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01-10-2009, 10:50 AM
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Consistency

So many Habs players will have the odd good night but it doesnt seem that players are consistent. Am I imagining things?

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01-10-2009, 10:56 AM
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Yes.

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So many Habs players will have the odd good night but it doesnt seem that players are consistent. Am I imagining things?
This is what happen when your team is young.

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01-10-2009, 11:52 AM
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A big problem this board has is everything the team does is based on their own individual skill. No-one gives credit to the opposing team for shutting us down in a game or shadowing our stars. It's always our own players that just suck or are not playing up to par.

Some guys are putting consistent efforts, it just doesn't look like it when the other team scores when they are on the ice, or they get locked up.

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01-10-2009, 12:03 PM
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I think that there are guys on the team that have skillsets that aren't the type that you see every shift. How many games have you seen Kovalev or the brothers do piss all then change everything with a big play ?

There are guys that give consistent effort, but don't get consistent results.

Carbo has often said that the biggest hurdle for young players is consistency and they're a young team so....

Lastly, we watch our own games with a more critical eye, the competitive balance is so fine that most teams complain of consistency, but like LR just said, the other team has something to do with it.

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01-10-2009, 12:44 PM
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This is what happen when your team is young.
True, but three of the top six fowards - Lang, Tanguay, and Kovalev aren't young, are they?

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None of the Habs players have come to be dominant players on a consistent basis.

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None of the Habs players have come to be dominant players on a consistent basis.
T. none of them are dominant players, save Kovalev at times, but you can't expect him to be different after 15 years in the league.

I think Komo and Markov are as close as they have to dominant when they have a particularly strong game. I guess you could say that when everything's going well, their game can be dominat, you know, when the cute plays work, when the outside speed of the wingers matches the C getting them the puck, but individually, I don't see a dominant player.

That's why Gainey has been trolling after one.

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01-10-2009, 01:13 PM
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None of the Habs players have come to be dominant players on a consistent basis.
We don't play the sort of game to rely on two-three dominant players and hope the rest sticks together. That's why we don't have a Lecavalier playing 35 minutes a game. We balance our lines out. That's been the Canadiens style for... a very long time. We even did it in the 70s. A lot of historians have said that on a different team, Guy Lafleur would have scored even more points, but Bowman balanced the lines out.

We play a team game, which ensures if consistency is lost on someone, there is always another player to pick up the pace. That's why we're not at the bottom of the standings for losing Koivu, Higgins and Tanguay.

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You know, the consistency thing is a bit of a red herring. The fact is, the Habs have far too many offensive players. Each has their own expectations in a vacuum and the truth is, there is some element of mutual exclusivity. If one guy is on the top PP and scoring, someone else isn't.

The fact is, Montreal will only score so many times each game and while a few guys could pull up their socks, based on fan expectations we expect the following:

Kovalev - 35 goals
Lang - 25 goals
Tanguay - 30 goals
A. Kostitsyn - 30 goals
Koivu - 20 goals
Plekanec - 25 goals
Latendresse - 20 goals
S. Kostitsyn - 20 goals
Higgins - 30 goals

etc.

When's the last time a single team had that many forwards score that many goals? Fact is, only 6 to 8 of them can get significant PP time, which is where a lot of goals come these days.

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we've been consistently winning throughout the year.
26-10-4 is hardly an inconsistent record.

We're as consistent, if not more, than we were last year. So...

The word ''consistent'' gets thrown around way too much over here. Most importantly, people correlate that word with production and that's a mistake.
Consistency should be judge by the effort, and I think our players have been pretty good with that. There's off games like for every player in every team in every sport, but all in all, they've been pretty consistent.

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The strength of our team is not that we have one or two consistently dominant players, but that we have many players who can make a difference offensively on any given night. What this means is that while someone like Kovalev won't win the game on his own too often, we have other players that can such as A. Kost (3 pts vs. Leafs), Lang (3 goals vs. Rangers), Koivu, Tanguay, etc. Heck, we even have guys like Higgins and Lapierre who have come up with hat tricks this year.

The idea behind offensive depth is not that all 8-10 of our offensive players will score bunches every night, but that hopefully at least 2-3 of them will show up on the scoreboard each game. Meanwhile, many weaker teams in this league only have 2-3 guys on the roster they can depend on to score, so if those guys have off nights, there is no one to pick up the slack.

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