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12-26-2008, 12:41 AM
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So Does Anybody Miss Toots?

I've been wondering if the exposure of the poorous Ranger defense might be an indication that the Zherdev trade was vastly overlooked.

People seem to say it was a good Sather deal in getting a talent like Zherdev...and while he is one of the better forwards on the team (partial indictment on the team's scoring)...one can't help but wonder if Sather and the fans overlooked Toots importance.

No...he never became an all star...but he did check, play the body, and was a good #3 or #4.
Replacing him with swiss cheese Redden and Kalinin...yikes.

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Zherdev >>> Toots >> Rozsival > Redden.

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12-26-2008, 12:44 AM
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He was my favorite Ranger.
I'm still pissed we let him go even though he brought Zherdev.

Awesome player.
Awesome contract.

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Tough one. If Toots was still here but Zherdev wasn't, I don't want to know what the scoring (or lack there-of) would look like. That said, who doesn't want to see Tyutin-Girardi back together? It's more than just the players though. A big issue with the team is mentally it seems like - What else can it be when they have periods of shutdown play, then lackluster a few minutes later?

Redden for Tyutin - get it done!

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Tough one. If Toots was still here but Zherdev wasn't, I don't want to know what the scoring (or lack there-of) would look like. That said, who doesn't want to see Tyutin-Girardi back together? It's more than just the players though. A big issue with the team is mentally it seems like - What else can it be when they have periods of shutdown play, then lackluster a few minutes later?

Redden for Tyutin - get it done!
That would be sick.

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12-26-2008, 01:03 AM
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I think it was a good deal because if fit a need this team had. We had a problem scoring so Zherdev was brought in to fix that. We lost an awesome defenseman who pretty did all he was asked to do and was still developing but it had to be done. Imagine if we did that last year our good our lines would have been with Jagr on the team.

Jagr-Dubi-Zherdev would of made a nice line.

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12-26-2008, 01:12 AM
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I have to admit, I find myself looking at Columbus box scores to see if he's been factoring in. One of my favorite Rangers. Always thought it would be nice if we could reacquire him next year like we did with Cullen and Carolina.

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12-26-2008, 01:15 AM
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No, not really.If we did not have Zerdev we would be in ahuge hole right now in the already bleak goal scoring dept.

It would be intresting if we could re-aquire him, But the way I look at it is that we are stacked with Defensemen, Toots was expandable.

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To be honest, I don't miss Tyutin very much at all. Not because he was particularly bad or because I have anything against him, because he wasn't and I don't. But the fact is, I never understood the love affair with Tyutin. He was all right, but he was nothing to write home about.

Guys like Tyutin are not that hard to find, and personally, he always seemed like a bit of a disappointment to me. He had been hyped up as more than he is, though I suppose it's still possible he'll get better.

The Rangers' problems on the blueline have less to do with the departure of Tyutin than the additions of Redden and Kalinin.

I'm no supporter of Sather as my posting history would suggest, but the Zherdev trade is the best move he's ever made, other than the Jagr trade (which I still contend wasn't so much his doing as it was the circumstances surrounding the situation). Zherdev is the closest thing we have to a first line forward on this team. He's still very young and hasn't been in an ideal situation for the first few years of his career. On a great team, Zherdev is a key second line player or the complimentary winger on a first line. For us, he's so much more.

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Redden on pace for 33 P.
Roszival on pace for 38 P.
Tyutin on pace for 39 P.

I think his offensive game is finally coming around.

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I miss his hipcheck, but I prefer having Zherdev.

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Perhaps his most infamous moment so far with Columbus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDhkKxw_5do

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Redden on pace for 33 P.
Roszival on pace for 38 P.
Tyutin on pace for 39 P.

I think his offensive game is finally coming around.
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Redden on pace for 33 P.
Roszival on pace for 38 P.
Tyutin on pace for 39 P.

I think his offensive game is finally coming around.
Tyutin didn't get much power play time here, but he already has 7 power play assists in Columbus. It's not surprising. The most he ever got in one season before was 8, he's already there half-way through the season. He's probably seeing more time on the advantage.

