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01-12-2009, 08:54 AM
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What I cannot believe is that some people here are still not happy with a team that is top 5in the league. Instead of tweaking what we have to bring a cup here some are all for whosale changes to bring Vinnie who is expensive and would not be the answer to put us over the top.
What I don't understand is why some of you don't see why trading for Lecavalier, especially if Plekanec and Higgins are the ''core'' pieces of a deal, DOES indeed get us closer to a cup this year.

The Habs don't have a center of this caliber. And it's usually a key piece of any cup winner. Look it up.

And Gainey knows it. Why do you think he wanted Sundin so much?

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Unfortunately, since Habs has have players on LITR during the season so far they only have 234k in cap space according to Irish Blues. .
That 234 K figure is only if Weber/Chipchura/Pacioretty/Denis/D'Agostini ALL stay on the roster until the end of the year. It's just a projection, as you can see in the column to the left he projects that if all of them stay on the roster, along with the current team, the Habs will end up at 56,465,271 $. 56.7 - 56.4 = 234 K figure.

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What I don't understand is why some of you don't see why trading for Lecavalier, especially if Plekanec and Higgins are the ''core'' pieces of a deal, DOES indeed get us closer to a cup this year.
Call it remorse.

It's like knowing a girl, shes dating some guy, shes been dating him for a while, they got engaged once, and then, she finally admitted she does feel something for you. You think that yeah, she'll leave him for you, but no, she stays with him.

Now, it looks like the guy is tired of her, and there's a chance you could have her this time. But she rejected you to stay with him. PISHAW. I don't want her now!



I'd love to have Vinny, but that contract is crippling. Looking down the road, how much is Carey going to ask for? Last thing I want is to be like Pittsburgh and be tied up in five players, even with Timmins drafting for us.

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What I don't understand is why some of you don't see why trading for Lecavalier, especially if Plekanec and Higgins are the ''core'' pieces of a deal, DOES indeed get us closer to a cup this year.

The Habs don't have a center of this caliber. And it's usually a key piece of any cup winner. Look it up.

And Gainey knows it. Why do you think he wanted Sundin so much?
Lecavalier would instantly make us Stanley Cup contenders IMO. He is exactly what this team needs. The only thing I don't like is the length of his contract but I'd be willing to take the risk. If we could get him for the deal Dreger was talking then I hope it happens. But I remain very skeptical.

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Lecavalier would instantly make us Stanley Cup contenders IMO. He is exactly what this team needs. The only thing I don't like is the length of his contract but I'd be willing to take the risk. If we could get him for the deal Dreger was talking then I hope it happens. But I remain very skeptical.
exactly, we don't want that contract !!! ( but we do want Vinnie..)

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it's amazing. the team is going great, and all these rumors flying around. this has got to have a great effect in the room. higgins, komo and pleks is the new core of vets - especially if the impending ufa's leave.

you guys want a dipietro type contract? gainey doesn't sign anyone beyond 4 years.

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If a player is traded, with an already existing contract, can that contract be re-negotiated?

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First Gainey needs to have an agreement with St-Hubert BBQ before putting his hands on Lecavalier

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it's amazing. the team is going great, and all these rumors flying around. this has got to have a great effect in the room. higgins, komo and pleks is the new core of vets - especially if the impending ufa's leave.

you guys want a dipietro type contract? gainey doesn't sign anyone beyond 4 years.
i agree, this must be done quickly, either the trade or BG comming out publicly stating its not true !

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Your pet theory about using Montreal to raise his value doesn't work at all, if he truly wanted to raise his value, he would've went to the open market.
He didn't need to hit the open market to raise his value. Tampa Bay wanted to keep him and by simply going public with the possibility to sign in Montreal, it was more than enough to make the Lightning put more money on the table in order to avoid loosing him for nothing.

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I've also heard enough talking heads dance around saying that VL wants no part of Mtl. Granted this could change, I could've been listening to lunatics, but what I've heard has been undersated and said in very vague terms in a way that told me that they'd rather not go much further.

For him to come to Mtl, a good sales job would have to be done, but I have strong doubts, despite how much I'd love to see him play here.
Exactly. Tampa didn't want him to sign a one year deal to the risk of losing him to the Habs, because he went public with it. He's no angel here folks. It's a business and he used the Habs very well for his own benefit. I don't blame him for doing that, but it's crystal clear.

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Tony M on the 990 was basically adding more oil to the fire at the start of his show. Talked about GG being in town, lots of ''activity'' around the Bell Centre as he put it and said something like the Habs will explore all options if Lecavalier is truly available.

Number crunching time:

Assuming Higgins and Plekanec are the core parts of a Lecavalier deal, the following ''what if'' roster works next year under a 56 M cap.

