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01-11-2009, 11:14 AM
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Like I said, I'd take Kovalchuk hands down, but I feel people are hard on Spezza over here..

It's not going too well in OTT since half way through last year but in no way is he as bad as people are saying.
Sure, he might be doing a lot of mistakes presently, and ya he might not look too good outside of his offensive game, but in no way does this mean he doesn't have the potential to become better.

I think Spezza in a better team can be a monster, he can reach 100+pts if healthy a full season. He did get 90pts/68GP, 87pts/67GP and 92pts/76GP...so, I can't understand anybody that says he sucks.

Spezza is under performing this year, but so is Alfie and Heatley. All three are averaging less than a pt/Game

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01-11-2009, 12:07 PM
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Kevin Bieksa maybe. Both are great D, but Bieksa brings more then Komisarek in alot of area, but Komisarek is great for the team too, more reliable defenively then Bieksa. Either one I'd be happy with.

Beside that, on draft day my guy was Mikko Koivu, but was picked just before our pick which pissed me off at the time. Not sure if it was U18 or U20 but he really impressed me during his draft year.

Beside that, I've always been a big Hemsky fan, not sure if he brings more then Komi, but maybe i would take him over Komi cause he's one of my favorite player. Derek Roy great player too.

And obviously Kovlachuk and Spezza, who is to me the most underated player in the league. Everybody says he sucks, turns the puck over like crazy and all, but it's blown out of proportion quite a bit to me. The guy has got some sick skills.
sick skills, the guy's gotta toe drag that every d man as figured out by now i hope, great passer but how many great passers in this league would get spezzas 90 points alongside alfredson which we are seeing decline slightly with injuries ,and heatley the best sniper in the league . I can name about ten easy, and will give u better all around game. Hes not even top 4 in team canadas depth chart so where his in the nhl top15??????????

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01-11-2009, 12:48 PM
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Bieksa? Come on. Vancouver was just about the same when he went down whereas this team really suffers when Komisarek is hurt.

People need to watch Spezza live to see just how bad he really is. Yes he's great in the offensive zone, but that's it. Just terrible decisions elsewhere.

Komisarek's worth cannot be measured statistically other than in block shots and hits. He's much more to us than that though.
As much as Bieska is light years ahead of Komo offensively, Komo is probably double ahead defensively. Bieska is Ed Jovanovski junior who is physical but blundering idiot defensively. Terrible positioning and bad turnovers plus stupid penalties.

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01-11-2009, 01:17 PM
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Which players would you take before Komi in that list?

Here are some names:

Kovalchuk
Spezza
M.Koivu
T.Ruutu
Hamhuis
Hemsky
D.Roy
F.Tyutin
M.Cammalleri
J.Pomminville
Plekanec
P.Sharp
Ehrhoff
Wellwood
K.Bieksa
M.Zidlicky
J.Jokinen
Huet
Svatos

a player by the name of Alexander Semin says hi. You forgot him on your list and I would take before komisarek. Of course kovalchuk is no brainer

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01-11-2009, 01:20 PM
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People have to watch Spezza more, this guy isnt worth a penny..

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People have to watch Spezza more, this guy isnt worth a penny..
Sorry...Spezza is an ELITE talent, just because Ottawa is in the crapper, doesn't mean he sucks...

He has become Ottawa's whipping boy, but is it his fault they splurged to have 3 elite players and therefore no cap left for QUALITY depth or even second line guys (remind you of a team?...tampa perhaps??)

Do not knock Spezza, he is on pace for 70 points this year and the previous 3 years averaged 90 points...

Even if you do not like him...if you had him on your team you would get MUCH MUCH more in return for a trade than you would in Komisarek.

And sure, right now he is soft, turns it over in his defensive zone, is a defensive reliability....but know who else was until he had the right coach? Marc Savard... if anyone was to say Marc Savard would be on the ice with your team leading by a goal and less than 2 minutes to play... you would think they were smoking crack... now, its no question.

