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01-04-2009, 04:26 PM
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LOL

No there are NOT more then 15 guys with more points then Zherdev.
WTF? Kozlov has 35 pts which I think you'll agree is higher than Z's 34. Every name above Kozlov has more than him, thus, meaning they also have more points than Z. If there are more than 16 names there then Z can't be 16th in scoring because there are more than 16 names ahead of him with more points.

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01-04-2009, 04:26 PM
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No there are NOT more then 15 guys with more points then Zherdev.

Holy ****ing Christ. I even LISTED it.

There are 15 POINT values higher then what Zherdev has.

Do you get it???

Once you guys wrap your heads around that concept, then you'll get it.

You are simply listing how many players appear. That is where you are wrong in this.

you have to list how many different POINT VALUES there are. And who falls into those point values. Then you get the real rankings.

1 Malkin
60

2
Ovechkin
53

3 Crosby
50

4 Savard
49

5
Parise, Thornton
46
46

6 Iginla
45

7 Getzlaf, Backstrom
44
44

8 Carter
43

9 Datsyuk, Richards
42
42

10 Marleau, Sedin, Elias, Kane, Krejci
41
41
41
41
41

11 Kessel, Gagne
40
40

12 Nash, Kovalchuk
39
39

13 Doan
38

14 Setoguchi, Hossa, Koivu, Sedin,
37
37
37
37

15 Kozlov
36

16 Vanek, Heatley, Zetterberg, St. Louis, Roy, White, Zherdev
35
35
35
35
35
35
35
ok so count how many guys you listed there with point totals higher than zherdev

but i know logic probably won't help, you probably just are stupid...

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01-04-2009, 04:27 PM
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You're the only person on the face of the earth who handles statistics that way. When will you be writing your first thesis or textbook to entirely change how statistics have been utilized across the world in every profession and every college/university class room?

Your tiebreaker analogy has nothing to do with your argument btw. Having two teams tied for 2nd place has no bearing on the following team being 4th in the standings.


1 Malkin
60


2
Ovechkin
53

3 Crosby
50

4 Savard
49

5
Parise, Thornton
46
46

6 Iginla
45

7 Getzlaf, Backstrom
44
44

8 Carter
43

9 Datsyuk, Richards
42
42

10 Marleau, Sedin, Elias, Kane, Krejci
41
41
41
41
41

11 Kessel, Gagne
40
40

12 Nash, Kovalchuk
39
39

13 Doan
38

14 Setoguchi, Hossa, Koivu, Sedin,
37
37
37
37

15 Kozlov
36

16 Vanek, Heatley, Zetterberg, St. Louis, Roy, White, Zherdev, Hemsky
35
35
35
35
35
35
35
35



Please tell me how many point values you see.

16.



Now, please tell me how many names you see.



Yes, there are 35 NAMES. And you can surely list them 1 through 35. But that doesn't mean you are listing them correctly according to their point values.

There are 16 different point totals. Not 35 different point totals.

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LOL

No there are NOT more then 15 guys with more points then Zherdev.

Holy ****ing Christ. I even LISTED it.

There are 15 POINT values higher then what Zherdev has.

Do you get it???

Once you guys wrap your heads around that concept, then you'll get it.

You are simply listing how many players appear. That is where you are wrong in this.

you have to list how many different POINT VALUES there are. And who falls into those point values. Then you get the real rankings.

1 Malkin
60

2
Ovechkin
53

3 Crosby
50

4 Savard
49

5
Parise, Thornton
46
46

6 Iginla
45

7 Getzlaf, Backstrom
44
44

8 Carter
43

9 Datsyuk, Richards
42
42

10 Marleau, Sedin, Elias, Kane, Krejci
41
41
41
41
41

11 Kessel, Gagne
40
40

12 Nash, Kovalchuk
39
39

13 Doan
38

14 Setoguchi, Hossa, Koivu, Sedin,
37
37
37
37

15 Kozlov
36

16 Vanek, Heatley, Zetterberg, St. Louis, Roy, White, Zherdev
35
35
35
35
35
35
35
Values and Rankings are two very, very different things.

I recommend enrolling in an Elementary Statistics class at your local community college.

Maybe then you'll understand the distinction between being ranked 35th in the league in scoring and possessing the 16th highest point value. It's that simple.

