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08-04-2004, 01:28 PM
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Semenov Signs (Two Years + option)

http://www.edmontonoilers.com/pressb...=20040804_1699

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Very good news. Glad to hear it.

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“We’re pleased to have Alexei under contract for the next two seasons,” says Edmonton Oilers Assistant General Manager Scott Howson. “We feel strongly that he is now ready to take on a bigger role on our blueline

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www.nhlpa.com hasn't updated yet. I wonder how much it is.

But this is fantastic news. I wonder if the club option for year three is like the one in the Conklin contract.

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Good stuff. I really like Semenov, and he's only 23 years old! He should be a top-4 guy next season. I think they'll have to do something on their blueline to get Semi in the line-up regularly. If they are really trying to sign Smith long term, and they have Staios locked up then Brewer is in a really precarious position. I'd rather see:

Smith Staios
Semenov Ulanov
Cross Bergeron

At least Bergeron has some offensive upside. He's the only guy in the bunch, including Brewer, with natural PP instincts. He has to play too.

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OV time

put semi and Ullie together. Good news!!

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well, as long as Brewer and Smith don't get/want outlandish contracts -they'll both still be in Edmonton, in that case - I don't know what happens, because one of Cross, Ulanov, or Staios would have to take the fall (as I can't see it being Bergeron or Semenov) especially if one of Woywitka or Lynch step up.

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Ulanov is an ideal 5-6 who can fill-in on the top two pairings if there's an injury. Cross is no.7 right now because Bergeron and Semenov have to play. I really wouldn't have a problem with the team moving Brewer (especially if he gets around 3M in arbitration). If we could get another vet, a la Ulanov, to work as a 5-7 guy that would be great. I would even take a guy like Slegr for a season at 1M and try to get a good deal for Brewer. Nedved is still not a lock to sign here, so we could still use a top line center and Brewer would be a good starting point.

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Semenov

This is good news - I'm hoping Semenov can reach the potential that I always hoped he'd have. It would be a dream come true if he could develop a bit of a mean streak - it would add so much to his game.

I must be the only Oilers fan around here who doesn't want to see Brewer traded. His numbers have not been impressive, but the guy can play. He was often the best d-man on the ice the second half of last season, and to me there is just something to be said for enjoying watching a player. He is not a crease-clearer, a powerplay specialist, a banger, a break-out guy or a shut-down guy. However, he does all those things reasonably well. He has a well-rounded game, he just doesn't excel at any one thing. Plus, at his age his game still has time to improve and develop.

Unless Brewer gets awarded $3 million+ by the arbitrator, we'd be better off keeping him. If he becomes a $3 million d-man, we need to get a top line centre in exchange for him.

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Unless Brewer gets awarded $3 million+ by the arbitrator, we'd be better off keeping him. If he becomes a $3 million d-man, we need to get a top line centre in exchange for him.
Don't get me wrong, I do like Brewer, like you said he is not a $3M player. I will give you three reasons why.

1. not consistent every night
2. Has not even scored 30 points in a season.
3. Has not scored dble digit goals in a season.

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The only way I could see Brewer going is if we get another #2-3 calibre dman in return (or in an alternate deal), which will be hard to find for less than $2.5 million/yr.

I like the Oilers' defense right now, and I hate to get on this subject again, but just because we have really good depth, does not mean you can trade away your best defenseman.

Smith - Staios
Semenov - Ulanov
Bergeron - Cross
Lynch/Woywitka

Yuck.

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ya, wolfpack, I've more then once said strongly that this team can't afford to lose Brewer without a LEGIT top four Dman in return. A third pairing type guy wouldn't cut it for Brewer. Even when Brew was sucking it up bad there at the start of the season, he was our most valuable Dman. When he was hurt for a bit it really showed how brutal of a defense we have without him.

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I don't think anyone thinks we should just get rid of Brewer. But he's not worth more than...$2.7M in my view, and that is an overpayment itself. I think he could easily net a top 4 guy in return, and a little extra. I have a question for those that think it is prudent to hang onto Brewer: How many top 4 defensemen do the Oilers have right now. I think most people would be inclined to say 3, Brewer, Smith and Staios. None of these guys is a legit no.1 defenseman. Of the rest of the defense Ulanov showed last season that he can be a steady no.4 guy, logging good minutes and bringing a physical edge. Bergeron is destined to be a 3rd pairing guy that gets his minutes on the PP. I think most people on this board think that Semenov will one day (maybe soon) be a top 4, same goes for Woywitka. Cross is basically a 3rd pairing vet that you only want playing more than 13 minutes a game if there is a rash of injuries.

I don't think Lowe is all that worried about the Brewer situation. He still has yet to live up to his potential and he has not, in my view, recipricated the loyalty that Lowe has shown him through backing him for Team Canada spots when others (again, my view) are more deserving. Hannan should play ahead of Brewer in the world cup, likewise Regehr. You can make a case that Boyle, McCabe and Souray all had stronger seasons than Brewer and could be there instead of him.

