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01-10-2009, 03:23 PM
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mmhmm I believe this is the same Pierre Mcguire who said the kings were about to trade for Malkin over the summer, this guys a joke.

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01-10-2009, 03:25 PM
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lol No offense, I understand where your coming from but that seems unrealistically over priced. Even if Kovalchuk were the player at hand and not JJ. Its just not something we'd be willing to part with. The last thing we would do is trade half our top prospects and a 1st for 1 player its just plain stupid.
yeahh maybe.. but like is said, i'm not sure.
But when Johnson signed the new deal you have to send a Package like that to get him.
He is part of our Future Plans and Lombardi will not part with him.
Except for a huge Overpayment.
That is the Basic Problems right now, if you want to trade with the Kings.
On the other Hand... the older more useless player could be available for almost nothing.
But i doubt you guys wanna Trade for Calder, Armstrong Handzus etc...

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Johnson for McDonough ?
Way to less..........
Johnson is a proven top 2 Defender.
For me, i stay away from that proven for maybe poteantial trades.


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01-10-2009, 03:28 PM
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Way to less..........
Johnson is a proven top 2 Defender.
For me, i stay away from that proven for maybe poteantial trades.
are you high? "potential" top 2 defender... maybe even "likely" top 2 defender. but proven? try again.

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01-10-2009, 03:28 PM
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He would on another Team.
Try to watch the Player you write about.
huh? well let me know when 1 good prospect can fetch 4 good ones in return.

and I know about JJ, I even have him in my keeper league.

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are you high? "potential" top 2 defender... maybe even "likely" top 2 defender. but proven? try again.
didn't you see his -19 rating last yr? He's a norris trophy winner, just not on the Kings... apparently.


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01-10-2009, 03:29 PM
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Way to less..........
Johnson is a proven top 2 Defender.
For me, i stay away from that proven for maybe poteantial trades.
Johnson is a potential top 2 defender !

On the habs current depth chart he would be our 5th maybe 6th defenseman !

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01-10-2009, 03:40 PM
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When/If you have the chance to acquire a guy like Johnson, who cares how many D prospects you already have.....You'll then be able to trade some of them to get additional need elsewhere.

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01-10-2009, 03:40 PM
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Yeah LA is looking to build up there defense, they just got Doughty who I've watched a couple of times and is amazing. I couldn't see them wanted to trade JJ who will be one of the best Def in the league in a few years. Although I can't say I've seen him play much but its no secret anywhere that he has top potential. Higgins for JJ would not get it done, not even clsoe in my opinion.

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01-10-2009, 03:43 PM
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didn't you see his -19 rating last yr? He's a norris trophy winner, just not on the Kings... apparently.
i think his upside is that he's certainly capable of earning a Norris consideration one day... one day.

Scott Niedermayer was most definitely NOT Scott Niedermayer in his first couple of years.

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Johnson is a potential top 2 defender !

On the habs current depth chart he would be our 5th maybe 6th defenseman !
i don't know if i'd go that far down. i believe he'd be an honestly firm 3/4 guy on any team right now. his skating and vision are incredible. the problem lays in structure and it was tough for both he and the organization to go through this injury situation at such an important time in his career both on and off the ice.

he projects (in my opinion) as a #2 and despite his injury, remains atop the class of young Kings defenseman who can top out at a 2 depending on the rest of the entire defensive scheme.

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01-10-2009, 03:49 PM
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Jack Johnson would be a big improvment over what we got right now, + he was also a huge Habs fan growing up. We would finally have a potential #1 defensmen to build upon our ton of #2/#3 defensmens coming in a couple of years
So Markov is not a #1? Who says McDo can't become one? For what it would likely cost us, probably not worth it.

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Try to watch the Player you write about.
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I would say...
Ryan McDonagh + Alexei Kostytsin + Max Pacioretty + 1st....
Sorry but I forgot to point out the poignant irony earlier.

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01-10-2009, 03:51 PM
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ok, let's assume Lombardi try to deal him.
Right now, where he is not sogned....
i don't know... his value would not be to high...
to bad we fixed the Goali issue...
i would say.. Alexei Kostytsin+1st....

but for the case we wait a couple of weeks, Johnson is back from injurie and signed his new contract.... ( what would be stupid to give a young guy a contract and deal him)........

I would say...
Ryan McDonagh + Alexei Kostytsin + Max Pacioretty + 1st....
Is this a joke? all that for Johnson? sure......keep dreaming.
Also how is he a proven defender? He has all of 81 games in his career? He has the potential to be a top 2 but only the potential.


