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01-22-2009, 02:33 PM
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Tomas Kaberle

Just curious what everyone though his value was... Cause every Mapleleafs offer has him in it but the value him so much..

So wondering what does everyone think his true value is?

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app?p...e=page&tab=prf

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01-22-2009, 02:46 PM
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Right now Kaberle seems to be the best available defenseman coming into the trade deadline. With all these desperate teams I say he will get a lot in return, especially if a bidding war occurs.

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A good young player, a top prospect and a first round pick.

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A good young player, a top prospect and a first round pick.
If the good young player isn't integral to the team right now, like Wheeler, and the prospect isn't a teams best prospect like Filatov, then I agree. I can see a teams top 5 prospect, a 2nd line potential type young player. Nothing more. Neither Boyle nor Campbell got more than that, if you want to use them as comparisons.

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A good young player, a top prospect and a first round pick.
Agreed.

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If the good young player isn't integral to the team right now, like Wheeler, and the prospect isn't a teams best prospect like Filatov, then I agree. I can see a teams top 5 prospect, a 2nd line potential type young player. Nothing more. Neither Boyle nor Campbell got more than that, if you want to use them as comparisons.
Ya I agree. I am not expecting the good young player to be like Wheeler, or the prospect to be like Filatov. That being said he should fetch a good return. Campbell was a pure rental, Boyle is signed long-term but at a lot more than Kaberle is.

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01-22-2009, 03:01 PM
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I would expect value similar to what Brian Campbell got last year. A first round pick and then a roster player. Buf got a first and Bernier last year, he was a young 2nd/ 3rd liner. I would expect the leafs to get something close to this in return. If they don't get the roster player then I am sure it will have to be a fairly highly touted prospect.

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If the good young player isn't integral to the team right now, like Wheeler, and the prospect isn't a teams best prospect like Filatov, then I agree. I can see a teams top 5 prospect, a 2nd line potential type young player. Nothing more. Neither Boyle nor Campbell got more than that, if you want to use them as comparisons.
Thank you for the clarification.

The only revision I would make is that said good young player probably wouldn't necessarily be top-6/top-4. That may be what's meant by "integral to the team right now", but I want to be sure.

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I would expect value similar to what Brian Campbell got last year. A first round pick and then a roster player. Buf got a first and Bernier last year, he was a young 2nd/ 3rd liner. I would expect the leafs to get something close to this in return. If they don't get the roster player then I am sure it will have to be a fairly highly touted prospect.
I expect Kaberle's value to be higher than what Campbell's was merely because he is not a rental and is signed at 4.25M for two more years.

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Just curious what everyone though his value was... Cause every Mapleleafs offer has him in it but the value him so much..

So wondering what does everyone think his true value is?

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app?p...e=page&tab=prf
I just listened to Burke on Fan 590. It sounds like he plans to keep him.

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Maybe we should check the previous 97 Value of: Tomas Kaberle threads to find out what his value is.

Not hating...just saying.

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01-22-2009, 03:43 PM
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I just listened to Burke on Fan 590. It sounds like he plans to keep him.
That would be pretty stupid of Burke.

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I just listened to Burke on Fan 590. It sounds like he plans to keep him.

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I'd rather have Kaberle than Campbell or Boyle. In the right situation I see him getting 90+ points. Anyway, that's what I honestly think.

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That would be pretty stupid of Burke.
it could be posturing for values sake, but its not that bad an idea. it'd be better to keep him if you plan on making the playoffs by 10/11. he'd be the veteran leader of the team by then and you cant just replace his powerplay abilities.

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I'd rather have Kaberle than Campbell or Boyle. In the right situation I see him getting 90+ points. Anyway, that's what I honestly think.
You don't honestly think Boyle or Campbell could get 90+ points in the right situation?

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I'd rather have Kaberle than Campbell or Boyle. In the right situation I see him getting 90+ points. Anyway, that's what I honestly think.
not a chance. he may lead dmen in points under the right situation(70ish), but not by that much, watch what happens to your comments.

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I just listened to Burke on Fan 590. It sounds like he plans to keep him.
Translation: "If no one offers me what I want for Kaberle, I'll keep him... so offer me what I want because I don't actually want to keep him..."

Baitin' (If you've Idiocracy this should make you laugh)

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That would be pretty stupid of Burke.
How?

My reaction upon reading that was "Good for him!" A rebuild isn't done by kicking out everybody over 25 and piling on the draft picks. You need to have at least some prior veteran experience so that the kids have some locker room guidance. Given that he's been a Leaf for his whole NHL career, I would've thought Kaberle to be a near lock for such a role.

Also, if your rebuild isn't making progress within five years You're Doing It Wrong (see: Columbus under MacLean). Kaberle ought to still be a viable player in that time. Or if Burke is thinking "one or two years with the right picks and a little luck", then even better.

If you wanted a GM that would engineer a tank... you got the wrong guy.

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it could be posturing for values sake, but its not that bad an idea. it'd be better to keep him if you plan on making the playoffs by 10/11. he'd be the veteran leader of the team by then and you cant just replace his powerplay abilities.
It would be Leaf mentality to keep him around until he has no value. Like Tucker and McCabe before him.

I see the logic in your argument though obviously.

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It would be Leaf mentality to keep him around until he has no value. Like Tucker and McCabe before him.

I see the logic in your argument though obviously.
he'll own be 32 by 10/11 which is still primetime for dmen. and hes not a rough injury-prone guy

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not a chance. he may lead dmen in points under the right situation(70ish), but not by that much, watch what happens to your comments.
Care to make a bet for, let's say .... 5 billion dollars.

I realize I'm on an island regarding this opinion. Only time can tell.

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You don't honestly think Boyle or Campbell could get 90+ points in the right situation?
Not as likely imo.

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From a Canuck perspective I think Kaberle is the guy we want. Plus Burke and Nonis know the Canuck players very well and would be confident in getting the right value in return for Kaberle. He is exactly what Vancouver needs now, not a top six winger as many think.

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From a Canuck perspective I think Kaberle is the guy we want. Plus Burke and Nonis know the Canuck players very well and would be confident in getting the right value in return for Kaberle. He is exactly what Vancouver needs now, not a top six winger as many think.
I agree that Kaberle makes a lot of sense for the Canucks, and for Kaberle for that matter. I just don't know if the Canucks have the assets that would interest Burke enough. You also have to wonder if Burke/Nonis hold any grudge against the Canucks for losing their jobs. You would hope that they wouldn't and they would make the best deal possible regardless of who they're dealing with, but Burke is an incredible stubborn guy so who knows.

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If the good young player isn't integral to the team right now, like Wheeler, and the prospect isn't a teams best prospect like Filatov, then I agree. I can see a teams top 5 prospect, a 2nd line potential type young player. Nothing more. Neither Boyle nor Campbell got more than that, if you want to use them as comparisons.


Please remember Kaberle is not a rental! A team picking him up has him for another year at a fraction of what Campbell is now being paid.

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