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I hated to see him go but I think you have to make that trade any day of the week....who knows maybe he end up back her in a couple of years

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I have a Tyutin jersey, he was a favorite of mine. But if there is one player who I wouldn't mind swapping him with, it is Nikolai Zherdev because of his finnese game in which I love.

However, I do expect toots to be back with the bluehsirts in the near future.

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I have a Tyutin jersey, he was a favorite of mine. But if there is one player who I wouldn't mind swapping him with, it is Nikolai Zherdev because of his finnese game in which I love.

However, I do expect toots to be back with the bluehsirts in the near future.
Hopefully a home-town discount.

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You could see some Kasparaitis (when he was an islander, not when he sucked with us) in Tyutin, though a little less nasty but with more offensive skill. He was never going to live up to the old hype, but he's an excellent all-around defenseman.

Tuts for Z was an excellent trade, but I'd love to get him back. I would easily trade him for both Rosie and Redden, with Prucha as a throw-in. Columbus won't do it though.


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I've been wondering if the exposure of the poorous Ranger defense might be an indication that the Zherdev trade was vastly overlooked.

People seem to say it was a good Sather deal in getting a talent like Zherdev...and while he is one of the better forwards on the team (partial indictment on the team's scoring)...one can't help but wonder if Sather and the fans overlooked Toots importance.

No...he never became an all star...but he did check, play the body, and was a good #3 or #4.
Replacing him with swiss cheese Redden and Kalinin...yikes.

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12-26-2008, 06:10 AM
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You could see some Kasparaitis (when he was an islander, not when he sucked with us) in Tyutin, though a little less nasty but with more offensive skill. He was never going to live up to the old hype, but he's an excellent all-around defenseman.

Tuts for Z was an excellent trade, but I'd love to get him back. I would easily trade him for both Rosie and Redden, with Prucha as a throw-in. Columbus won't do it though.
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I hated to see Tyutin go. On paper it was an excellent trade. I love what Z brings.

All that said, Toots was homegrown and part of the post lockout kid gang that had the first run to the playoffs. Tyutin has more grit then Redden and Kalinin combined.

I also liked Max K. I'd take Fedor and Max back in a heartbeat for Redden and Kalinin.

My prescription for the Rangers = Go Russian!

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You must be kidding. The defense overall hasn't been bad. Rangers fans expectations for the defenseman are beyond ridiculous. Try watching other teams play. The Flyers are a train wreck on defense but they can score. The Devils defenseman are hacks. The problem on this team has been scoring which leads to fans expecting our defenseman never to make a mistake because they have to win every game 2-1. The only poor defense that has stood out from our defenseman has been on the PP where they let up a lot of SH goals.

Tyutin to me was also a dog a lot of games. He turned the puck over just as much as Rosival and Redden but people let him slack because he was home grown. He wuold go weeks without throwing a hit. NHL defenseman turn the puck over. It happens all the time. However, giving up an 4th defenseman type for a 75 to 90 point talent in Zherdev shouldn't even been disputed. I mean seriously, how dumb do you have to be on this team to realize the reason they lose is because of the offense and the PP. Not because of defense. Blaming the defenseman and Nigel Dawes is getting reaaaaaaaaaly old.

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Yes. I love Z, but I still really miss Toots. gotta give to get.

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Yea I miss him, having him and Staal together now would've been awesome, but I don't regret trading him since he got us Zherdev. But I talked to Toots last season and he said he loved the Rangers and to play in MSG.

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Fun Facts:

Redden on pace for 33 P.
Roszival on pace for 38 P.
Tyutin on pace for 39 P.

I think his offensive game is finally coming around.
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Tyutin didn't get much power play time here, but he already has 7 power play assists in Columbus. It's not surprising. The most he ever got in one season before was 8, he's already there half-way through the season. He's probably seeing more time on the advantage.
I agree with Sting that it's more telling about the way each player is used with their respective team. The fact the NYR PP strategy is non-functional isn't helping the NYR defensemen either.

I think a lot of people's memories are colored with the fact that Tyutin was home grown, because honestly, he was nothing more than a good d-man who occasionally turned in a great performance. Sadly, I guess that's an appropriate description of Redden at this point as well, but you could say that as Tyutin's replacement, at least it's status quo back there.

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