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01-04-2009, 12:29 PM
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Habs Future - Core Competencies

I've been thinking alot about the future of the Habs after this centennial year. Where will they be considering their UFA situation, and if the CAP goes down in 2010-11 like most experts are predicting, how do they structure contracts in order to be ready for that.

In my opinion, they have to look at their Core Competencies (Strengths). Their #1 competency is goaltending. Their future plan should be based around re-signing Price to a long term deal at the end of 2009-10. They should then build from that strength and put one of the Top Defenses in the League in front of him.

Here's how I would go about it:

1) Trade the Kastsityn brothers to Florida for Jay Bo.

2) At the end of the year re-sign

Jay Bo 4yrs
Komi 4yrs
Kosto 2yrs
Plek 2yrs
Higgins 2yrs
Stewart 2yrs
Chipchura 2yrs
Latendresse 2yrs
D'Agostini 2yrs
Koivu 2yrs. (Let the rest walk).

3) Sign a mid-level free agent. (2nd line winger)

2009-10 Starting lineup Cap is at $56 Million
D'Agostini Koivu Higgins = $ 8 Million
Pacioretty Plekanec (UFA) = $ 8 Million
Latendresse Lapierre Kotsopolous = $ 2.5 Million
Stewart Chipchura Laraque = $ 3 Million
Maxwell = $850 K
Forwards = $22.350 Million

Komisarek Markov = $11 Million
Hamirlik Jay Bo = $12 Million
Gorges Weber = $2 Million
O'Byrne = $950 K
Defense = $25.950 Million

Price = $2.3 Million
Halak = $775 K
Goaltenders = 3.075 Miilion

Total: $51.375 Million

End of 2009-10

1) Re-sign Price and Desjardins.

2) Trade Hamirlik for picks.

3) Forwards more or less stay the same, unless prospects develop.

2009-10 Starting Lineup: Cap is at $53 Million.

D'Agostini Koivu Higgins = $ 8 Million
Pacioretty Plekanec (UFA) = $ 8 Million
Latendresse Lapierre Kotsopolous = $ 2.5 Million
Stewart Chipchura Laraque = $ 3 Million
Maxwell = $850 K
Forwards = $22.350 Million

Komisarek Markov = $11 Million
(McDonnagh, Subban, Fischer) Jay Bo = $8.5 Million
Gorges Weber = $2 Million
O'Byrne = $950 K
Defense = $22.450 Million

Price = $ 7 Million
Desjardins = $800 K
Goaltenders = $7.8 Million

Total = $52.600 Million

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2) At the end of the year re-sign

Jay Bo 4yrs
Komi 4yrs
Kosto 2yrs
Plek 2yrs
Higgins 2yrs
Stewart 2yrs
Chipchura 2yrs
Latendresse 2yrs
D'Agostini 2yrs
Koivu 2yrs. (Let the rest walk).
You're already in fantasy land. The terms of your contracts are not remotely realistic. Do you really think the agents are gonna have all of those guys sign short term deals?

Jay Bouwmeester will be offered contracts for six, seven or eight years. Look at what Wade Redden, a fraction of the player, got last summer.

You think Montreal will be able to 'buy' two more years of all their young players so they can continue to watch them develop? C'mon, be realistic. They'll get put over a barrel and have to reward some guys before they start delivering, rolling the dice, in order to get them under contract.

We've seen plenty of players sign big deals where you're a little taken a back - "Wow, Milan Michalek just got a juicy pay day" - and you realize, this is the cost of doing business in todays NHL.

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I don't even know where to begin...
How about here:

1) Trade the Kastsityn brothers to Florida for Jay Bo.

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The economic landscape of the NHL has changed, this is what I am saying. Teams have to plan for it.

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How about here:

1) Trade the Kastsityn brothers to Florida for Jay Bo.
Fair enough...



No dice.

Plus your forward line up projection has very little veteran presence and would set the team back another 5 years.

You cannot depend on so many young payers to bring it on a nightly basis.

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No dice.
What if Jay Bo signs an extension. What about then?

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What if Jay Bo signs an extension. What about then?
I don't like the idea of having 4 Dmen take about 40% of our teams cap.


This is Tampa Bay all over again.

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No dice.

Plus your forward line up projection has very little veteran presence and would set the team back another 5 years.

You cannot depend on so many young payers to bring it on a nightly basis.
Teams will HAVE to depend on young players in order to make cap. Teams have to recognize where they are strong, spend money in that area to secure it. And then draft well in the other areas.

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You're already in fantasy land. The terms of your contracts are not remotely realistic. Do you really think the agents are gonna have all of those guys sign short term deals?
They have in the past: Higgins, Komisarek, Plekanec all signed 2 yr deals as RFA's, in a much better economic landscape.


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I don't like the idea of having 4 Dmen take about 40% of our teams cap.


This is Tampa Bay all over again.
i think tampa's problem wasnt so much the big 4 taking up so much money as the fact that they didnt have enough depth in the other positions (bad drafting and all that) and they didnt really have a goalie after khabibulin left.. in theory a great d + a great goalie should be able to compensate (as long as we keep drafting and have some guys up front capable of putting the puck in the net.. which, at this point, based on the way guys are developing we should still be able to do)

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Teams will HAVE to depend on young players in order to make cap. Teams have to recognize where they are strong, spend money in that area to secure it. And then draft well in the other areas.



They have in the past: Higgins, Komisarek, Plekanec all signed 2 yr deals as RFA's, in a much better economic landscape.
No...teams need to have a balance between a veteran presence and youth.

Your model is based on getting rid of a player once they deserve any type of money and that does not win cups.

