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Teddy Purcell for Rob Schremp

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12-23-2008, 10:24 AM
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Precisely. The trade is pointless. It is a trade for the sake of trading.
As someone mentioned it would be a fresh start for two young playmakers who have had a hard time cracking their respective line-ups.

Purcell has size and smarts to go along with his great playmaking skills. He's also a RW and the Kings have Brown, Moller and Simmonds pretty much locking that position down.

Schremp on the other hand has more raw skill and he's also one year younger. He can play C and LW and I believe Cogliano and Gagner have pretty much passed him on the Oilers depth charts.

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12-23-2008, 10:27 AM
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12-23-2008, 11:27 AM
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It's a pretty lateral move.
Each team probably values their own guy more than the other team.
Seems like a trade just for the sake of making a trade.

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12-23-2008, 02:43 PM
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As someone mentioned it would be a fresh start for two young playmakers who have had a hard time cracking their respective line-ups.

Purcell has size and smarts to go along with his great playmaking skills. He's also a RW and the Kings have Brown, Moller and Simmonds pretty much locking that position down.

Schremp on the other hand has more raw skill and he's also one year younger. He can play C and LW and I believe Cogliano and Gagner have pretty much passed him on the Oilers depth charts.
Oilers have enough RWers, both on the team who are natural RWers or can easily play in that position, and in prospects (Eberle, Nash). We really, really lack quality LWers. Schremp, as mentioned, can and has played lots of time on the LW the past couple of years. I'll keep Schremp and see how things go, thanks.

Zero interest in Purcell--with all due respect to him. Absolutely none.

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12-23-2008, 04:19 PM
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Just curious. Thanks for all the responses guys. I hope Schremp and Purcell can both stick in the NHL asap. I'm tired of watching John Zeilers...

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Considering most guys win it at 21 22 how is it not impressive. Its not like he won it at 24 25 years old.
How many 22-year AHL forwards make it to the NHL? Not many. His NCAA numbers at 21 years old were unimpressive also. Barely a PPG... compared to bonafide NCAA top-6ers like Oshie, Cogliano, Toews, etc.

It's all about age + points. An AHL PPG player at 24 is yawn inducing. At 20 it's more eye opening. At 22 it is a half-yawn.

Both Schremp and Purcell might be NHLers, but they'll be middling top-6 forwards at best... maybe 40pt considering their age and current history. Now if they can transform themselves into bottom-6 forwards they can stick.

EDIT: Look at past ROY winners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_...Memorial_Award

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Looking at past AHL ROY winners doesn't really say much, there are some great players there.

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How many 22-year AHL forwards make it to the NHL? Not many. His NCAA numbers at 21 years old were unimpressive also. Barely a PPG... compared to bonafide NCAA top-6ers like Oshie, Cogliano, Toews, etc.

It's all about age + points. An AHL PPG player at 24 is yawn inducing. At 20 it's more eye opening. At 22 it is a half-yawn.

Both Schremp and Purcell might be NHLers, but they'll be middling top-6 forwards at best... maybe 40pt considering their age and current history. Now if they can transform themselves into bottom-6 forwards they can stick.

EDIT: Look at past ROY winners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_...Memorial_Award
Some of your aguments are pretty weak.

About 25 NHL teams wanted to sign Purcell after that UNIMPRESSIVE season in College, like you say. And that list of former ROY winners have some good players on it.

After all I think we both agree. I also doubt Purcell will ever be anything special in this league, leave alone a bonafide NHL player.

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12-24-2008, 02:07 PM
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Looking at past AHL ROY winners doesn't really say much, there are some great players there.
And those that were (Sully, Briere) won them at 20. Again age matters... a 22 year old winning ROY is yawn inducing.

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About 25 NHL teams wanted to sign Purcell after that UNIMPRESSIVE season in College, like you say. And that list of former ROY winners have some good players on it.
Who wouldn't want to sign a decent (although unimpressive) NCAA free agent to fill up your AHL roster?

Oilers signed Lerg (around the same age as Purcell when he started in the AHL) last summer and plays well in the minors.

Purcells and Lergs are valuable to their respective organization as they could break out one year and become a hidden gem - your Horcoffs, Pisanis, Burrows, etc. Trade value wise these types of player don't have much value as their NHL projections are fairly low.

I'm pulling for Purcell tho' - I liked his game last season. Schremp has crazy passing skills, but I still don't like his skating.

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12-24-2008, 02:29 PM
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And those that were (Sully, Briere) won them at 20. Again age matters... a 22 year old winning ROY is yawn inducing.
No they were 21. started off the season as a 20 yr old but ended up being 21 when they win. So a 1 year difference is negligible. If they were actually 20 and Purcell was 24 when he won his then youd have a point. And as far as 22 yr old AHL forwards making it o the NHL Im sure the numbers alot higher than you seem think it is. Some guys dont leave college till 21 22 and a huge majority of those guys spend time in the AHL. Some players develop at a slower pace than others.

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Who wouldn't want to sign a decent (although unimpressive) NCAA free agent to fill up your AHL roster?
That's nonsense, because there's a major group of players from the NCAA who won't get signed. Just admit, there's more than numbers alone. Something I wanted to make clear.

We already agreed that his numbers were unimpressive, yet half the league was interested in signing him.

So back to my original point, he must have done something right.

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From an outside perspective, I'd take Purcell over Schremp 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

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Who wouldn't want to sign a decent (although unimpressive) NCAA free agent to fill up your AHL roster?

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25 Teams offering over 1 million to fill up their AHL roster? Don't be rediculous. This debate ends here.

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I like Purcell, but I don't see where he fits on the Oilers. I also wouldn't want him at the expense of Schremp. I'll take Schremp over Purcell in terms of upside.

My counter offer would be Nilsson for Boyle.

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25 Teams offering over 1 million to fill up their AHL roster? Don't be rediculous. This debate ends here.
They aren't paying him that much unless he plays in the NHL. However , Purcell was signed because he's a legit prospect, not AHL roster filler.

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