Sometimes players need a right coach...regardless the talent he has, the potential he has, and the value in return he could fetch in a trade is undeniable

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01-11-2009, 01:57 PM
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Those three being out has nothing to do with what I said. The only new player contributing with Koivu, Tanguay and Higgins out is Pacioretty and that is expected with his first few games. Are you going to deny Komisarek is a huge part of this team? You think it's just a coincedence that when Markov is out too this team suffers? There is a different dimension to this team with Komi in. He was hurt last playoffs and you could tell the Habs were being dominated physically.

Spezza is not average in the defensive zone, he's bad. To be an elite player in the league you need to at least pick up your game in all zones and that's what stops him. Heatley and Alfredsson got the memo and they are more vital to the Sens' success.

I just don't really like Bieksa. It took him a long time to establish himself and even then he's only had one good year.
Hum I dont think I've denied that Komi was important to this team. Some teams are just in better shape to replace certain player. Vancouver has got some really good depth on defense so they were able to replace Bieksa better then they would have replaced Daniel Sedin. Just like Montreal is in better shape to replace any of Koivu, Tanguay and Koivu more then they could replace Komisarek. Hell the bruins are the best team in the East and Bergeron is out. Is he not so important to their team?

As for team canada and Jason Spezza, quite irrevelant. They couldve made 2 teams and wouldve been the ebst team on paper still they didnt make it to the gold medal game so i guess there was some decision that werent the best. Not saying they shouldve made Spezza 1st line center Captain and PK specialist. Same thing can be said about team canada, do you take Della Rovere or Taylor Hall? I take Taylor Hall any day ove rDella Dovere, sitll they went with Della Rovere and it wasnt a bad pick cause they had enough Hall on their team and not enough Della Rovere.

To me it took quite a bit of time for Komi to become the D he's now. If you dont like Bieksa for this season why do you keep praising Komi? I dont care how much time they take to reach their potential, it doesnt make them worse player for this reason.

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Those 3 are forwards, the Habs need D. Right now none of those forwards are as valuable to the habs as Komisarek since the Habs O' is already really good while the Habs NHL ready D depth is still spotty.

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To be honest only kovalchuk and the younger koivu and speaking of mikko koivu, this week ive heard (somewhere) at the 2001 draft timmins (who was with ottawa at the time) at mikko koivu ranked as the 2nd best prospects in the draft after kovalchuk but was out ruled by marshall johnson at the draft table because speeza was an ontario kid!!!

7 years later i would take mikko koivu on my team before speeza any days of the week and twice on sunday lol
hmm... sounds familiar...

looks like... we should listen to Timmins eh? i mean if it wasn't that clear already

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Bieksa? Come on. Vancouver was just about the same when he went down whereas this team really suffers when Komisarek is hurt.
Ya but that's not a great argument, Vancouver has much better depth at D than we do. Obviously losing one of our top 2 is going to hurt us alot more than it would them.

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Savard thought Kovalchuk was the real deal and made a bid to Atlanta to get the pick.

I'm still happy that we got Komisarek though.
He also tried to trade up with the second pick to get Hemsky.

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No matter what the players ahead of Komidarek were taken so players like Spezza and Kovalchuk aren't even an option. I think I would still stay with Komy, but at the 2nd first rounder instead of Perezhogin i would go with Roy, Pominville, Sharp or Bieksa.

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Like I said, I'd take Kovalchuk hands down, but I feel people are hard on Spezza over here..

It's not going too well in OTT since half way through last year but in no way is he as bad as people are saying.
Sure, he might be doing a lot of mistakes presently, and ya he might not look too good outside of his offensive game, but in no way does this mean he doesn't have the potential to become better.

I think Spezza in a better team can be a monster, he can reach 100+pts if healthy a full season. He did get 90pts/68GP, 87pts/67GP and 92pts/76GP...so, I can't understand anybody that says he sucks.

