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07-25-2004, 11:36 AM
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Finally, a positive take on the labor negotiations!

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...23/554350.html

The Toronto Star journalist went to a reknowned labor negotiator who seems convinced that the matter will end up being settled, albeit at the last minute...

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I also think that it will be resolved, but as said it will be a final hour thing. Plus I don't know what I would do with a year without hockey

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What the reporter don't say is that last time, we missed half a season and nobody was talking about a salary cap.

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It's a good article. I wish it was more indepth though.

They don't mention the central issue, which is that the megarich owners are harming the small market teams. That is the only issue that the majority of fans care about.

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It's a good article. I wish it was more indepth though.

They don't mention the central issue, which is that the megarich owners are harming the small market teams. That is the only issue that the majority of fans care about.
Unfortunately labour negociations are all about money, not about the fans or anything. The players would rather make more money short term than improve the game long term. As for the owners, they want to see "black" ink in their books once again, which involves cutting the wages. Of course, the smaller owners also want to "fix" the game to be more competitive, but that's mostly because it's the only way they can make a profit.

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Unfortunately labour negociations are all about money, not about the fans or anything. The players would rather make more money short term than improve the game long term. As for the owners, they want to see "black" ink in their books once again, which involves cutting the wages. Of course, the smaller owners also want to "fix" the game to be more competitive, but that's mostly because it's the only way they can make a profit.
Not really true but you're not wrong also.

Both side will never say publicly that they care about the fans because the one who will show it will show some kind of weakness. The Owners did show an hypocritical fans care with having a public relation site for the fans call NHLCBAnews that gives you an idea on what the OWNER think it should be & not the truth. (same can be said on the other side, in case you wondering if I was trying to protect the NHLPA which is not the case).

But inside the negos & probably there's a lot of surveys made by the owners with their season tickets holder ''if they would support the team again (see buying season tickets) if the NHL would lockout for more than a season. if the response is negative, they won't say it OF COURSE but it's gonna a major part about how they would play their cards.

On the NHLPA side, they probably conduct a survey to know if they believe the owners or the NHLPA or none of the above. If the response is that they think the players are the one to blame, this is gonna be a huge part of the negotiations to know if they will compromise more that they think at start.

Make no mistake, there's a lot going on to know about the real consumers of HOCKEY around the 30 franchises.

NHL fans are not MLB fans (see America's game) but they will play a MAJOR part in this negotiation. If they sympatize with the owners, the war could go as projected by the owners & if the fans only wants HOCKEY next season & they have no side in this story other than having hockey, expect to get a settlement.

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Unfortunately labour negociations are all about money, not about the fans or anything. The players would rather make more money short term than improve the game long term. As for the owners, they want to see "black" ink in their books once again, which involves cutting the wages. Of course, the smaller owners also want to "fix" the game to be more competitive, but that's mostly because it's the only way they can make a profit.
The problem I see is that the fans think it's the owners versus the players. It's not that at all. It's the megarich owners and the players against the small owners imo. What I don't understand is, if the majority of owners are in small markets, how come they don't have enough voting power to fix the league.

Maybe the fact that the "owners" are now asking for a cap is indicative that the small owners are finally starting to assert themselves. It is definitely not in the New York Rangers' or Avs or Wings or Leafs favor to have a salary cap.

What it will come down to is, will the small market owners cave in and why? If they stand fast, will the players cave in and why?


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What the reporter don't say is that last time, we missed half a season and nobody was talking about a salary cap.

But, They didn't have the WHA breathing down their necks that time and we all know they would love to shut down the WHA before it gets of the ground.

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Both side will never say publicly that they care about the fans because the one who will show it will show some kind of weakness. The Owners did show an hypocritical fans care with having a public relation site for the fans call NHLCBAnews that gives you an idea on what the OWNER think it should be & not the truth. (same can be said on the other side, in case you wondering if I was trying to protect the NHLPA which is not the case).

But inside the negos & probably there's a lot of surveys made by the owners with their season tickets holder ''if they would support the team again (see buying season tickets) if the NHL would lockout for more than a season. if the response is negative, they won't say it OF COURSE but it's gonna a major part about how they would play their cards.

On the NHLPA side, they probably conduct a survey to know if they believe the owners or the NHLPA or none of the above. If the response is that they think the players are the one to blame, this is gonna be a huge part of the negotiations to know if they will compromise more that they think at start.

Make no mistake, there's a lot going on to know about the real consumers of HOCKEY around the 30 franchises.

NHL fans are not MLB fans (see America's game) but they will play a MAJOR part in this negotiation. If they sympatize with the owners, the war could go as projected by the owners & if the fans only wants HOCKEY next season & they have no side in this story other than having hockey, expect to get a settlement.

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Thanks for the read.

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But, They didn't have the WHA breathing down their necks that time and we all know they would love to shut down the WHA before it gets of the ground.
They don't even need to shut down WHA. Toronto teams don't even have a bail so far. The Nordiks are a serious team but the rest of the league seems to be a joke.

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