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ok so count how many guys you listed there with point totals higher than zherdev

but i know logic probably won't help, you probably just are stupid...


HOW MANY POINT VALUES ARE ABOVE ZHERDEV'S.

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Values and Rankings are two very, very different things.

I recommend enrolling in an Elementary Statistics class at your local community college.
Vanek- 35
Zherdev- 35

Tell me again, WHY would Vanek have a higher point total ranking?

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LOL

No there are NOT more then 15 guys with more points then Zherdev.

Holy ****ing Christ. I even LISTED it.

There are 15 POINT values higher then what Zherdev has.

Do you get it???

Once you guys wrap your heads around that concept, then you'll get it.

You are simply listing how many players appear. That is where you are wrong in this.

you have to list how many different POINT VALUES there are. And who falls into those point values. Then you get the real rankings.

1 Malkin
60

2
Ovechkin
53

3 Crosby
50

4 Savard
49

5
Parise, Thornton
46
46

6 Iginla
45

7 Getzlaf, Backstrom
44
44

8 Carter
43

9 Datsyuk, Richards
42
42

10 Marleau, Sedin, Elias, Kane, Krejci
41
41
41
41
41

11 Kessel, Gagne
40
40

12 Nash, Kovalchuk
39
39

13 Doan
38

14 Setoguchi, Hossa, Koivu, Sedin,
37
37
37
37

15 Kozlov
36

16 Vanek, Heatley, Zetterberg, St. Louis, Roy, White, Zherdev
35
35
35
35
35
35
35
I don't even know where to start with this. Are you being serious where your trying to bring some sort of point values chart to try to explain to us how there arent more then 15 players with more points with him?

Seriously?

There are four players with 37 points (all more then Zherdev). Now are you trying to use some silly logic to tell us that only equals 1 person since thus not factoring in as 4 people ahead of Zherdev but only one?

You are making zero sense, I would just stop now.

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01-04-2009, 04:32 PM
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Vanek- 35
Zherdev- 35

Tell me again, WHY would Vanek have a higher point total ranking?
These rankings are correct.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/statis...9&seasontype=2

Like it or not their correct. In the NHL Z is ranked 28th and in the East he is ranked 15th in points.

And Vanek doesn't their tied at 15th in the East and 28th in the NHL.

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I don't even know where to start with this. Are you being serious where your trying to bring some sort of point values chart to try to explain to us how there arent more then 15 players with more points with him?

Seriously?


There are 15 players above him.

Not all of them have different point totals.

Do you get it?

There are 16 point totals.

Some have equal amount of points as others.

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Vanek- 35
Zherdev- 35

Tell me again, WHY would Vanek have a higher point total ranking?
Don't worry about Vanek, just the players above both of them. Yes, there are only 16 numbers above Z, but more than one player can have that #.
It is correct to say that 'no player in the NHL has scored more than 16 points more than Z" because no player is above 60 pts
It is incorrect to say "z is tied for 16th in the NHL scoring race" because there are more than 16 names between him and the highest scorer (not counting people on the same points total as Z.
Clear?

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There are 15 players above him.

Not all of them have different point totals.

Do you get it?

There are 16 point totals.

Some have equal amount of points as others.
There are four players with 37 points (all more then Zherdev). Now are you trying to use some silly logic to tell us that only equals 1 person since thus not factoring in as 4 people ahead of Zherdev but only one?

Im still debating if your being serious in this..

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There are four players with 37 points (all more then Zherdev). Now are you trying to use some silly logic to tell us that only equals 1 person since thus not factoring in as 4 people ahead of Zherdev but only one?

Im still debating if your being serious in this..
No, What i'm saying is that those four players with 37 points are tied for 15th in the league in scoring.

If there are 4 guys with 37 points, above Zherdev's 35. There is sill only one point value. Regardless.

So you have to list it like this:

1- Malkin 60
2- Ovechkin 53
3- Crosby 50
4- Savard 49
5- Parise 46
- Thornton 46
6- Iginla 45

There are two guys who are tied for 5th. But Iginla, regardless of being the 7th player listed, is only ranked 6th in point totals.

Why is it such a hard concept to grasp?

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perry pearn
He's quite possibly one of the worst coaches in hockey right now.

I'd like to see him go to the all star game to run the East's power play just to see if he still cant find a formula that leads to goals with the likes of malkin, ovechkin, crosby, etc

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