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08-05-2004, 12:27 PM
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McCabe signs for 5 mil.

Now, I personally think this is one of many reasons why the Toronto Maple Leafs are the most hated team in the NHL and it certainly doesn't enamour me to them any further, however who gives a toss about the Leafs. What I want to know is, do all the people who are convinced Brewer wouldn't have gotten a raise still stand by it.

If he and Meehan went to an arbitrator and pointed to McCabe, a player not on the WC team or the Olympic team as not a comparable but a bench mark, would it be unbelievable that said arbitrator wouldn't give Brewer more than a 6 per cent raise.

Personally, deals like this, as ridiculous as they are, are the reason I am happy with the Brewer signing.

My 2 cents...

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Agree completely. What the Leafs are doing is absolutely stupid. If there is a salary cap put in place, which seems to be the road down which we are headed they will be in trouble. Mccabe 5, Roberts 3+, Niuwendyk 3+, Sundin 9, Belfour 6.

There is $25 M 5 players.

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If you ever needed proof that Leaf Fans are on their own planet... see how long it takes for $ to even come seriously into the conversation. Incredible. They just don't see the big picture.

Isn't that like topic #1 when other teams sign guys?

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Only in Toronto could the most overrated player in the league get paid that much money.

Absolutely ridiculous.

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I can't believe that McPointe is being paid that kind of money.

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way too much money. this is what excatly wrong with NHL

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Yeah but hey.............it's not bad for their #2 d-man

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One question. Is he better than Brewer?

I don't think he is, but I'd like to hear what you guys think.

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One question. Is he better than Brewer?

I don't think he is, but I'd like to hear what you guys think.
IMO Brewer is better than him. #2 brew has better hair cut than McCabe

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He certainly had a much better year than Brewer, but no I don't think he is any better.

Brewer has the higher upside and his development has been steadier than McCabe (who IMO showed promise in NY, wasn't great in Vancouver, terrible in Chicago, brutal at times in Toronto prior to this year, and still inconsistent at times last season).

I think McCabe will have a tough time living up to his contract next season.

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One question. Is he better than Brewer?

I don't think he is, but I'd like to hear what you guys think.
Watching him during the 2004 playoffs getting 29 minutes a game he had a few dumb errors that made me wince.

He should have been happy with what he was making.

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08-05-2004, 03:19 PM
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Guy we're on the board for a team...

that hasn't made the playoffs in two of the last three seasons and yet optimism abounds and reality is shunned so I woudln't be throwing stones at fanhouses of any other teams.

As far as the Leaves signing McCabe,. I guess he went from a quasi-bargain to a guy who now HAS to score 50 points or be a brilliant defender to be worth that money. And no TO isn't worried about what kind of precendent this sets for his peers because they don't have to. I don't like it anymore than anyone else but the TO Leaves have a license to print money so they aren't worried and they don't need a change in the CBA.

And as far as some kind of salary cap hurting TO well you know it would have to be grandfathered in so it's not gonna go against any contract signed prior to the new CBA

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As far as the Leaves signing McCabe,. I guess he went from a quasi-bargain to a guy who now HAS to score 50 points or be a brilliant defender to be worth that money.
Good post Matts. Three fine points in staccato succession.

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Jeez, I can't get over Calgary's brilliant move with the Regher contract! 1.75 mil next season for one of the top emerging defenders in the game. That really, really makes the McCabe (and also Morris) contracts look ugly.


I can't believe boneheaded responses Guy is getting on the Leafs boad--what am I saying, of course I can.

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McCabe was an NHL 2nd team All-star last year ... I didn't see Brewer, Hannan ...Did Redden get named ?? Or are we just not able to see him on the list because he is standing behind his teammate Chara on the list...
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McCabe is a better player than 4 of the 5 guys you listed
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It's a business



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08-05-2004, 05:18 PM
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Fine signing, IMO. 4.45/4.55. He has great stats, 53 pts and a +22, I would think he would get around that money in arbritration for sure.

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08-05-2004, 05:47 PM
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But one season does not make a player. Gonchar has been putting up great offensive numbers for how many years in a row and has just now gotten a 5.5M contract.

If McCabe scores 40+ points consistently during the duration of the contract and also has on average a +15 rating then its a fine contract, otherwise it isn't.

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08-05-2004, 06:04 PM
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Matts said it the best (Ironic, no? )

McCabe must either put up 50+ points or become amazing in his own zone in each next couple years to really live upto that deal.

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Matts said it the best (Ironic, no? )
I don't deny that Matts knows his hockey, I just don't think he knows enough about the team he claims to support.

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Fine signing, IMO. 4.45/4.55. He has great stats, 53 pts and a +22, I would think he would get around that money in arbritration for sure.
Quinn really trusts him too ... he played some tough minutes out there. Ohlund/Redden/Mara type toughness of minutes. The guy has game.


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08-05-2004, 06:39 PM
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But one season does not make a player. Gonchar has been putting up great offensive numbers for how many years in a row and has just now gotten a 5.5M contract.

If McCabe scores 40+ points consistently during the duration of the contract and also has on average a +15 rating then its a fine contract, otherwise it isn't.
Ya, I guess that the Leafs have the money to gamble. But I'd always be leery of young defensemen.

Still, though McCabe has been a bit erratic ... he's had some tremendous stretches too. And the guy does it all ... plays the toughest defensive minutes (and ends up EV+/-15 doing it, very impressive IMO ... you need more than luck to pull that off).

And he's a PP contributor. Not a great PP guy, but pretty damn good.

I wish he was an Oiler.

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08-05-2004, 06:42 PM
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Yeah that was a great signing for Reghr

How many points did he have last year, I'm gonna say 20? So that means McCabe gets nearly three million more for scoring 30 points more, and as a note it's no given he's gonna post 50 points a season, and for being lesser of a defensive stalwart.

Of course McCabe is a lot older and has more service time and the Leaves obviously value keeping a guy happy and the fans too who ultimately won't cotton to putting up with constant ticket hikes just to see a holdout potentially stutter the start of a season not to mention how many holdouts get injured or never really get their games on track

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