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12-29-2008, 02:25 PM
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12/29/08: Nashville @ Colorado

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Not really feeling all that great today, so no stats or extra info... but this game is pretty big for us in terms of finding a median after two games on very opposite ends of the performance spectrum.

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12-29-2008, 02:30 PM
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Who's the clone of Colin Wilson in this year's draft ?

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Hedman, Hedman, Hedman!
You know we'd do it. Not that I would complain...

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sh!tty start
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12-29-2008, 09:17 PM
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Bad bounces, but I feel good about the next period, we gotta stop trying fancy stuff and shoot the damn puck though. Peverley had a great move on one of their d men

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12-29-2008, 09:23 PM
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Until VK improves his skating speed he will never be a consistent NHL player. Meaning...he will eternally be a 7th/8th defenseman who gets exposed any time he needs to win a race to a puck.

Don't get me wrong, he works hard in practice and shows that he is battling to get back into the lineup, but I simply don't see any improvement in his overall game or in particular in his main area of weakness - skating speed - that shows me he will be a permanent fixture on the blue line.

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12-29-2008, 09:30 PM
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How we can go this long into the season with the offense being so obviously below average....in on an AHL level....is beyond me. Meanwhile, we continue to sit on a gold-mine in defensive prospects, watch home-grown options languish in the minors, and refuse to do anything to solve this teams problems. Patience is a virtue true, but sometimes, you actually DO have to act.

Oh yeah, our powerplay sucks

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We need to pick up a win tonight. Down 2 early makes things difficult, but the Avalanche goalies hemorrhage goals on a consistent basis.

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Forget about,tonight is a lost cause.


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Rich Peverly everybody.

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If Bonk scores one more on Rinne, do they throw hats?

If we do our part and score one or fewer goals, why won't the opponent do the same?

Will Vern Fiddler be our leading scorer by the end of the year?

Can it get any worse than the last two games?

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Rich Peverly everybody.
See my avatar for my opinion of Peverley.

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12-29-2008, 10:58 PM
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Trotz mystifies me sometimes. He expects our defensemen to be shut down d-men. Okay - I get that. I get that he wants to setup the powerplay through Shea Weber. I do not get that he somehow expects our defensemen to play shut-down defense in a tightly controlled system AND they still have to be the catalysts for our offense.

Additionally, I do not understand how a 28 year old forward with only 11 games experience in the NHL has seen more 1st line wing minutes then anyone outside of JP Dumont on this team. This isn't just borderline stupidity, it is irrational and dumbfounding. The 6 points in the last 23 games is indicative of that. I like Ward, but I like him as a grinder on the third or fourth line. I do NOT like him as a first line scoring winger.

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12-29-2008, 11:08 PM
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Can it get any worse than the last two games?
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12-30-2008, 12:00 AM
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I do NOT like him as a first line non-scoring winger.
Fixed. And I agree.

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Nice, 10 goals allowed in 2 nights.

At least Arnott finally got a goal.

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If Im Poile, Hornqvist and Jones have a roster spot today and Bonk-Erat earn a press box. Something has to be done.


The staff keep saying that the only good tool they have is to limit or reward ice time, but has anybody seen this happen? This only seems to apply to Klein-Koistinen

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12-30-2008, 12:47 PM
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My various random thoughts:

I'll go back to my original contention that Poile's plan all along was to leave Jones and Hornqvist with the Ads as long as humanly possible and tread water at or above .500. The team bought him more time than expected and still may if it wins the next two.

Add Nichol and potentially even Sully into the mix and Poile clearly won't make a major move anytime prior to the trade deadline.

If you want to believe they have a master plan, Ward has stayed on the 1st line by playing a style similar to Jones, who will get the spot upon his return. If not, somebody else needs to be moved up-- we aren't even a one line team at this point.

Last night had a month's worth of bad bounces (I'll even through in Zanon's whiff on the 1st goal as a "bad bounce" since it's the holiday season) leading to goals. The real problem is we still only muster 2 goals at best.

Hopefully, Bonk's two goals last night will get him going.

This team is going to remain screwed up for the remainder of this year because it has too many spare parts at forward (Bonk, Fiddler, Peverly, Smithson, Belak... Ortmeyer...really including Tootoo, Ward, and Nichol.... and even Legwand) and too many guys that aren't quite ready for prime time (Hornqvist, Jones and Pihlstrom).

We had a bubble in our pipeline where there were several years of no new talent coming in at the forward position (who has come in since Tootoo other than Rads, which, by the way, compounded his disasterous decision to go back to Russia). It was masked by the signing of Kariya, Arnott and Dumont and exposed by the loss of Kariya, Sully and Rads.

The real question is how does it sort itself out for next year and beyond, which I think looks decent with the coming of Hornqvist, Pihlstrom, Jones, Wilson, Spaling and Santorelli. And Rads.

I think that is why Poile is slow to make a move now. Add financial issues and Poiles general nature...

"Tread water near .500 and try to slip in" wasn't as catchy as "It stays with you" but I think we are stuck with it.

Final thought: Ellis will be traded in 2009.

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the biggest disappointment is knowing that the team will pull together a run and end up 9 or 10, missing a playoff spot and an awesome draftee.

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Is VK a sloth or something? I watched a few Preds games (coincidence he wasn't scratched) and he looked average overall. Not a lot of speed but I'm not sure it was as bad as some comments I have seen.

Am I missing something here? I thought he had started making progress at the end of last year...quite a few people, including Trotz I believe, were confident that he was a regular top 6 D man now...

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Is VK a sloth or something? I watched a few Preds games (coincidence he wasn't scratched) and he looked average overall. Not a lot of speed but I'm not sure it was as bad as some comments I have seen.

Am I missing something here? I thought he had started making progress at the end of last year...quite a few people, including Trotz I believe, were confident that he was a regular top 6 D man now...
He is average in every way, he could be useful to another team if they were desperate but he is small and has average speed, he has to play the angles and doesnt even do that consistently well.

Trotz thought he would replace Zidlicky on the PP but it just didnt pan out.

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He is average in every way, he could be useful to another team if they were desperate but he is small and has average speed, he has to play the angles and doesnt even do that consistently well.

Trotz thought he would replace Zidlicky on the PP but it just didnt pan out.
Wow that is bizarre.

So is he destined for scattered play for the balance of the year?

Too bad I told a buddy to take him as a sleeper in his pool since it is a very deep league...I just didn't think he'd be a press box regular. I wasn't expecting 25 min and 40pts either...more like 25-30 with 18ish minutes.

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