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11-28-2008, 06:46 PM
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You are incorrect, unless you are referring to the World Juniors

2008 World Championships


yeah that was there first world championship in how many years

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yeah that was there first world championship in how many years
# 2002 - Silver medal winner
# 2005 - Bronze medal winner
# 2007 - Bronze medal winner
# 2008 - Gold medal winner

from the look of things, they are always in the mix

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1.Soccer
2.Basketball
3. Ice Hockey
Noooooo.

Anyway, in terms of media coverage hockey is not far behind football, very close in fact.

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The thing with this new league is that not all these franchises are going to work out. As time goes on different teams will arise in different cities that become more profitable as the league becomes more profitable and competitive. We see poor attendance in the NHL too, this is hardly something that is limited to the KHL. Sure some teams are bound to fold, but others will spring up to take their place and we will surely see expansion to the west of Russia within the next couple years anyways.

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Attendance in November and December 2008 for the Moscow teams:

Dynamo M
02.11.2008 - 5200
14.11.2008 - 5500
28.11.2008 - 5100
01.12.2008 - 5600
23.12.2008 - 4500
24.12.2008 - 4500

Spartak M
02.11.2008 – 3250
23.11.2008 – 3620
01.12.2008 – 3500
04.12.2008 – 3150
23.12.2008 – 3200
28.12.2008 – 3500

CSKA M
18.11.2008 – 3100
25.11.2008 – 3200
27.11.2008 – 2000
29.11.2008 – 3500
02.12.2008 – 3500
12.12.2008 – 4700
24.12.2008 – 2330
25.12.2008 – 4100
28.12.2008 – 2140

Atlant M
01.11.2008 – 6000
13.11.2008 – 6605
16.11.2008 – 7000
21.11.2008 – 6850
02.12.2008 – 6500
24.12.2008 – 5970
26.12.2008 – 7500
28.12.2008 – 5500
30.12.2008 – 6000

Average:
Atlant – 6436
Dynamo – 5067
Spartak – 3370
CSKA – 3147

Now the big question. What are the average ticket fees in Russia?
Atlant and Dynamo have decent attendance for european elite hockey but lousy compared to NHL.

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01-05-2009, 04:33 AM
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Atlant – 6436
Dynamo – 5067
Spartak – 3370
CSKA – 3147
Atlant is not Moscow. Also consider the arena sizes. Spartak and CSKA play in 5-thnders. Dynamo in a 10-thnder, Atlant in 8-thnder. So it's reasonable attendence for Atlant.

In general hockey interest in Moscow sucks.

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Atlant is not Moscow. Also consider the arena sizes. Spartak and CSKA play in 5-thnders. Dynamo in a 10-thnder, Atlant in 8-thnder. So it's reasonable attendence for Atlant.

In general hockey interest in Moscow sucks.
But far away from reasonable if you intend to challenge the NHL.
How about the ticket prizes? How much does it cost to attend a KHL-game in Russia and what are the average salaries for the average russians?

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But far away from reasonable if you intend to challenge the NHL.
How about the ticket prizes?
Examples (30 rub approx 1 $):

Omsk 50 to 700 rub.
Kazan: 150 to 600 rub, 275 to 1000 the playoffs. Season tickets: from 3500 to 9800
CSKA: 100 to 800, VIP lounge upto 1700

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what are the average salaries for the average russians?
Hard to say, I remmeber last year the average salary in Moscow (janitors to Gazprom directors included) was 1000$. Tickets prices are reasonable: games away from Moscow are quite often sold out or close to it.

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KHL-game in Russia and what are the average salaries for the average russians?
The most recent figure I have seen (which is actually not very recent; from sometime this past summer) was $600 as the average monthly salary countrywide. This, of course, varies heavily between say Moscow and Ingushetia or Chukotka.

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Examples (30 rub approx 1 $):

Omsk 50 to 700 rub.
Kazan: 150 to 600 rub, 275 to 1000 the playoffs. Season tickets: from 3500 to 9800
CSKA: 100 to 800, VIP lounge upto 1700



Hard to say, I remmeber last year the average salary in Moscow (janitors to Gazprom directors included) was 1000$. Tickets prices are reasonable: games away from Moscow are quite often sold out or close to it.
In Novosibirsk average salary is 15 000 rub.

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Somewhere around 600-1000$ a month. Is that before or after taxe?

Let´s just compare with Sweden. I think the average salary is about 3500$ a month and then theres an income tax a bit over 1/3 så you have say 2200$ left. But there are of course quite a lot people earning less than that. A typical low paid job as ganitor maybe give 2500 £ before and therefore 1750 after tax - roughly.

Ticket prizes in SEL are from 20$ up to 35 $. Season tickets range from 600 to 1250 $ a season and that´s for 27-28 homegames.

The average attendance for the whole SEL is at the moment 6121. Frölunda is topping with 11200 and a handful of teams has +6000 average. Luleå and Rögle have just below 5000 and Södertälje are behind with 3878. Djurgården has an average of 5351 and everybody is talking about the crisis for hockey in Stockholm.


The question is, are there enough people who can afford attending the games? It seems like the ticket prizes may bee too high? I mean were talking about Russia for God sake. The interest for hockey can´t be that bad. If we had the same players in SEL there would be a crowded house night after night.

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Somewhere around 600-1000$ a month. Is that before or after taxe?

Let´s just compare with Sweden.
You can safely multiply the Rus numbers by 2 though to account for purchase parity. That's is a loaf of bread at 12-25 SEK=60-120 rubs would cause a rebellion in Russia

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The interest for hockey can´t be that bad. If we had the same players in SEL there would be a crowded house night after night.
First, football rules the day. Second, Moscow region -St. Pete where the interest in hockey is generally low have 6 teams. That brings the numbers quite a bit. If you look at attendence in bigger regional centers (Yaroslavl, Omsk, Kazan, Ufa) - their houses are ususally at 80-100% capacity.

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You can safely multiply the Rus numbers by 2 though to account for purchase parity. That's is a loaf of bread at 12-25 SEK=60-120 rubs would cause a rebellion in Russia
But still, when getting players to the team, especially outside of Russia they will compare the salaries of all the other leagues. I don´t thinkt that foreign players take the low living cost in Russia in their calculations. The problem for swedish teams is that the net income for the players is quite low due to high tax rates overall.

I watched Kazans attendance and it ranged from 4800 up to 5600 in november. It doesn´t really matter if it is at an 80-100% capacity, if you intend to challenge the NHL the attendance is catastrophic. I read an article yesterday in a swedish newspaper where Larionov was quite worried about the financial situation. The KHL did the mistake of trying to bigger than the market in Russia is. No way that you will see the same salaries in the Russian league next season. Not when the income for the clubs is almost solely based on rich owners. The clubs must stand on their own feet. Who knows if the KHL will survive more than one year?


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