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01-13-2009, 09:18 AM
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When I think of Schremp, I think of Alex Bourret. The Rangers organization was unable to fix Bourret's issues, I see no reason to believe they will be the magic cure-all for Schremp.
Good call, totally agree.

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01-13-2009, 10:01 AM
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When I think of Schremp, I think of Alex Bourret. The Rangers organization was unable to fix Bourret's issues, I see no reason to believe they will be the magic cure-all for Schremp.
Mmmm where would you rank him in the Rangers prospects if he came over?

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When I think of Schremp, I think of Alex Bourret. The Rangers organization was unable to fix Bourret's issues, I see no reason to believe they will be the magic cure-all for Schremp.
correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Schremp have a better skill set the bourret, and a higher ceiling.

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01-13-2009, 10:20 AM
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I think at age 18-20, Shremp had a slightly better skillset and slightly higher upside. I believe Shremp was taken lower in draft than Bourret, but if I remember correctly, his draft class was a bit better.

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01-13-2009, 10:27 AM
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Well the guy sure isnt feeling the love from the Oilers. Maybe he's on the edge, a guy with sick skills but for whatever reason cant play at the NHL level game in game out.

Perhaps a trade would be beneficial. If it didnt cost a lot, why not take a chance. He can play wing as well as center and he can play the PP. I know the 150pt season in juniors is the past, but he put up a pt per game last year in the AHL. If nothing else he could help the Pack

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Well the guy sure isnt feeling the love from the Oilers. Maybe he's on the edge, a guy with sick skills but for whatever reason cant play at the NHL level game in game out.

Perhaps a trade would be beneficial. If it didnt cost a lot, why not take a chance. He can play wing as well as center and he can play the PP. I know the 150pt season in juniors is the past, but he put up a pt per game last year in the AHL. If nothing else he could help the Pack
Possibly. But he is a RFA next season, so I imagine he'd want some NHL time this season if he intended to resign wherever he landed.

I saw the couple games he was called up for, and he looked decent, but didn't strike me as a guy who would be an impact player here. I know he plays the point on the PP, but after the one shift of Drury on the point, I doubt we see another forward back there.

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01-13-2009, 10:38 AM
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Ok.... I'm just brainstorming some more "dormant" scoring for the Rangers I guess


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i cannnot think of any player less likely to fit into the "renney system" than robbie schremp.

hes all offense. no defense. all creativity. no structure. all one on one stick handling and no "5 in the box" mentality. heck hes none in the box. hes zherdev without the skating speed or the edge.

no doubt, robs got some filthy stick skills. but in the renney system, where blair betts is a wet dream, hes not gonna fit. within weeks of arriving, schremp will be banished to the press box, takin turns with petr prucha and smiling at pretty girls.

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01-13-2009, 10:58 AM
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haha hossa, he had the talent to really be something in the NHL, but he just didnt have the motivation or drive to do it. its sad to see a guy with his talent not become something in this league.
Sadly, Hossa would probably been just as good an option as some of the others on the roster now. I mean, who in the bottom 6 is doing a job that he couldn't?

The same applies to Schremp. The expectations to remain in the Rangers lineup are virtually non-existent, so it's hard to imagine that someone with even motivation issues can't reach them. Can he bring any less to the lineup than Sjostrom?

Fritsche, straight up.

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Well Thats where Renny comes in. Sometimes I question Rennys managing of the game, but I think hes an Excellent teacher, coach. Perhaps he can reach Schremp where the Oilers have failed

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Fritsche, straight up.
I mean really, wheres the downside on this?

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if the oilers were interested id do fritsche for schremp straight up, heck id even consider maybe doing a dawes for schremp.

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Voros is creative?

Im talking Prucha, Zherdev, Dubinsky.

Voros is just scratched because he is a terrible hockey player. Though I guess he does play a "Renney" type game since for some reason he was put back into the line to only take bad penalties and bring a line down. But as long as he doesnt try to be creative then he's good to go.
Voros was a joke. he was the only player besides Prucha I could think of that's been held of the lineup (which is how I interpreted benching)

Prucha was benched because he wasn't playing good enough, not because he wasn't safe enough (17 points in 70 games before he put up his first point this season).

