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12-31-2008, 07:19 PM
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I see too many overachievers on the Boston side to go with them. I just can't see them keeping up to San Jose when the heat is on.
I don't see Boston overachieving, I see them as a well balanced team with tremendous depth. I don't see San Jose keeping up with Boston when the heat is on given their recent history of not playing up to their potential in the playoffs. Maybe this is the year they really come through, we shall see.

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12-31-2008, 09:34 PM
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Not really. If the 2 #1 seeds end up in the finals, you win.

If 1 of the #1 seeds makes it, it's a push.

If neither of the #1 seeds makes it, I win.

It's really not that difficult.

Whattya say?
Think about this:

Let's say you have 10 playing cards in front of you. Five of them are aces, three are kings, and two are queens. Your friend has an identical set of 10 cards as well. Assume both of you have your set of cards spread out in front of you, face down, in random order.

Here's my question: If each of you picked a card, randomly, from your own piles, and you HAD to make a bet on which two specific cards would show, would you, or would you not bet that it would be two aces?

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12-31-2008, 11:11 PM
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Great! Another Habs fan jealous of the attention that Boston is getting!
In order for Habs fans to get jealous of the Bruins, they'd have to beat us in a playoffs' series...

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01-01-2009, 01:26 AM
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In order for Habs fans to get jealous of the Bruins, they'd have to beat us in a playoffs' series...
Or any team for that matter.......

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01-01-2009, 01:12 PM
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Or any team for that matter.......
Wow win a Cup some day and then you can talk. At least the Canadiens fans have the history of a proud franchise and 24 Stanley Cups. Sharks fans have fond memories of Pat Falloon and Arturas Irbe.

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Wow win a Cup some day and then you can talk.
How many have you won???

BTW how many of BOSTON'S cups have you been alive to witness? Yeah, thats what I thought.

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01-02-2009, 08:26 AM
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How many have you won???

BTW how many of BOSTON'S cups have you been alive to witness? Yeah, thats what I thought.
I haven't won any unfortunately. They've won 2 in my lifetime, and I witnessed 1.

Is that what you thought?

How many has your team won and how many have you witnessed?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

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01-02-2009, 09:06 AM
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Not really. If the 2 #1 seeds end up in the finals, you win.

If 1 of the #1 seeds makes it, it's a push.

If neither of the #1 seeds makes it, I win.

It's really not that difficult.

Whattya say?
Um if Boston and San Jose are both top seed then they will be most likely to make it to the finals.

The 8th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, and 2nd seeds are not as good statistically so their odds are lower.

You are trying to play with a stacked deck.

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01-02-2009, 10:49 AM
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Um if Boston and San Jose are both top seed then they will be most likely to make it to the finals.

The 8th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, and 2nd seeds are not as good statistically so their odds are lower.

You are trying to play with a stacked deck.
Whether or not individually the 8th, 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd and 2nd seeds are lower is immaterial. Collectively they odds are better that any one of those seeds will make it than the odds of the #1 seed. Again, look at the history here. 1 out of 4 #1 seeds have made the finals in the last few years. That means 3 out of 4 #1 seeds haven't. Yes, it's better to be the 1 seed than the 8 seed, but I stand by my statement.

I would not at all be surprised to see 1 or both of these teams not in the finals.

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01-02-2009, 11:09 AM
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San Jose absolutely dominated the Penguins when they played in November. Pens only had 11 shots that game .
Boston was beatable in 2 out of the 3 games.

I'd say San Jose is a slightly better team, especialy if Nabokov is on his game.

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01-02-2009, 12:59 PM
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Actually, since theyre both 1st in their repective conference, the "odds" are that they theyll both be in the Cup final.
No. Odds are better that Boston and San Jose will make the finals than any other combination of two teams you can list. But the odds DO NOT SAY that Boston and San Jose will make the finals.

The field has a far better chance than any two specific teams.