Anyways, I disagree with all of your points and it doesnt appear as if youre willing to budge so Im done with this

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I don't like the idea of having 4 Dmen take about 40% of our teams cap.


This is Tampa Bay all over again.
No, sounds more like anahiem, it worked for them.

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How about here:

1) Trade the Kastsityn brothers to Florida for Jay Bo.
Not to be a jerk or anything, but that's exactly where I stopped reading.

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Wrong thread I think I'm on a RDS talkback right now

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1) Trade the Kastsityn brothers to Florida for Jay Bo.

I DONT LIKE THIS!!!

Why trade two good young wingers for a UFA Defensemen when he'll probably walk in the offseason to the highest bidder?

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I don't even know where to begin...
Agreed just so many things that are over the top....Just trade the brothers for Jaybo with no guarentee he will sign here, I mean come on.

Add to this Halak is gone and we have Desjardins as a backup who has not even shown he can play consistently at the AHL level yet...ouch.

Also does Hammer not have a no trade clause?

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I've been thinking alot about the future of the Habs after this centennial year. Where will they be considering their UFA situation, and if the CAP goes down in 2010-11 like most experts are predicting, how do they structure contracts in order to be ready for that.

In my opinion, they have to look at their Core Competencies (Strengths). Their #1 competency is goaltending. Their future plan should be based around re-signing Price to a long term deal at the end of 2009-10. They should then build from that strength and put one of the Top Defenses in the League in front of him.

Here's how I would go about it:

1) Trade the Kastsityn brothers to Florida for Jay Bo.

2) At the end of the year re-sign

Jay Bo 4yrs
Komi 4yrs
Kosto 2yrs
Plek 2yrs
Higgins 2yrs
Stewart 2yrs
Chipchura 2yrs
Latendresse 2yrs
D'Agostini 2yrs
Koivu 2yrs. (Let the rest walk).

3) Sign a mid-level free agent. (2nd line winger)

2009-10 Starting lineup Cap is at $56 Million
D'Agostini Koivu Higgins = $ 8 Million
Pacioretty Plekanec (UFA) = $ 8 Million
Latendresse Lapierre Kotsopolous = $ 2.5 Million
Stewart Chipchura Laraque = $ 3 Million
Maxwell = $850 K
Forwards = $22.350 Million

Komisarek Markov = $11 Million
Hamirlik Jay Bo = $12 Million
Gorges Weber = $2 Million
O'Byrne = $950 K
Defense = $25.950 Million

Price = $2.3 Million
Halak = $775 K
Goaltenders = 3.075 Miilion

Total: $51.375 Million

End of 2009-10

1) Re-sign Price and Desjardins.

2) Trade Hamirlik for picks.

3) Forwards more or less stay the same, unless prospects develop.

2009-10 Starting Lineup: Cap is at $53 Million.

D'Agostini Koivu Higgins = $ 8 Million
Pacioretty Plekanec (UFA) = $ 8 Million
Latendresse Lapierre Kotsopolous = $ 2.5 Million
Stewart Chipchura Laraque = $ 3 Million
Maxwell = $850 K
Forwards = $22.350 Million

Komisarek Markov = $11 Million
(McDonnagh, Subban, Fischer) Jay Bo = $8.5 Million
Gorges Weber = $2 Million
O'Byrne = $950 K
Defense = $22.450 Million

Price = $ 7 Million
Desjardins = $800 K
Goaltenders = $7.8 Million

Total = $52.600 Million

This is officially the worst post I've ever read. There is no way that any of this happens simultaniously.
I'm speachless

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Agreed just so many things that are over the top....Just trade the brothers for Jaybo with no guarentee he will sign here, I mean come on.

Add to this Halak is gone and we have Desjardins as a backup who has not even shown he can play consistently at the AHL level yet...ouch.

Also does Hammer not have a no trade clause?
i vaguely remember something about about hammer and a NTC too but i wasnt sure.

as for the rest.. although its not necessarily bad to have a top 4 including j-bo, hammer, komi and markov given the whole "build from the net out" theme the team is employing, it'd still be a risky proposition in the long run

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This is officially the worst post I've ever read. There is no way that any of this happens simultaniously.
I'm speachless
Of course this is not going to happen.

All I am saying is that in 2 years the following will likely happen:

1) The cap will go down significantly
2) The Habs Have to re-sign Price
3) If we maintain what we have we will be strong in goal and mediocre at both the forward and defense positions.

Therefore, this summer the Habs will have to make serious moves in preperation for 2010.

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I realy dislike you forward group, no Andreď? no Kovy? Who will score goals for us? Andreď is a keeper, IMO he's our best youngster after Price (all prospects included) and our best goal scorer on the team.

And then a mid level free agent? You get rid of Kovy, Andreď, Sergueď, Tanguay, Lang and you replace that by a mid level free agent? Again, who will score goals for us?

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I realy dislike you forward group, no Andreď? no Kovy? Who will score goals for us? Andreď is a keeper, IMO he's our best youngster after Price (all prospects included) and our best goal scorer on the team.

And then a mid level free agent? You get rid of Kovy, Andreď, Sergueď, Tanguay, Lang and you replace that by a mid level free agent? Again, who will score goals for us?
Who Will score goals ON us.

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Who Will score goals ON us.
Say we give up an average of 2 goals against per game....the problem is your group of forwads will likely have trouble getting the 3 goals needed to win.....

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Who Will score goals ON us.
You want to turn us into the Florida Panthers? Or the New-Jersey Devils?

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You want to turn us into the Florida Panthers? Or the New-Jersey Devils?
God no.....

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