Re-sign Komisarek: 5 M
Re-sign one of Tanguay or Kovalev: 5.5 M
Re-sign Koivu: 5 M
Re-sign Lang: 4 M

(and most of those numbers are ''high'' - just to prove the point)

2009-10 Habs - cap hit or cap hit guess
Price 2,200,000.00
Halak 775,000.00
Markov 5,750,000.00
Hamrlik 5,500,000.00
Komisarek 5,000,000.00
Gorges 1,100,000.00
O'Byrne 941,666.00
Weber 875,000.00
7th D 500,000.00
Lecavalier 7,727,273.00
Koivu 5,000,000.00
Chipchura 800,000.00
Lapierre 687,500.00
A. Kostitsyn 3,250,000.00
Lang 4,000,000.00
Pacioretty 875,000.00
Latendresse 1,250,000.00
Kovalev/Tanguay 5,500,000.00
S. Kostitsyn 816,667.00
D'Agostini 800,000.00
Stewart 500,000.00
Laraque 1,500,000.00

Total = 55,348,106.00

2009-10 lines:

Pacioretty - Lecavalier - Kovalev/Tanguay
A. Kostitsyn - Lang - S. Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Koivu - D'Agostini
Chipchura - Lapierre - Laraque
Stewart

Markov - Komisarek
Hamrlik - Weber
Gorges - O'Byrne
7th D

Price
Halak

That's still a heck of a roster.

As for the 2010-11 ''cap implosion'' season:

Basically, Koivu or the one we-resign between Tanguay/Kovalev must be re-signed to a one year deal this summer. Assuming it's Koivu that got the deal that extends into 2010-11:

2010-11 Habs - cap hit or cap hit guess
Price 5,000,000.00
cheap backup G 500,000.00
Markov 5,750,000.00
Hamrlik 5,500,000.00
Komisarek 5,000,000.00
Gorges 1,100,000.00
O'Byrne 941,666.00
Weber 875,000.00
7th D 500,000.00
Lecavalier 7,727,273.00
Koivu 5,000,000.00
Maxwell 850,000.00
Chipchura 800,000.00
A. Kostitsyn 3,250,000.00
Pacioretty 875,000.00
Latendresse 1,500,000.00
S. Kostitsyn 2,000,000.00
D'Agostini 1,000,000.00
Lapierre 1,000,000.00
Stewart 500,000.00
Laraque 1,500,000.00

Total = 51,168,939.00 (close enough to 50 M if that is the cap, we could delete 2 players to get there)

Then the following summer we get massive cap relief from Markov, Hamrlik and Laraque's 12.75 M combined expiring.

BOTTOM LINE: It can work long-term without gutting our team.

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The rumour is now TSN's main article.
Thanks GV, I was wondering when they were going to post it.

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it's amazing. the team is going great, and all these rumors flying around. this has got to have a great effect in the room. higgins, komo and pleks is the new core of vets - especially if the impending ufa's leave.

you guys want a dipietro type contract? gainey doesn't sign anyone beyond 4 years.
Just so you know, he was offering 7 years to Danny ****ing Briere.. so I think he'd be willing to take the risk with Vinny. Especially since big players like Vinny (aka. Sundin), can keep playing well even when they get older)

7.8 Cap hit for Vinny is pretty damn good.

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Tony M on the 990 was basically adding more oil to the fire at the start of his show. Talked about GG being in town, lots of ''activity'' around the Bell Centre as he put it and said something like the Habs will explore all options if Lecavalier is truly available.

Number crunching time:

Assuming Higgins and Plekanec are the core parts of a Lecavalier deal, the following ''what if'' roster works next year under a 56 M cap.

Re-sign Komisarek: 5 M
Re-sign one of Tanguay or Kovalev: 5.5 M
Re-sign Koivu: 5 M
Re-sign Lang: 4 M

(and most of those numbers are ''high'' - just to prove the point)

2009-10 Habs - cap hit or cap hit guess
Price 2,200,000.00
Halak 775,000.00
Markov 5,750,000.00
Hamrlik 5,500,000.00
Komisarek 5,000,000.00
Gorges 1,100,000.00
O'Byrne 941,666.00
Weber 875,000.00
7th D 500,000.00
Lecavalier 7,727,273.00
Koivu 5,000,000.00
Chipchura 800,000.00
Lapierre 687,500.00
A. Kostitsyn 3,250,000.00
Lang 4,000,000.00
Pacioretty 875,000.00
Latendresse 1,250,000.00
Kovalev/Tanguay 5,500,000.00
S. Kostitsyn 816,667.00
D'Agostini 800,000.00
Stewart 500,000.00
Laraque 1,500,000.00

Total = 55,348,106.00

2009-10 lines:

Pacioretty - Lecavalier - Kovalev/Tanguay
A. Kostitsyn - Lang - S. Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Koivu - D'Agostini
Chipchura - Lapierre - Laraque
Stewart

Markov - Komisarek
Hamrlik - Weber
Gorges - O'Byrne
7th D

Price
Halak

That's still a heck of a roster.

