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01-06-2009, 01:58 AM
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1/5/09: Nashville vs. Colorado

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Nashville Predators (17-18-3, 4th Central, 14th West)

Last Game: Calgary 3 @ Nashville 2
Last Ten Games: 3-6-1
Home Record: 10-6-1
Record vs. Colorado:
OT/Shootout Record: 5-3
Goals For: 93
Goals Against: 112
Power Play: 13.0%, 29th
Home Power Play: 13.3%, 25th
Penalty Kill: 83.2%, 9th
Home Penalty Kill: 86.1%, 4th

Nashville Team Leaders
Goals: Jason Arnott, 15
Assists: Jean-Pierre Dumont, 24
Points: Dumont, 31 (7g+24a)
Power Play Goals: Arnott, 5
Power Play Scoring: Dumont, 11 (1g+10a)
Short Handed Goals: Five Tied with 1
Short Handed Scoring: Scott Nichol, 3 (0g+3a)
Shots: Shea Weber, 121
Shooting Percentage: Arnott, 14.0%
Plus-Minus: Weber, +9
Penalty Minutes: Jordin Tootoo, 72
Hits: Weber, 86
Blocked Shots: Greg Zanon, 107
Giveaways: Dumont, 25
Takeaways: Dan Hamhuis, 28
Turnover Differential: Joel Ward, +19
Faceoffs Won: Arnott, 258-237
Faceoff Percentage: Radek Bonk, 63.1%
Time On Ice: Weber, 23:46
Wins: Dan Ellis, 10-14-3
Minutes Played: Ellis, 1571
Goals Against Average: Pekka Rinne, 2.48
Save Percentage: Rinne, .912
Shutouts: Rinne, 3

Nashville Fun Fact: The Predators have killed off 51 of 56 penalties since 12/1/08, moving from 24th (79.8%) to 9th (83.2%) in the NHL. They have not allowed a power play goal at home since 12/13/08.

Nashville Player to Watch: Defenseman Shea Weber is the only regular in the lineup with multiple points in three games against Colorado this season.

Nashville Reason to Worry: Nearly half of the assists of JP Dumont and Martin Erat (18/38) have come on goals by Jason Arnott. Why is this bad? Because Arnott, the team's leading goal scorer, has three goals since 12/1/08.

Nashville Injury Report
Scott Nichol (Concussion, Doubtful)
Steve Sullivan (Back, Out)

Nashville Projected Lineup
Ward-Arnott-Dumont
Fiddler-Legwand-Erat
Tootoo-Bonk-Smithson

Weber-Suter
Hamhuis-Zanon
De Vries-Klein

Ellis


Colorado Avalanche (19-19-1, 5th Northwest, 12th West)

Last Game: Minnesota 2 @ Colorado 0
Last Ten Games: 5-5-0
Away Record: 8-11-1
Record vs. Nashville: 2-1-0
OT/Shootout Record: 8-1
Goals For: 104
Goals Against: 115
Power Play: 16.0%, 21st
Away Power Play: 14.6%, 23rd
Penalty Kill: 79.4%, 25th
Away Penalty Kill: 77.1%, 24th

Colorado Team Leaders
Goals: Milan Hejduk, 13
Assists: Paul Stastny, 21
Points: Stastny, 31 (10g+21a)
Power Play Goals: Stastny/Ryan Smyth, 6
Power Play Scoring:
Short Handed Goals: Wojtek Wolski/Chris Stewart, 1
Short Handed Scoring:
Shots: Smyth, 120
Shooting Percentage: David Jones, 15.0%
Plus-Minus: T.J. Hensick, +6
Penalty Minutes: Cody McLeod, 84
Hits: McLeod, 88
Blocked Shots: Clark, 122
Giveaways: Smyth, 34
Takeaways: Wolski, 33
Turnover Differential: David Jones/Ian Laperriere, +10
Faceoffs Won: Stastny, 366-318
Faceoff Percentage: Joe Sakic, 54.2%
Time On Ice: Brett Clark, 22:03
Wins: Peter Budaj, 13-18-1
Minutes Played: Budaj, 1938
Goals Against Average: Budaj, 2.82
Save Percentage: Budaj, .901
Shutouts: Budaj, 1

Colorado Fun Fact: The Avs are one of the top shootout teams in the NHL. They have an impressive 55.6% shooting percentage (3rd), a .741 save percentage (5th), and a 7-1 record in the shootout (2nd).