Spezza is under performing this year, but so is Alfie and Heatley. All three are averaging less than a pt/Game
Amen . I can't understand either .

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Its interesting with Spezza that with Ottawa struggling you are mainly hearing about him and not the underachieving of well, their entire team. Is he being singled out? Is there other reasons why he is being singled out? Maybe Ottawa or people in the area may have more info.

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Its interesting with Spezza that with Ottawa struggling you are mainly hearing about him and not the underachieving of well, their entire team. Is he being singled out? Is there other reasons why he is being singled out? Maybe Ottawa or people in the area may have more info.
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Hum I dont think I've denied that Komi was important to this team. Some teams are just in better shape to replace certain player. Vancouver has got some really good depth on defense so they were able to replace Bieksa better then they would have replaced Daniel Sedin. Just like Montreal is in better shape to replace any of Koivu, Tanguay and Koivu more then they could replace Komisarek. Hell the bruins are the best team in the East and Bergeron is out. Is he not so important to their team?

As for team canada and Jason Spezza, quite irrevelant. They couldve made 2 teams and wouldve been the ebst team on paper still they didnt make it to the gold medal game so i guess there was some decision that werent the best. Not saying they shouldve made Spezza 1st line center Captain and PK specialist. Same thing can be said about team canada, do you take Della Rovere or Taylor Hall? I take Taylor Hall any day ove rDella Dovere, sitll they went with Della Rovere and it wasnt a bad pick cause they had enough Hall on their team and not enough Della Rovere.

To me it took quite a bit of time for Komi to become the D he's now. If you dont like Bieksa for this season why do you keep praising Komi? I dont care how much time they take to reach their potential, it doesnt make them worse player for this reason.
When did I mention Team Canada? lol.

I'm in Ottawa, I've watched Spezza play live a bunch of times. He really is overrated. Sometimes it's tough to tell on TV because cameras do not catch everything. I'm not saying this because I hate the Sens, I really don't like him as a player. I'd take Heatley over him anyday, I would not even think about it.

He just makes bad back passes and his coverage is a little lazy. I'm not denying he is a great offensive presence, but there are just a lot of negatives that come with him. He has improved from when he entered the league, but not enough for me to like him. Plus he doesn't have any intangible. I don't think he's seen as a lockerroom leader or a great guy off the ice. There are about 15-20 centres I would take before him.

As for Bieksa, I just don't buy the hype. One good year, gets hurt often, granted one was a freak accident. I just feel Komisarek is a guy we would really miss if he left whereas an offensive guy like Bieksa can be found elsewhere, like Leopold.

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When did I mention Team Canada? lol.

I'm in Ottawa, I've watched Spezza play live a bunch of times. He really is overrated. Sometimes it's tough to tell on TV because cameras do not catch everything. I'm not saying this because I hate the Sens, I really don't like him as a player. I'd take Heatley over him anyday, I would not even think about it.

He just makes bad back passes and his coverage is a little lazy. I'm not denying he is a great offensive presence, but there are just a lot of negatives that come with him. He has improved from when he entered the league, but not enough for me to like him. Plus he doesn't have any intangible. I don't think he's seen as a lockerroom leader or a great guy off the ice. There are about 15-20 centres I would take before him.

As for Bieksa, I just don't buy the hype. One good year, gets hurt often, granted one was a freak accident. I just feel Komisarek is a guy we would really miss if he left whereas an offensive guy like Bieksa can be found elsewhere, like Leopold.
I've read other posts before answering and so i guess i confuised you with anither guy talking team canada, that's the kind of thing I'd do.

Anyway for spezza i guess we just dont see him the same way, same for Bieksa. I'm not a big fan of Spezza, but i just think sometimes things said about him are blown out of proportion a bit. Sure he makes alot of bad passes and all, but i think down the road he'll be a pretty darn good player.


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