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01-03-2009, 04:50 PM
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whats with all the bruin threads lately?

I'd hate to be forced into making an all bruins thread.

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01-03-2009, 05:00 PM
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Bruins better win it this year, because next year they have Cap problems - Big time. They will not stay together.

How long do you think Lucic, arguably the best PF in the league, goes along with playing for $850,000 per year?? I smell a holdout.

Boston Cap is already 12 million higher than Canadiens, (63 millions vs. 51 million)

Zdeno Chara $7,500,000
Marc Savard $5,000,000
Patrice Bergeron $4,750,000
Manny Fernandez $4,333,000
Glen Murray $4,150,000
Michael Ryder $4,000,000
Dennis Wideman $3,938,000
Marco Sturm $3,500,000
Tuukka Rask $3,200,000
Aaron Ward $2,500,000
Chuck Kobasew $2,333,000

Lot of big salarys there - but look at where some of there Best Players are at:

Phil Kessel $2,200,000
David Krejci $883,000
Milan Lucic $850,000

Kessel and Krecjci are Restricted Free Agents.
Lucic is signed next year - but they will need to renegotiate, no way he plays for that low salary next year.

Boston cap hit for next year $43 million
Montreal's cap hit for next year is... only $21 million
I really dont see them in cap trouble. Glen murray?? why is he there at 4 mill?? Manny and his 4.3 will be gone. Axe, Ward,Sturm would all be gone if need be to make room to sign the young studs. Boston just needs to keep its core together cause it is a good one. I believe the core consists of Kessel, Krejci, Lucic, Wideman, Rask (though not yet), and Chara. If it came down to it Bergeron should be gone b4 any of those guys especially considering the concussion issues.

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01-03-2009, 05:06 PM
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Rask is 850,000 from this link ; http://www.thefourthperiod.com/Boston.html

Bonuses count on cap this year I believe.

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whats with all the bruin threads lately?

I'd hate to be forced into making an all bruins thread.
I might throw up.


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01-03-2009, 05:21 PM
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There are multiple sites quoting Rask at 3.2 million.

one of them said
"first of all i wonder if they can afford to have rask to be their backup-goalie given his cap hit of 3.2 mill. (including bonuses!)..."

maybe that 850k figure does not take the bonus they are shelling out to him.
Same with Price..he's listed a 850k but the cap hit is 2.2M...i don't get it.

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It's make it or break it this year it seems for the Bruins...cause they'll have fun keeping some key guys next year.

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01-03-2009, 06:15 PM
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Not to mention Rick Nash....
Bruins fan here. There is no way in hell that Lucic is even arguably the best power forward in the league. I can't believe somebody even said it. It is only arguable if the arguee is on crack.

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We lost to Buffalo today, but we're still tops in the league...o wait.

Why is this thread in our forum? Might as well make a thread about the other 28 teams while your at it.

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01-03-2009, 07:02 PM
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Bruins better win it this year, because next year they have Cap problems - Big time. They will not stay together.

How long do you think Lucic, arguably the best PF in the league, goes along with playing for $850,000 per year?? I smell a holdout.
Fail. No holdouts under the new CBA. No contract restructuring is allowed until their final year of their current deal.

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Boston Cap is already 12 million higher than Canadiens, (63 millions vs. 51 million)
Fail. Boston's cap hit is 56.7M without the bonus cushion.

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Montreal's is 56.5M without the bonus cushion.

Zdeno Chara $7,500,000
Marc Savard $5,000,000
Patrice Bergeron $4,750,000
Manny Fernandez $4,333,000
Glen Murray $4,150,000
Fail. Murray's hit is 1.383 for two years. If he wins his case (and he won't) he could go on LTIR and allow the Bruins to exceed the cap.

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Michael Ryder $4,000,000
Dennis Wideman $3,938,000
Marco Sturm $3,500,000
Tuukka Rask $3,200,000
Fail. Rask is on an entry-level deal and he's in Providence. His contract is incentive-laden, so the majority of it will go to the bonus cushion.


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Aaron Ward $2,500,000
Chuck Kobasew $2,333,000

Lot of big salarys there - but look at where some of there Best Players are at:

Phil Kessel $2,200,000
David Krejci $883,000
Milan Lucic $850,000

Kessel and Krecjci are Restricted Free Agents.
Krejci is a certain type of RFA where the Bruins have exclusive rights to his contract, so there won't be any inflation of his price and he's pretty well stuck with whatever Boston offers him. I think the only leverage he has is in arbitration.

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Lucic is signed next year - but they will need to renegotiate, no way he plays for that low salary next year.
Aforementioned fail.

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Boston cap hit for next year $43 million
Montreal's cap hit for next year is... only $21 million
First correct part of that post.



The basis of the argument is correct - the Bruins are in cap trouble for next year. The rest of it is completely off-base. They're not in trouble because Lucic will hold out or Kessel and Krejci will get insane raises. PC is going to play it smart with Kessel but he doesn't expect there to be an offer sheet simply because of the way the economy is going right now.

Now, Boston is in trouble with the cap because they're around 43M for next season already. Then they have to pick up Thomas again (3.5-5M), Kessel (4-5M), Krejci (2.5-3M), a LW (1M) a defenseman (1M), and a backup goalie (1M). That's anywhere from 13-16M which could put them as much as 3M over the cap if the cap stays where it is (and it still might go up). The X factor here is whether or not Jacobs will let PC use the bonus cushion to its fullest extent. If he does, they'll be fine. If not, they'll have to trade away talent for 50 cents on the dollar.

The difference is, it's not like Kessel, Krejci, and Lucic are going to disband. Instead, PC will probably have to look at offloading Sturm or Kobasew for draft picks or pull off some impressive negotiation skills with Thomas. Sturm has a NTC, but if faced with the prospect of getting waived I'm sure he'd come up with a list of ten teams he'd accept a trade to.

Personally, I think Thomas might take a hometown discount for a one-year deal. Chiarelli has already begun negotiations with him to see what he's thinking. He needs to get a read on that before the season is over. He won't re-sign him during the year, but he'll come to an agreement.

If the cap goes up even 1-1.5M, it's a huge deal to the Bruins, as they'll just be able to cut costs without losing a 20-goal scorer.


As for the year after, Savard's 5M will be coming off the books with Ward's 2.5M and Ference's 1.4M. They HAVE to get more cap efficiency out of their D, which means they'll probably be looking to the prospect pool to get it done. In any case, that will be plenty to re-up Lucic and Wheeler.

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Bonuses count on cap this year I believe.
Once the league and the NHLPA extend the CBA, the bonuses come off the cap.


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