Colorado Player to Watch: Netminder Peter Budaj has a 2-1-0 record, with a 1.34 GAA against the Predators.

Colorado Reason to Worry: The Avalanche continue to be deficient on special teams in both ends of the rink. Over their last five games, they've gone 3/21 (14.3%) on the power play, and 16/21 (76.2%) on the penalty kill.

Colorado Injury Report
Adam Foote (Arm, Out)
Cody McCormick (Stress Fracture+Foot, Out)
Paul Stastny (Broken Arm, Out)
Joe Sakic (Herniated Disc+Hand, Out)
Ian Laperriere (Back, Out)

Colorado Projected Lineup
Smyth-Wolski-Hejduk
Stewart-Hensick-Jones
Tucker-Arnason-Svatos
McLeod--Willsie

Clark-Hannan
Leopold-Liles
Salei-Cumiskey

Budaj

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I believe Trotz intimated that a poor offensive showing/no points tonight would lead to us making a callup or two from Milwuakee. So I have two questions:

1) What makes this game the straw that breaks the camels back, after a solid month and a half of sucking offensively?

2) Should we, as fans who want the team to win, hope that the team loses?

The reason I ask number 2 is because clearly this team needs an infusion of some type of offensive talent. Putting grinders on your first and second line, and then proceeding to ice some of the worst third and fourth line even strength players in the league is a recipe for absolute disaster. I hate for the Predators to lose, but if one lose forces this team to make changes, I will take it at this point.

EDIT: It looks like Jones was just called up. I still would love to see Santorelli get a chance.

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Is Ellis starting for sure tonight?

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Is Ellis starting for sure tonight?
probably but I havent seen anything official anywhere




>> Who's hot: Center Radek Bonk has assists in back-to-back games and leads the NHL in face-off efficiency (63.1 percent).

>> Who's not: Center David Legwand has one goal and four points in his last 13 games.

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Is Ellis starting for sure tonight?
Brandon Felder is reporting that Rinne will start in net tonight and that Jones will be on a Dumont-Legwand line.

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What's up Jones?

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What do you know, you call up somebody with actual talent, and he scores a friggen goal. Way to use that gigantic head of yours Trotz...

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Easy on the personal insults there moderator.

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Well, we played hard, but the offense is still not clicking for the majority of the game. The first period was easily our best period, but we just couldn't mount a come back after the second goal (nice coverage Fids!!!!). Our best chance was Dumont's breakaway.

On a side note: How the heck did Liles (?) not get a penalty on the Dumont breakaway for skating in a second or two after the shot, and ramming the goal untouched off its moorings?

Tonight was a night we had to get a win. Raycroft is hot right now, but come on.... its Andrew Raycroft. Add in an injury to Adam Foote and an already weakened offense (no Stasny or Sakic) - this game was there for the taking.

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wow, do the Predators suck or what?

I don't know if I can keep watching games like this. Maybe 14 good minutes of hockey from this team, then they pack it in? Only bright spot right now is Rinne seems really solid. Goaltending like that will earn you a lot of wins in this league. Conversely, offensive production (or lack thereof) like this will LOSE most nights, as we are painfully aware. This team is not just one or two players from playing more than 82, they are at least 3-4 players away from it.

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A new low in a month of new lows. This was a must win against a battered, mediocre team. Dumont looks awful. Team makes 3 defensive gaffs every game and at least one leads to a goal every game and we score 1 goal every game. The best we can hope for at this point is a 1-1 tie. There is a lot of really bad offensive luck at this point but the team is too fragile when the luck goes against them. They could be out of it by the middle of next week if they don't find a way to right the ship. This was a golden opportunity and they pissed it away with another one-goal effort.

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Well that was one massive turd we just laid.

Some observations:

1. Our defensemen outside of Weber and Suter are gaffe machines. The Zanon-Hamhuis pairing hasn't really worked out. De Vries didn't play too well. Klein didn't play that well, but he's still learning the game and I expect him to make mistakes. We need a defenseman as much as we need a forward. It doesn't help that a number of our forwards don't even know the meaning of the word "defense."
2. Dumont's display of frustration on the bench is something I've been wanting to see for a while now. He showed emotion, he's frustrated, he's had enough of this crap. Exactly the way the fan base has felt for the last month or so, and it's starting to seep into the locker room. Not sure that's necessarily a good thing for the team's confidence, though.
3. Our power play gives the other team momentum. Even though it's nice to see Tootoo drawing penalties (like he did tonight against McLeod), it doesn't have the intended effect because our power play is flat-out pathetic.
4. Jones was the best player on the ice tonight. Good game from him, I hope we don't send him down. He's actually crashing the net and trying to pick up rebounds. We need more of that.
5. If we're going to have a speedy 3rd/4th line option with offensive skill in lieu of Nichol, I'd just as soon have Cal O'Reilly out there. He can't possibly be worse than Peverley, who I thought may have been the worst player on the ice tonight.
6. How the hell do you lose a game that you control so well? We won well over half the face-offs, had the puck all night, had over 50 total attempted shots, and lost 2-1. That's just absolutely baffling to me.
7. Rinne didn't look as sharp as he typically has this season, but he played well enough to win that game. The diving save at the end was the highlight of the night.
8. How many times did we turn the puck over tonight? Good God.
9. We dominated the first ten minutes of this hockey game. Just dominated. We were in complete control, buzzing around the net, generating chances, hell, even Arnott was hustling... and then we just quit. The Avs cranked up their forecheck and we just quit skating.
10. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!


Trotz needs to re-evaluate his assistants. Badly. Whoever is running the power play sure as hell isn't doing a good job. He also needs to re-evaluate his line combos. Fiddler-Arnott-Erat is not a good line. At all.


Please, for the love of all things holy, call-up Santorelli and plop him on the wing.

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No matter what else you say tonight, you have to hand it to the guys for their start. Arnott really helped set the tone with his line on the first shift of the game, followed by Legwand's line, and then Peverley's line looked the best of all early. Bonk and Smithson come out with Belak, they kept rolling the lines and eventually you look up and see that the Preds have outshot the Avs 9-0 in the first 11 minutes of the game. The guys were playing simple hockey. They were playing a read and react, instinctual game. If the Avs defense stood up at the blueline, we chipped it behind them. If the D backed in, we entered the zone with speed, layered our attack, and created chances. We were involving the D in our attacks and working as a five-man unit attacking the Avs in all three zones. Heck, we even took a 1-0 lead when Jonesey simply buried his head and busted his butt to get to the front of the net to convert on Dumont's rebound. Things were beautiful.

Then the referees decided to actually make a call...it was clear from the onset that this was a getaway day for the refs. They let things go all night long, rulebook and points of emphasis be damned - but that's another story in and of itself. McLeod grabs Tootoo wanting to fight to try to change the momentum, but Jordin declines, whistle blows and we got Power Play Predators! And that's when the wheels fell off the bus. We went from playing simple hockey, read and react hockey, to trying to run set plays with the man-advantage and what did that do...it made the players start to think. Thinking slows things down at this level. If you are not playing instinctually at this level you are in trouble. So we start to try to force plays that aren't there, make poor decisions, turn the puck over, watch as we provide no support to the breakout/regroup, watch as the puck-carrier under pressure on the breakout/regroup makes a bad decision because his support guys are either standing still or stretching the play and have their backs turned to him, re-enter the zone, turn it over again immediately - again because people are standing still, try to regroup again, but are turned back, try to breakout, but are turned back, finally get the puck into the zone for one last attempt, and have a shot blocked.

At this point we just gave Colorado some momentum and what happens? Smyth up to Hejduk, Hejduk over to Wolski breaking to the net and we are tied at 1-1. Defensive coverage blown, forwards (Fiddler) fail to support the pinching defender (Weber) and we are started down the slippery slope. So, did McLeod do his job and change the momentum? No, but we certainly did it for him by not working with the same intensity we had been coming at them with to start the game.

Second goal was the same thing, Fiddler gets caught out of position on the backcheck and leaves Wolski enough room to bury a quick snap-shot behind Rinne from right in front. Can't fault Pekka on either goal tonight.

In an un-aired portion of Trotz's press conference (it was during the Jones interview), Barry calls out Fiddler as the man responsible for the two Avalanche goals. He didn't do it by name, but said it was the left wing's responsibilty on both plays. Now the question becomes, will he sit him? Pihlstrom has been playing like a man determined not to go back to Milwaukee, but is still not finishing. Peverley has been playing pretty well of late, but isn't getting results. Ward was finally sat out tonight, Smithson and Bonk are candidates too, but Fiddler was the person specifically called out. Again the question is, will he face any real consequence for his blunders tonight?