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No. Odds are better that Boston and San Jose will make the finals than any other combination of two teams you can list. But the odds DO NOT SAY that Boston and San Jose will make the finals.

The field has a far better chance than any two specific teams.
Perhaps you are just much better than I am at stating things, but YES that is what I was saying, and I find it odd that people disagree with it.

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San Jose absolutely dominated the Penguins when they played in November. Pens only had 11 shots that game .
Boston was beatable in 2 out of the 3 games.

I'd say San Jose is a slightly better team, especialy if Nabokov is on his game.
Boston lost to Calgary, Calgary lost to San Jose. The Sharks lost to the Wings, and the Wings lost to the Leafs, who lost to Boston.

You really can't base your vote on who beats who.

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01-02-2009, 06:22 PM
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I don't see Boston overachieving, I see them as a well balanced team with tremendous depth. I don't see San Jose keeping up with Boston when the heat is on given their recent history of not playing up to their potential in the playoffs. Maybe this is the year they really come through, we shall see.
Take a look up and down Boston's roster. Most players are either having career years or breakout campaigns. That's a recipe for a letdown at some point. It's usually a matter of when, not if. Remember, this is essentially the same roster as last year's Bruins, a roster that was 8th-best in the East.

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Take a look up and down Boston's roster. Most players are either having career years or breakout campaigns. That's a recipe for a letdown at some point. It's usually a matter of when, not if. Remember, this is essentially the same roster as last year's Bruins, a roster that was 8th-best in the East.
Except for the fact that Bergeron and Fernandez werent there for basically the whole entire season last year. Yelle replaces Metropolit, Ryder replaces Murray,ETC. Another year of Development for Krejci, Kessel, Lucic.

This isnt the same team as last year.

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Boston lost to Calgary, Calgary lost to San Jose. The Sharks lost to the Wings and vice versa, and the Wings lost to the Leafs, who lost to Boston.

You really can't base your vote on who beats who.
Fixed.

But you're right, it's a ridiculous argument that people use too often.

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I haven't won any unfortunately. They've won 2 in my lifetime, and I witnessed 1.

Is that what you thought?

How many has your team won and how many have you witnessed?

Yeah, that's what I thought.
Ok, you got me there. But here is a stat to throw at you: Since 91-92 ( the sharks first year.) San Jose has won 8 playoffs series. Since that time boston has won 4(including 0 Cups)

Since neither team has won the cup in this period I would say each franchise is about equal in performance in this timeline for the most part. Boston has much more history for sure, but saying all SJ has had is Fat Balloon and Arturs Irbe is farce.(And comparing 80 plus years of history vs. 17.)


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Great. I'll tell you what. One the last day of the season when we know who the 2 #1 seeds are I'll be glad to make a wager with you. You can have the 2 #1 seeds and I'll have the field and we see who gets the finals predicted more accurately. Deal?
No deal, the statistical odds are unfairly in your favor.

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Chose Boston over San Jose just because as year after year passes, San Jose constantly doesnt have that extra push to get over the hump to even make the Cup Finals, so even if they did, I think they would end up losing it.

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Boston lost to Calgary, Calgary lost to San Jose. The Sharks lost to the Wings, and the Wings lost to the Leafs, who lost to Boston.

You really can't base your vote on who beats who.
It was the only game of SJ's that I saw this season. Likewise for Boston. It was the only time I saw both teams, and am basing my opinion from that small sample size.

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01-03-2009, 11:31 AM
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No deal, the statistical odds are unfairly in your favor.
Which was exactly the point I was making.

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It was the only game of SJ's that I saw this season. Likewise for Boston. It was the only time I saw both teams, and am basing my opinion from that small sample size.
The only game I saw of the Maple Leafs and the only game I saw of the Pens was the 7-2 shellacking Toronto put on them.

I guess that means that the Leafs are Stanley Cup champs and Pittsburgh must be cellar dwellers.

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