauty of olympic hockey (well, if there was more talent xD).
Simple minded huh?

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