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Soviet League MVP Voting Results (1968-1991)

I gathered all this info from here, a site HFBoards user Sturminator directed me to when I asked where his info came from.

Soviet League MVP
Year 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
1968 Anatoli Firsov (CSKA) 137 Vyacheslav Starshinov (Spartak) 84 Viktor Konovalenko (Torpedo Gorky) 49 Yevgeny Zimin (Spartak) 13 Aleksandr Ragulin (CSKA) 5
1969 Anatoli Firsov (CSKA) 68 Viktor Zinger (Spartak) 63 Vyacheslav Starshinov (Spartak) 56 Valeri Kharlamov (CSKA) 51 Boris Mikhailov (CSKA) 30
1970 Viktor Konovalenko (Gorky) 124 Aleksandr Maltsev (Dynamo) 104 Vyacheslav Starshinov (Spartak) 83 Vladimir Vikulov (CSKA) 48 Valeri Kharlamov (CSKA) 20
1971 Anatoli Firsov (CSKA) 134 Vladimir Vikulov (CSKA) 70 Aleksandr Maltsev (Dynamo) 70 Valeri Kharlamov (CSKA) 61 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 12
1972 Aleksandr Maltsev (Dynamo) 130 Valeri Kharlamov (CSKA) 130 Vladimir Vikulov (CSKA) 35 Aleksandr Yakushev (Spartak) 4 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 5
1973 Valeri Kharlamov (CSKA) 107 Vladimir Petrov (CSKA) 104 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 40 Boris Mikhailov (CSKA) 34 Valeri Vasiliev (Dynamo) 10
1974 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 113 Boris Mikhailov (CSKA) 67 Valeri Vasiliev (Dynamo) 39 Aleksandr Maltsev (Dynamo) 38 Valeri Kharlamov (CSKA) 26
1975 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 107 Valeri Kharlamov (CSKA) 81 Aleksandr Yakushev (Spartak) 58 Vladimir Petrov (CSKA) 49 Boris Mikhailov (CSKA) 44
1976 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 139 Valeri Kharlamov (CSKA) 107 Viktor Shalimov (Spartak) 38 Aleksandr Maltsev (Dynamo) 28 Aleksandr Yakushev (Spartak) 17
1977 Helmuts Balderis (Riga) 166 Vladimir Petrov (CSKA) 90 Boris Mikhailov (CSKA) and Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 73 Pervukhina Vassili (Dynamo) 14
1978 Boris Mikhailov (CSKA) 128 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 110 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 61 Aleksandr Maltsev (Dynamo) 33 Helmuts Balderis (CSKA) 29
1979 Boris Mikhailov (CSKA Moscow)
1980 Sergei Makarov (CSKA) 156 Vladimir Krutov (CSKA) 68 Boris Mikhailov (CSKA) 49 Aleksandr Maltsev (Dynamo) 38 Valeri Vasiliev (Dynamo) 27
1981 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 158 Aleksandr Maltsev (Dynamo) 121 Sergei Kapustin (Spartak) 53 Sergey Makarov (CSKA) 35 Vladimir Petrov (CSKA) 28
1982 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 116 Sergey Makarov (CSKA) 102 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 63 Viktor Shalimov (Spartak) 49 Aleksandr Kozhevnikov (Spartak) 34
1983 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 222 Vladimir Krutov (CSKA) 111 Sergei Makarov (CSKA) 50 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 44 Aleksei Kasatonov (CSKA) 29
1984 Drozdetsky Nikolai (CSKA) 132 Vladislav Tretiak (CSKA) 114 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 82 Sergey Makarov (CSKA) 78 Vladimir Kovin (Gorky) 34
1985 Sergei Makarov (CSKA) 230 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 122 Yuri Leonov (Dynamo) 26 Vladimir Myshkin (Dynamo) 25 Pervukhina Vassili (Dynamo) 22
1986 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 184 Sergey Makarov (CSKA) 169 Vladimir Krutov (CSKA) 126 Igor Larionov (CSKA) 35 Vyacheslav Bykov (CSKA) 14
1987 Vladimir Krutov (CSKA) 264 Evgueni Belosheďkin (CSKA) 80 Sergei Makarov (CSKA) 69 Igor Larionov (CSKA) 28 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 27
1988 Igor Larionov (CSKA) 142 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 129 Vladimir Krutov (CSKA) 94 Sergey Makarov (CSKA) 41 Arturs Irbe (Riga) 39
1989 Sergei Makarov (CSKA) 146 Vyacheslav Bykov (CSKA) 130 Vyacheslav Fetisov (CSKA) 110 Sergei Mylnikov (Chelyabinsk) 28 Vladimir Krutov (CSKA) 11
1990 Andrei Khomutov (CSKA) 155 Arturs Irbe (Riga) 140 Vyacheslav Bykov (CSKA) 78 Mikhail Tatarinov (Dynamo) 53 Valeri Kamensky (CSKA) 16
1991 Valeri Kamensky (CSKA) 166 Pavel Bure (CSKA) 53 Aleksandr Semak (Dynamo) 45 Andrei Trefilov (Dynamo) 40 Maryn Aleksei (Spartak) 26