I remember Zherdev being benched once, never Dubinsky. if Dubinsky were benched, I think it would have more to do with his 6 points in 19 games streak (even though his ice time never dipped below 12:40 in that span and his average ice was 16:52).

Renney does not stifle creativity. Nylander excelled under Renney, but is finding the pressbox a lot under his new coach.

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01-13-2009, 12:45 PM
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Renney does not stifle creativity. Nylander excelled under Renney, but is finding the pressbox a lot under his new coach.
Bad example. Nylander is two years older and coming off major shoulder surgery now. If you recall, he also was one of the few vets to ever find a seat in the press box under Renney.

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As everyone else has said, Schremp is all stick skills and one-on-one: with the puck, that is. For somebody so highly touted he may have the worst hockey sense I've ever seen. He's lazy in the neutral zone and is almost always a step behind when sliding into coverage and that will not work in this system.

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I remember Zherdev being benched once, never Dubinsky. if Dubinsky were benched, I think it would have more to do with his 6 points in 19 games streak (even though his ice time never dipped below 12:40 in that span and his average ice was 16:52).
Dubi was benched against the Islanders on October 27, which just happened to be right about when his scoring touch disappeared.

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Dubi was benched against the Islanders on October 27, which just happened to be right about when his scoring touch disappeared.
Yeah, that was one of the moves that pushed me into the fire Renney category.

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Dubi was benched against the Islanders on October 27, which just happened to be right about when his scoring touch disappeared.
So your boss reprimands you and you respond by handing in ****** work for awhile and the boss is to blame for your work not being good? Is this what your saying?

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Dubi was benched against the Islanders on October 27, which just happened to be right about when his scoring touch disappeared.
so are you saying that Renney cutting a couple of Dubinsky's shifts (he played 11:24), is the reason he hasn't produced in two and a half months?

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Squishy...

I believe Nylander sat once. The Rangers won and played well without him and he returned to the lineup the next game. It may've been a token benching, but he was benched.

As for Schremp...he does need a change of scenery, but that doesn't mean he'd excel elsewhere.

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"Dubi was benched against the Islanders on October 27, which just happened to be right about when his scoring touch disappeared"

So in other words, Renney's a genius for foreseeing this and he tried to do something to stop the slump before it happens, but unfortunately it was inevitable.

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So your boss reprimands you and you respond by handing in ****** work for awhile and the boss is to blame for your work not being good? Is this what your saying?
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so are you saying that Renney cutting a couple of Dubinsky's shifts (he played 11:24), is the reason he hasn't produced in two and a half months?

Correction is one thing, but hurting a young player's confidence can go a long way towards making that player less effective. I certainly noticed that Dubi wasn't driving through the neutral zone like he was when he was scoring like a madman. He wasn't getting in deep to forecheck like he had been, either. He was playing "safe."

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Correction is one thing, but hurting a young player's confidence can go a long way towards making that player less effective. I certainly noticed that Dubi wasn't driving through the neutral zone like he was when he was scoring like a madman. He wasn't getting in deep to forecheck like he had been, either. He was playing "safe."
if Dubinsky really is that sensitive, it's going to be a long, frustrating career
fortunately, I don't think he is.

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I would trade fritsche or a 4th round pick for him. We all have been wanting another skilled winger who can put up points on this team. Whether it is to play with dubi/zherdev or gomez/naslund the opposite side of those lines is kind of weak offensively(callahan/korpikoski/voros). Don't get me wrong, I really like korpikoski and callahan however if you want this team to put up more points then this team needs more offensive skill. It's that simple. The team defense has been getting better and better and IMO the rangers can afford to take a flyer on a guy who could potentially be a 30 goal scorer. Does he come with some problems? Absolutely. But so did zherdev and look how that has worked out. This is what this team NEEDS to do in order to get the talent they need. They need to buy low. Hope that players can turn it around. They have enough players in their system who can fill the bottom lines and play well both ways. What they need are players who consistently put the puck in the net and make the players around them better.

I say get the deal done and see what the guy has. If he doesnt work out, oh well. What's the downside? The loss of a late pick? The loss of some depth at forward? I would gladly take that.

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If he doesn't work you've wasted time, money and energy that couldve been used on someone who's worth it. I'd rather not throw Schremp in with the rest of our youth. Don't like what could happen there.

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