The moment that upset me most tonight without a doubt was when Tootoo of all people decides he's going to try to pull off a behind the back, no-look pass in the general vincinity of Pihlstrom on what essentially amounted to a 2 v 1 with a trailing defenseman. It was a carbon-copy of the Dumont to Jones connection for the first goal. Speed down the wing, shot from an angle, rebound opportunity kicks out to the front of the net, guy crashes the net to deposit the puck into an open net. Pihlstrom saw Tootoo get the partial breakaway, had kicked it into high-gear (otherwise known as full-sprint for the running man) and was busting it to the net front for the rebound attempt. Never in a million years did he or anyone else in the building expect Tootoo to pull off a boneheaded play like that and try to pass the puck. Why would he? Why would anyone? The puck MUST get to the net in that situation! On a night where we attempted 70 shots on goal, one can only question why we would literally pass up the simple, 100% guaranteed scoring opportunity to attempt a low-percentage pass from inside the hash-marks?

Good to see Jones get rewarded with a goal in his first game back for his accomplishments in Milwaukee. Still looked like he had some develop left to do (times where he was clearly thinking, not reading and reacting), but had made noticable improvement. In the second period in particular I noticed one play where he read the opposition breakout coming out of the zone, realized that he was in the best position to take the first forechecking role (usually the center) and jumped into the role and most importantly communicated with his teammates ("I got 1, I got 1" - refering to the F1 role in the system).

Hats off to the guys for attempting 70 shots on goal tonight, however when only 23 get through to the net...there is work left to be done. 23 attempts blocked, 24 attempts wide of the net. There are feet to be moved with and without the puck, there are battles to be won to get position in front of the net, there are quicker releases to be made on shots, etc. Give Colorado credit, they worked hard to clog up shooting lanes and get shot blocks - no question. However, we cannot look at that 70 attempts number (Colorado had 38 attempts) to justify that the end is near until we see results in the form of goals scored.

My last thought for the night is, if we got 70 shot attempts off tonight while demonstrating an inconsistent effort throughout the night...how many attempts could we have had if we had worked the same way we started the game for a full 60 minutes???

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In an un-aired portion of Trotz's press conference (it was during the Jones interview), Barry calls out Fiddler as the man responsible for the two Avalanche goals. He didn't do it by name, but said it was the left wing's responsibilty on both plays.
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The moment that upset me most tonight without a doubt was when Tootoo of all people decides he's going to try to pull off a behind the back, no-look pass in the general vincinity of Pihlstrom on what essentially amounted to a 2 v 1 with a trailing defenseman.
Trotz's quote:
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Our left winger did a poor job on the two goals, plain and simple. If we take care of the details, then they have two less chances to score and itís a 1-0 game.
I don't get why Tootoo made that pass either. Any other game, if he's near the puck he will take a slapshot from anywhere on the ice, but tonight he decides to pass.


Jones's goal is just what we've all been talking about. Someone take the puck to the net, the others crash the net for rebounds. And good for Ryan Jones for showing it is possible to score on the rebound.

12 shots in the first period (11 the first 10 minutes). 11 shots the rest of the game.
THAT WILL NOT GET IT DONE!!!!!

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Good post Slake. I think there is a happy medium between instinctual and intelligent hockey, but it is clear that last night, the proverbial light bulb went off with about 5 minutes left in the first period.

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Well we had a great start its not as if they are not playing hard. We are just snake bit right now nothing is bouncing our way. Oh and our PP still sucks monkey testicles. We had all the momentum until we went on the PP Some brutal non calls especially one where I forget who it was grabbed Erat and literally grabbed hooked and threw him down and no call... But the last penalty was stupid, Arnott should know better, not that we would have scored but we blew any chance there.

I know we aren't a great team but I don't think they are THIS bad. I have a feeling one of these games the dam will break and we will score 5 goals and get out of this funk, if its not too late

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Good post Slake. I think there is a happy medium between instinctual and intelligent hockey, but it is clear that last night, the proverbial light bulb went off with about 5 minutes left in the first period.
The happy medium is when good players become great. The players that play intelligently by instinct is what you are looking for. For some reason NONE of our players can do that right now and they have had to dumb down their game because of it. I personally would say that some of the troubles our higher talent guys are having is that we just don't have enough talent right now. Meaning in the ultimate team game you have to rely on your teammates to help you and right now there is no one that can. Hence, too much thinking and not enough instincts.

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So the brass threatened to make changes if we blew this game....I havent heard anything yet...

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nevermind, just found it..of all the horrible players on the ice guess who Trotz is sending a message too.....






...Tootoo. Not Erat, not Fiddler, not Peverly....but Jordin Tootoo.

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