- Note that in 1972 Maltsev had more first place votes than Kharlamov and won the award.
- The source had no info on 1979 voting results, just the winner


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We should add this to the stickied thread at the top to go with all the NHL award voting.

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Thanks for the information. Here's a summary, sorted by players with the most Soviet MVP placements:

Player First Second Third Fourth Fifth Total
Tretiak 5 2 3 2 97
Makarov 3 2 2 3 78
Fetisov 2 2 3 1 1 68
Mikhailov 2 1 2 1 2 58
Maltsev 1 2 1 4 57
Kharlamov 1 3 2 2 56
Krutov 1 2 2 1 45
Firsov 3 30
Petrov 2 1 1 27
Larionov 1 2 22
Starshinov 1 2 22
Vikulov 1 1 1 21
Bykov 1 1 1 20
Vasiliev 1 2 17
Konovalenko 1 1 17
Kamensky 1 1 15

In the "total" column I give ten points for finishing 1st and eight through five points for 2nd through 5th place. The weighting is arbitrary but I want to give more priority to the players that did well (rather than racking up a lot of 4th/5th place finishes).

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These results really beg the question of whether or not Kharlamov is being overrated by us and Tretiak underrated. The people who saw those players on a consistent basis seemed to feel Tretiak was the better player as far as voting goes. Makarov too. Could we be overrating him too much because of his Summit Series play?

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These results really beg the question of whether or not Kharlamov is being overrated by us and Tretiak underrated. The people who saw those players on a consistent basis seemed to feel Tretiak was the better player as far as voting goes. Makarov too. Could we be overrating him too much because of his Summit Series play?
Yes, more and more I wonder if Kharlamov was really "only" about as good as some of the other Soviet elites but was simply flashier. Perhaps the legend has outgrown the player.

That's an awesome find btw, Triffy.

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Thanks for the information. Here's a summary, sorted by players with the most Soviet MVP placements:

Player First Second Third Fourth Fifth Total
Tretiak 5 2 3 2 97
Makarov 3 2 2 3 78
Fetisov 2 2 3 1 1 68
Mikhailov 2 1 2 1 2 58
Maltsev 1 2 1 4 57
Kharlamov 1 3 2 2 56
Krutov 1 2 2 1 45
Firsov 3 30
Petrov 2 1 1 27
Larionov 1 2 22
Starshinov 1 2 22
Vikulov 1 1 1 21
Bykov 1 1 1 20
Vasiliev 1 2 17
Konovalenko 1 1 17
Kamensky 1 1 15

In the "total" column I give ten points for finishing 1st and eight through five points for 2nd through 5th place. The weighting is arbitrary but I want to give more priority to the players that did well (rather than racking up a lot of 4th/5th place finishes).
Hey, nice 10-8-7-6-5 point system. Where'd you get that anyway?

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These results really beg the question of whether or not Kharlamov is being overrated by us and Tretiak underrated. The people who saw those players on a consistent basis seemed to feel Tretiak was the better player as far as voting goes. Makarov too. Could we be overrating him too much because of his Summit Series play?
i think makarov is very underrated. he may have been the best winger of the '80s.
and fetisov may have been the best D of the '80s.

OTOH, look at the voting in the '80s. it's completely dominated by CSKA. CSKA won the soviet championship from '78-'89.

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I thought Kharlamov had two MVPs; that's what at least one source says. Maybe the confusion is that he, sort of, tied with Maltsev in '72. Some sources also say that he was named the best forward in the 1976 World Championships, but I think he actually wasn't (it was Martinec!).

Yeah, kinda makes me wonder ("oooh, really makes me wonder" )...Kharlamov didn't win many - if any! - individual awards & scoring titles, not in the Soviet league & ditto for WCh. But is it his popularity, obvious skills, charisma and flashiness that still outweigh all of that?

I think it can be argued that, say, Fetisov, Firsov and Makarov were at least as good as Kharlamov. It may seem that it would be like rewriting the history, but hey, so what!