As for the 2010-11 ''cap implosion'' season:

Basically, Koivu or the one we-resign between Tanguay/Kovalev must be re-signed to a one year deal this summer. Assuming it's Koivu that got the deal that extends into 2010-11:

2010-11 Habs - cap hit or cap hit guess
Price 5,000,000.00
cheap backup G 500,000.00
Markov 5,750,000.00
Hamrlik 5,500,000.00
Komisarek 5,000,000.00
Gorges 1,100,000.00
O'Byrne 941,666.00
Weber 875,000.00
7th D 500,000.00
Lecavalier 7,727,273.00
Koivu 5,000,000.00
Maxwell 850,000.00
Chipchura 800,000.00
A. Kostitsyn 3,250,000.00
Pacioretty 875,000.00
Latendresse 1,500,000.00
S. Kostitsyn 2,000,000.00
D'Agostini 1,000,000.00
Lapierre 1,000,000.00
Stewart 500,000.00
Laraque 1,500,000.00

Total = 51,168,939.00 (close enough to 50 M if that is the cap, we could delete 2 players to get there)

Then the following summer we get massive cap relief from Markov, Hamrlik and Laraque's 12.75 M combined expiring.

BOTTOM LINE: It can work long-term without gutting our team.
Why the hell do you re-sign Lang if you get Lecavalier?? But the numbers are okay, not so far away from being realistic.

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Just so you know, he was offering 7 years to Danny ****ing Briere.. so I think he'd be willing to take the risk with Vinny. Especially since big players like Vinny (aka. Sundin), can keep playing well even when they get older)

7.8 Cap hit for Vinny is pretty damn good.



Why the hell do you re-sign Lang if you get Lecavalier?? But the numbers are okay, not so far away from being realistic.
i think for the same reason you signed him this year with Pleks. you would go with Vinny, Koivu,Chips,Laps ?

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i think for the same reason you signed him this year with Pleks. you would go with Vinny, Koivu,Chips,Laps ?
I think there may be a younger, cheaper UFA option out there.

 
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i think for the same reason you signed him this year with Pleks. you would go with Vinny, Koivu,Chips,Laps ?
Yes for sure. I doubt Lang will be as productive next season if we re-sign him.. and we needed his size more than Anything... Vinny has that.

Plus, the way Lapierre is playing, why would you try him out as your 3rd line centre? He could be magic again with Lats.

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I know we're talking about Lecavalier and all.....but why am I under the impression that Subban CANNOT be included in a deal. The guy breathes the Habs, sure has things to learn and will not be perfect but seems to me that Subban is way more than just his hockey skills. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Habs offering McDo more than Subban even though they certainly wish to keep both guys.

But then it's probably just my opinion but I see Subban as an untouchable.

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i think for the same reason you signed him this year with Pleks. you would go with Vinny, Koivu,Chips,Laps ?
With the way Laps has been playing since Saku's injury, I'd seriously contemplate the idea. Chips should be good for 4th line minutes as well.

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I know we're talking about Lecavalier and all.....but why am I under the impression that Subban CANNOT be included in a deal. The guy breathes the Habs, sure has things to learn and will not be perfect but seems to me that Subban is way more than just his hockey skills. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Habs offering McDo more than Subban even though they certainly wish to keep both guys.

But then it's probably just my opinion but I see Subban as an untouchable.
He very well could be Whitesnake, but as a friend of mine mentioned to me the other day. Subban's trade value has never been higher than it is right now after the WJC. So depending what the management's future plans are for him. If he was going to be dealt, now would be the perfect time.

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I know we're talking about Lecavalier and all.....but why am I under the impression that Subban CANNOT be included in a deal. The guy breathes the Habs, sure has things to learn and will not be perfect but seems to me that Subban is way more than just his hockey skills. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Habs offering McDo more than Subban even though they certainly wish to keep both guys.

But then it's probably just my opinion but I see Subban as an untouchable.
I would agree the guy is way to engaging and entertaining on and off the ice to trade, there are alternatives and in a trade this big the prospects are not going to make or break the deal IMO

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With the way Laps has been playing since Saku's injury, I'd seriously contemplate the idea. Chips should be good for 4th line minutes as well.
fair enough, but would you guys like to resign Lang, i mean he is having a wonderful season right now ?

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