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I don't how we could be in a position to trade for pretty much any young studly-projected player. Johnson wouldn't make an impact on our team this season, in all likelihood. So I don't see how we'd be in the position to make the best offer LA would get. We can't give up elements of the present to build for the future. And on top of that, I just don't think the Habs should be trading away somebody like Higgins. We don't know yet just how many of our key UFAs we're going to lose, and even if we're optimistic on that score and have a number of young guys ready/nearly ready, we shouldn't be moving the guys we do have a hold on like Higgins. I wouldn't trade Higgins for Johnson.

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01-10-2009, 04:02 PM
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01-10-2009, 04:07 PM
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Is this a joke? all that for Johnson? sure......keep dreaming.
Also how is he a proven defender? He has all of 81 games in his career? He has the potential to be a top 2 but only the potential.
Ah Kurrilino...I love his enthusiasm but 99% of what he says I can't understand and the other 1% kind of hurts my head.

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01-10-2009, 04:13 PM
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on the trade block again?

Is there something about this guy that the canes and kings know that we dont?

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01-10-2009, 04:21 PM
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According to Pierre McGuire on the Team 990; "The L.A. Kings have made no secret that they are trying to deal Jack Johnson."

Does a Jack Johnson for Chris Higgins deal make sense? Both are RFA's at the end of the year and given Johnson's current injury status, I think he could be re-upped for under 2 million next year. He also will not be a UFA for 5 years (2013-14 season).

Given that the habs could lose Komisarek, Bouillon and Brisebois all at years end. A trade like this could stabilize our D for next year.
I'd give Higgins +++ for Jack Johnson

love JJ that's a player i would love to have in Montreal

common gainey make me happy

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01-10-2009, 04:21 PM
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Pay no attention to Kurrilino's trade proposals. I think he is getting a little too revved up over the rumor. In the end, Jack Johnson is not getting traded unless a top 10 forward is coming the other way. Sure anybody is trade-able, but Dean Lombardi has been praising him quite extensively since we acquired him. Just the other day, Dean in an interview stated that when he watched Jack + Drew earlier this season he locked onto the idea that there was his Neidermeyer + Pronger. Jack and Drew are slated to be the top 1 and 2 defensemen on this team for years to come. It would take an overpayment package to get any one of those two from us. Dean has stated time and again that you build a team from the back out, if you aren't good on defense then you aren't good. These are things he said and believes, he would be going against every interview he has done for the past two years by trading him unless it is for some talent that convincingly makes us better for now and the distant future.

Interviews are Part 1-3 here and the audio of the whole interview is there as well: http://frozenroyalty.net/2009/01/08/...ive-interview/

These would be boring for Habs fans because it is all about DL on the Kings and the rebuild, I will listen around for his talks on Drew + Jack, this was only done a couple days ago...

Found it. It is 4 minutes+ into Part 1. He talks about Jack Johnson.

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01-10-2009, 04:29 PM
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I came over here expecting a bunch of panty twisting and a whole bunch of arguing. Aside from our foreign friend, everybody seems to have their composure.

I think trading JJ now while his stock is low would be the worst thing for LA and the best thing for any team in the NHL. This guy is so much better then people give him credit for. He was voted LA's best defenseman, and Crawford and Lombardi have been quoted numerous times stating that they were holding his offense back. He should be back very soon. Hopefully he can own up to his potential. But in all honest...he can take his time getting his legs back (would be great to sign him for less )

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01-10-2009, 05:00 PM
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Come on guys, don't be so harsh to Kurrilino.... he made it clear that to get Johnson it would take an OVERPAYMENT to get him because he is in the Kings long term plans.... based on that premise, I agree that to pry a core player away, it would take more than you are usually going to get on the open market.... not saying I agree with the players, but he did say it would obviously be an overpayment....

No need to ask him if he's high or dreaming Just my 2 cents....

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Come on guys, don't be so harsh to Kurrilino.... he made it clear that to get Johnson it would take an OVERPAYMENT to get him because he is in the Kings long term plans.... based on that premise, I agree that to pry a core player away, it would take more than you are usually going to get on the open market.... not saying I agree with the players, but he did say it would obviously be an overpayment....

No need to ask him if he's high or dreaming Just my 2 cents....

have you seen any of his other trade proposals?

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JMFJ for higgins.....

were not about to take a step backwards.... i swear if its not the penguin fans comming up with ******** its these guys

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s kostitsyn for Johnson...

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Well for one; we have a TON of young and upcoming players on D, although Jack Johnson is a excellent young dman!

However, I would not trade Higgins for Johnson; he's had a tough year, but a 25 year old 27 goal scorer who is making less than $2 million and year and a RFA is someone I want to keep.

All this Higgins trade talk is beyond me.... you can throw Higgins into any situation; when he was drafted he was projected to be a 3rd line solid two way player and I think he can be that and more!

He just needs to heal, relax and enjoy playing again.

I would trade Lats and O'Bryne for Johnson!
I sure as hell wouldn't!!!

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