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These results really beg the question of whether or not Kharlamov is being overrated by us and Tretiak underrated. The people who saw those players on a consistent basis seemed to feel Tretiak was the better player as far as voting goes. Makarov too. Could we be overrating him too much because of his Summit Series play?
Of course Kharlamov has been always overrated. A short carrer, a tragic story... But then, he has been injuried quite often.

The really underrated players in NA are Maltsev and Mikhaiilov. I think the last would win the best rus player poll in Russia if such one were held. And he did win the best WHC player conducted by te IIHF

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The really underrated players in NA are Maltsev and Mikhaiilov. I think the last would win the best rus player poll in Russia if such one were held. And he did win the best WHC player conducted by te IIHF
Interesting. Is Mikhailov really that highly regarded in there? I've thought he has been overrated on hfboards in relation to Makarov who I think was the superior player. But that's just based on reading.

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i think makarov is very underrated. he may have been the best winger of the '80s.
and fetisov may have been the best D of the '80s.
I also think it's arguable. But those are bold statements. It'd be hard to present a case for Fetisov against Bourque. I have Makarov close to Bossy.

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I don't think Kharlamov is overated.
The first issue is that he has never been the same player after his first car accident in later spring of 1976.
The second issue is that Makarov and Maltsev are really underrated.

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But is it his popularity, obvious skills, charisma and flashiness that still outweigh all of that?
I think this is the case. Almost any Russian who is old enough to see his play considers him as the best Russian player ever.

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I think this is the case. Almost any Russian who is old enough to see his play considers him as the best Russian player ever.
Welcome back Reks. been a long time. I hope you are going to participate in the HOH top 100 this year.

Kharlamov was always the guy on the ice controlling the flow of the game. He got his team into the most quality chances, was always controlling the tempo of the game when he was 100%, and he was just a game breaker. As My quote below explains, it was not possible for the Russian Players of his time to put up gaudy personal numbers.

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I thought Kharlamov had two MVPs; that's what at least one source says. Maybe the confusion is that he, sort of, tied with Maltsev in '72. Some sources also say that he was named the best forward in the 1976 World Championships, but I think he actually wasn't (it was Martinec!).

Yeah, kinda makes me wonder ("oooh, really makes me wonder" )...Kharlamov didn't win many - if any! - individual awards & scoring titles, not in the Soviet league & ditto for WCh. But is it his popularity, obvious skills, charisma and flashiness that still outweigh all of that?

I think it can be argued that, say, Fetisov, Firsov and Makarov were at least as good as Kharlamov. It may seem that it would be like rewriting the history, but hey, so what!
He does Have 2 MVP's, not 1.

Ill just post a quote of mine from earlier.

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Their league at the time played a style which was unselfish in terms of individual scoring, passing their way into the zone and finding holes while playing a defensively sound game. It was hard for players to stand out in scoring the system they were playing, much like it is today hard to outscore the competition by a large amount or have consecutive #1 years.

After the Summit series, and super series towards the early 80's, the Russian began to seriously incorporate the higher scoring Defensemen jumping into the play methods of NHL hockey and created a blend that was fierce to play against. Makarov's numbers compared to Kharlamov's in the RSL look like he blows Kharlamov away, but you had to be there to understand the change and why he was scoring so much. It was similar to how the NHL jumped in scoring when Orr Revolutionized the game.

Tikhonov also pillaged most of the top talent from the Olympic team into the Red Army full time so they could play together and know each other inherently year round, so come Olympics time, they were never unfamiliar with any of the other players.

The 70's Red Army team was like an NHL Dynasty in the RSL. The 80's Red army team was, well, just stacked with all the best players and other teams had little chance against them.

It led to the ability to put up gaudy personal numbers in a way that was not possible in Kharlamov's heyday. Kharlamov's heyday was also a bit shorter since he was seriously hampered by a car accident which left him a lesser player than he was after 76(But still great).

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Welcome back Reks. been a long time. I hope you are going to participate in the HOH top 100 this year.
Thanks. I will try.

Another thought on Kharlamov. He was unbelievably good in 1976. He was the best CSKA (Red Army) player in Super Series 1975-76: 4 goals, 3 assists in 4 games despite Van Impe hit. He scored the game winning goal in the final game against Czechoslovakia at the 1976 Winter Olympics (kind of Henderson's goal for Soviets).
Two months later he was the best forward at WC76 (some sources indicate that it was Martinec but I trust childovski.com).
And then that car accident happened ...

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Kharlamov didn't win many - if any! - individual awards & scoring titles, not in the Soviet league & ditto for WCh. But is it his popularity, obvious skills, charisma and flashiness that still outweigh all of that?
Gilbert Perrault Syndrome?