Brewer is proving to be whiny in my opinion. There is no room on this team for whinners. I realize it's a business as they say, but Lowe has repeatedly stated that there is a price to pay to enjoy professional hockey as an Oiler. Brewer, like some before him, might be unwilling to pay that (some would say small) price.

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I'm not even convinced that Staios is a #3 dman. He's a better #4. I have some hopes for Semmy as a top four dman. But Brewer has shown much more than Staios or Semenov. its why him and Smith should be the top pair. if Brewer got traded, it would be a big blow to our defense core. The kids just aren't ready yet and the vets couldn't do the minutes.

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Signing Semi to a 2 year deal... : He's going to have a breakout year and then Lowe's gonna have to sign him for more .

Jokes aside, thats good to hear he's in the loop for when (if) the season starts, though I would be very curious how this all plays out with the signing of Brewer as well. Basically from my point of view I think we may not see our captain in Oilers silks again . The Oilers simply have to many defenceman (not saying they're all high end) and if there was ever a time for Lowe to make a trade it would be now. We basically got two very good prospects (Woywitka and Lynch) who needs to be moved to the Oilers, IMO them playing in the AHL for another full season won't benefit their development. They may not have full time roster spot but it would be good to ease them into the fold.

Currently if we sign Smith we would have the following dmens:

Smith-Brewer
Semenov-Staios
Ulanov-Bergeron
Cross....

Where would we be able to fit Woywitka and Lynch? I think its awsome that the RR will be playing in Edmonton, that gives the chance for these two to move in and out of the lineup but the Oilers won't be able to do this without moving a player.

IMO trading Smith will/should get us back a scoring forward, maybe not a superstar or anything like that but the scoring issue could be addressed. Hopefully a scoring centreman.

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good move to get Semenov signed for 2 years, and even better move by getting a club option for a 3rd year, IF Semenov does break out, even if he doesn't it's good to have to keep his salary lower for at least another season. good move by K-Lowe

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nhlpa.com doesn't have the salary listed, but it's been reported by Robert Tychkowski from the Edmonton Sun that the contract is 900K and 1M for the first 2 years but no word on the option.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...05/570075.html

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They also penned defenceman Alexei Semenov to a two-year deal ($900,000 and $1 million) with a club option for a third.

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nhlpa.com doesn't have the salary listed, but it's been reported by Robert Tychkowski from the Edmonton Sun that the contract is 900K and 1M for the first 2 years but no word on the option.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...05/570075.html
I'm far too lazy to look up other players in Semenov's situation ... but that seems reasonable to me, as long as there isn't a big jump in salary in the option year (assuming a team option where the player becomes UFA if it is declined).

We should expect Bergeron to sign a very similar deal now I'd think. Different players, but similar value, and at similar points in their careers IMO.

Personally I'm not much of a fan of young defensemen, takes a long time to learn that position, and Dman mistakes cost games ... but both these guys look like players to me.

Two young D-men on one roster is as much as any coaches nerves can be expected to take though ... heck, Bowman rarely ever had more than one on any roster he ever coached, or not for long anyways. So it makes me wonder about the short term chances for Woywitka and Lynch. Hopefully a couple more years of seasoning with the RRs for both.

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I'm far too lazy to look up other players in Semenov's situation ... but that seems reasonable to me, as long as there isn't a big jump in salary in the option year (assuming a team option where the player becomes UFA if it is declined).
as far as I know, that isn't how team options work. This discussion came up with regards to Chimera (pre-trade), some saying that he'd be a UFA if his option wasn't exercised, but his option wasn't exercised by PHX and he's still their property.

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I think speeds is correct. Declining an option year makes him an RFA, not a UFA and he must then be qualified.

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We should expect Bergeron to sign a very similar deal now I'd think. Different players, but similar value, and at similar points in their careers IMO.
Personally I'd be disappointed to see Bergeron get that kind of money. My opinion is that Semenov will evolve in to a top-4 guy and I can see him playing more 20-25 minute games and in different situations than Bergeron, who I suspect will log 12-15 minutes a night, with 4-5 on the PP.

You're right that they seem to be at similar points in their careers, and if Bergeron gets a three year deal averaging $900k/yr, I can be content with that. But to try and put it in perspective (I'm not sure this is relevant or not) - Horcoff had to have a pretty good year in 02/03 just to get up to $800,000 for last season.

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AS for Semenov's salary,well, it's probably a bit higher than it need be, but all in all it's probably pretty good value, then again, I'm a big beliver inwhat Semenov could become.

Wish it had been 3 years solid, instead of the team option, which is probably way too high but if so I guess you don't have to exercise it unless it's benficial. Never hurts to have the option.

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