Results like these are going to change the way I see some Russian players. For example, whenever boosting Hasek I am sure to mention that he was a Czech league MVP twice too.. well, Tretiak was a Russian league MVP... 6 times! Kharlamov's record is quite disappointing here. I knew Maltsev was underrated, still, I'm not sure if I can find room for him in my list.

Are there other Russian league awards that were voted on? Like top defenseman or something?

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He does Have 2 MVP's, not 1.
Look at the table I posted. If the results are correct, Kharlamov won once and once had the same amount of points as Maltsev, but Maltsev had more 1st place votes, dropping Kharlamov 2nd. So I guess you can call it a tie, but anyway it shouldn't affect anyone's rankings.

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Are there other Russian league awards that were voted on? Like top defenseman or something?
There are also all-star teams for a bit longer period of time. I guess I could post them here.

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These voting results kinda confirm my impressions of watching Sergei Makarov. His play has always impressed me even more than that of Valery Kharlamov. That being said, I value statements and quotes by Players, Coaches, Media, Fans, etc a bit more than award voting and that is where Kharlamov really shines out (and it's not like he didn't wow me either).

I think it's quite fair to say that Makarov has a strong case to make as the best Winger of the 1980's. I already think he's the best Soviet Player of that decade, even ahead of Vyacheslav Fetisov. I always thought of him like a Bossy who may not have had as great of a shot but who handled the puck more.

I made a case for Jari Kurri to start getting the recognition that has somewhat faded away (he really was considered only a shade behind Bossy as the best (NHL) Winger of the decade as the Press about him in his last two years in Edmonton testify to) That being said, Mike Bossy himself put up great numbers in international tournaments himself and while he retired early, Makarov (and Kurri) saw their play tail off around the same time so I don't think any of them has any real edge in longevity.

Vladimir Krutov would certainly be up there with the great Wingers of that decade as well, in fact I can only put Bossy, Makarov, and Kurri clearly above him.

As for Fetisov, you can go look up any articles throughout the 1980's and see that many in the NHL considered him a top threat for the Norris; against Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey no less. One interesting quote by Harry Sinden even exteneded the list further: ""There were three defensemen on the two Soviet teams who would win the Norris Trophy in our league - Fetisov and Kasatonov of the Central Army team and Bilyaletdinov of the Dynamo," says Sinden" (Boston Globe - January 12, 1986). Sinden reaffirmed that Fetisov and Alexi Kasatanov "would...or at least they would have in recent years" challenge for the Norris Trophy a couple of years later (Boston Globe - February 21, 1988).

I've always thought that the only two Defenseman at their very best who could outplay Fetisov at his best were Bobby Orr and Coffey (post-Expansion). Obviously Bourque has the longevity that Fetisov doesn't though with the latters knee problems before coming to the NHL that persisted and what not.

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If Stastny was so great, then why were Hlinka, Martinec, and Novy winning all the Golden Hockey Stick awards over him?

(This isn't meant to be a slight at Stastny, but I'm just trying to point out the faulty logic)
Old quote, but it fits because it was over the same discussion.

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Gilbert Perrault Syndrome?



Results like these are going to change the way I see some Russian players. For example, whenever boosting Hasek I am sure to mention that he was a Czech league MVP twice too.. well, Tretiak was a Russian league MVP... 6 times! Kharlamov's record is quite disappointing here. I knew Maltsev was underrated, still, I'm not sure if I can find room for him in my list.

Are there other Russian league awards that were voted on? Like top defenseman or something?
hasek won the czech MVP 3 times. '87, '89, '90.

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Their league at the time played a style which was unselfish in terms of individual scoring, passing their way into the zone and finding holes while playing a defensively sound game. It was hard for players to stand out in scoring the system they were playing, much like it is today hard to outscore the competition by a large amount or have consecutive #1 years.

After the Summit series, and super series towards the early 80's, the Russian began to seriously incorporate the higher scoring Defensemen jumping into the play methods of NHL hockey and created a blend that was fierce to play against. Makarov's numbers compared to Kharlamov's in the RSL look like he blows Kharlamov away, but you had to be there to understand the change and why he was scoring so much. It was similar to how the NHL jumped in scoring when Orr Revolutionized the game.

Tikhonov also pillaged most of the top talent from the Olympic team into the Red Army full time so they could play together and know each other inherently year round, so come Olympics time, they were never unfamiliar with any of the other players.

The 70's Red Army team was like an NHL Dynasty in the RSL. The 80's Red army team was, well, just stacked with all the best players and other teams had little chance against them.

It led to the ability to put up gaudy personal numbers in a way that was not possible in Kharlamov's heyday. Kharlamov's heyday was also a bit shorter since he was seriously hampered by a car accident which left him a lesser player than he was after 76(But still great).
Shouldn't all of this apply to guys like, say, Firsov, Maltsev and Mikhailov who have all those scoring titles and MVP's/Best Forward awards (in the Soviet L. and/or WCh) over Kharlamov??? It doesn't hold water IMO. Maybe in Makarov's case, but...

Having said that, I wouldn't take Mikhailov or Maltsev over Kharlamov. Kharlamov had definitely more skills than Mikhailov, and their numbers, well, are reasonably close. As far as Maltsev goes, he was in many ways just as skillful as Kharlamov, but there's something about him that fails to impress me, when I'm watching the old games... lack of toughness, maybe? Anyway, he was never truly impressive vs. Canada's best.

I'd still argue that Firsov, Fetisov and Makarov at least "have a case" vs. Kharlamov!


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Thanks. I will try.

Another thought on Kharlamov. He was unbelievably good in 1976. He was the best CSKA (Red Army) player in Super Series 1975-76: 4 goals, 3 assists in 4 games despite Van Impe hit. He scored the game winning goal in the final game against Czechoslovakia at the 1976 Winter Olympics (kind of Henderson's goal for Soviets).
Two months later he was the best forward at WC76 (some sources indicate that it was Martinec but I trust childovski.com). [/B]
And then that car accident happened ...
But he wasn't so great vs. Montreal and Philadelphia (=easily the 2 best teams CSKA played against in the 1st Super Series).

MOST SOURCES say it was Martinec! He had 20 points to Kharlamov's 14 and he was the best player on the best team of the tournament (i.e. Czechoslovakia).

Here are couple of sources I found:

http://www.azhockey.com/PA/PAwcF.html
http://www.swehockey.se/files/%7B6F6...0B39A75%7D.pdf

But I don't know. I've been trying to find the answer to this mystery for some time now. Well, I guess it doesn't really matter that much.


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Gilbert Perrault Syndrome?



Results like these are going to change the way I see some Russian players. For example, whenever boosting Hasek I am sure to mention that he was a Czech league MVP twice too.. well, Tretiak was a Russian league MVP... 6 times! Kharlamov's record is quite disappointing here. I knew Maltsev was underrated, still, I'm not sure if I can find room for him in my list.

Are there other Russian league awards that were voted on? Like top defenseman or something?
I don't understand/see the connection??? Kharlamov is quite universally hailed the greatest Soviet player of all-time, but not many make a case for Perreault of even being a Top 3 Canadian forward of his time, even though I personally think he is clearly better than Marcel Dionne, for instance. IMO Perreault might be the most underrated Canadian forward of all-time and Kharlamov, well, is anything but underrated.

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But he wasn't so great vs. Montreal and Philadelphia (=easily the 2 best teams CSKA played against in the 1st Super Series).
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Kharlamov looked very good against Montreal. His goal late in the 2nd made it a one goal game, slicing through Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe so quickly that they did not react in time. By the end of the 2nd period, Montreal was outshooting the Red army by a large amount. The red Army had only managed 7 shots by this point. However, 3 of them were Kharlamov's and 4 of them Mikhailov's. All the offense was coming from that line.

Tretiak was the player of the game that game though.



Against the Flyers, nobody on the red army team really asserted themselves. The Red Army's passing into the zone game was absolutely manhandled by the Flyers trapping, particularly on the smaller NHL ice surface. To make matters worse, they were physically manhandled, and not in a clean way. I completely understand why the Coach made them walk off the ice. Within 30 seconds. Kharlamov had taken a cold cocked punch to the face from Bill Barber along the boards, no call, and then a charging elbow to the head from Van Impe, no call. In fact, they gave the Red Army a delay of game penalty for protesting the elbow to Kharlamov, which is what led to them walking off the ice.



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I don't understand/see the connection??? Kharlamov is quite universally hailed the greatest Soviet player of all-time, but not many make a case for Perreault of even being a Top 3 Canadian forward of his time, even though I personally think he is clearly better than Marcel Dionne, for instance. IMO Perreault might be the most underrated Canadian forward of all-time and Kharlamov, well, is anything but underrated.
You said: Kharlamov didn't win many - if any! - individual awards & scoring titles, not in the Soviet league & ditto for WCh. But is it his popularity, obvious skills, charisma and flashiness that still outweigh all of that?


And I compared him to Gilbert Perreault. Because his spot on all-time lists seems to be quite inflated when compared to his awards, all-star teams, top-10 finishes, etc. But he's got the flash and dash, he was popular, highly skilled, and charismatic.

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