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01-23-2009, 03:03 PM
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what would it take to get antropov?

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01-23-2009, 03:15 PM
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Then why has he played only 36 of the team's 47 games. I don't recall him being injured, so why has he missed close to 25% of the team's games?
The Majority of them were at the start of the year. He's playing 26-28 minutes a night right now.

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01-23-2009, 03:29 PM
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Since speculation is going around that Kaberle, Kubina, and Antropov should be able to garner a 1st round pick you would need to start there. Nagy went for a 1st and 3rd at last years deadline. I would say that they are compareable and some would debate that Antropov is better. Kaberle is going to go for a 1st, top prospect, and young NHLer.

I would be willing to make a deal around both Kaberle and Antropov to Vancouver.

How about:

Kaberle, Antropov

for

Raymond, Hodgsson, 1st '09, 3rd in '09, 2nd '10


Kaberle = Hodgsson, 1st '09, 2nd '10
Antropov= Raymond, 3rd '09

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I'd like to see the Rangers consider Antropov. I think he could work well with Gomez, we need a forward with some size on the wing. As much as I like Voros, we need one much more consistant than that and one that can score goals.

Any ideas on what the Leafs would want off the Rangers roster?

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01-23-2009, 03:35 PM
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Since speculation is going around that Kaberle, Kubina, and Antropov should be able to garner a 1st round pick you would need to start there. Nagy went for a 1st and 3rd at last years deadline. I would say that they are compareable and some would debate that Antropov is better. Kaberle is going to go for a 1st, top prospect, and young NHLer.

I would be willing to make a deal around both Kaberle and Antropov to Vancouver.

How about:

Kaberle, Antropov

for

Raymond, Hodgsson, 1st '09, 3rd in '09, 2nd '10


Kaberle = Hodgsson, 1st '09, 2nd '10
Antropov= Raymond, 3rd '09
wow, why didnt you just ask for bobby lou while youre at it

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01-23-2009, 05:48 PM
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I'd like to see the Rangers consider Antropov. I think he could work well with Gomez, we need a forward with some size on the wing. As much as I like Voros, we need one much more consistant than that and one that can score goals.

Any ideas on what the Leafs would want off the Rangers roster?
Korpikoski + 1st
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Dawes + Anisimov/Grachev
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Callahan + Del Zotto

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How about:

Kaberle, Antropov

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Raymond, Hodgsson, 1st '09, 3rd in '09, 2nd '10


Kaberle = Hodgsson, 1st '09, 2nd '10
Antropov= Raymond, 3rd '09
Can't see the Canucks moving Hodgson. Top 10 picks are very rarely moved less than a year after they were drafted.

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I think Hagman might get traded, because I think his value is high.

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I think Hagman might get traded, because I think his value is high.
NTC this season.

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LOLLLL. Moore being able to secure second line minutes on the Leafs team tells you just how much the Leafs SUCKKK! Moore is a marginal 4th line player, yyet in TO, he is playing in all situations, wears the "A", and is sometimes even relied on as the go-to guy.

BRUTAL!
I wouldn't jump the gun there too much. Your Nucks are looking worse by the game. Enjoying Mats and the winning attitude he brings. LOL

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NTC this season.
I'd rather keep him and not make him move it anyways...I like Hagman, tough gritty forward and is my type of player

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Probably a 1st rounder straight up.

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I'll throw out some ideas on some of the players mentioned for the Kings. if they are buyers maybe something can be worked out.

To La: Tomas Kaberle
To Tor: Thomas Hickey or 2009 1st round pick, Ted Purcell, Tom Priessing.

Kaberle is one of the top offensive defenseman in the league. Hickey - Schenn would be a great pairing for the future, there play styles really complement each other well.. or Toronto could take the first in the 7-17 range and use it as a key asset to maybe move up a spot or two and draft Tavares. Purcell is still a good looking prospect who as produced good numbers at every level when given the ice time. Priessing is signed to a decent contract for two more seasons and would help the leafs powerplay.

To La: Vesa Toskala
To Tor: Jeff Zatkoff, Calgary 2009 2nd round pick

I can see Dean Lombardi going after Toskala if he is not completely convinced that Quick or Ersberg is ready to carry a team in the playoffs. Lombari is always talking about how he developed Nabakov, Kipprusoff & Toskala in San Jose and he would probably be more comfortable with Toskala. Zatkoff is a good looking goalie prospect who may be every bit as good as Bernier & Quick. the 2nd round pick is a 2nd round pick & we know what Brian Burke will probably do with that at the draft.

To La: Nik Antropov
To Tor: Brian Boyle, Alec Martinez

Antropov would help La's scoring lines. Boyle is simular to Antropov but has the potential to develop more of a mean streak. Martinez is a good looking young defenseman but is buried on the depth chart.


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To LA: Kaberle, Toskala, Antropov
To Tor: Hickey/09 1st, Purcell, Boyle, Priessing, Martinez, Zatkoff, Cal 2nd

just for the hell of it if all that happened

Frolov - Kopitar - Antropov
Moller - Stoll - Brown
O'Sullivan - Handzus - Simmonds
Ivanans - Armstrong - Calder

Zeiler

Kaberle - Greene
O'Donnell - Doughty
Johnson - Quincey

Gauthier, Harrold (D/W)

Toskala
Ersberg

Quick down to Manchester until next year.

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01-24-2009, 02:13 AM
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Considering there are so many Leafs trade proposals on the boards, I thought it would be fun to list each guy you think will be traded and what Burke gets for them.
So basically, more of the same **** that's been cluttering this forum for 2 months.

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Antropov & Kaberle to Van

Sedin twins + salary dump to Toronto

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01-24-2009, 07:06 AM
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Well, since the question is not about value per se and rather about what we think Burke will end up getting if in fact they are traded, here are my thoughts which will obviously command significant flaming as per value because it is unheard of for teams to overpay at the deadline or at the draft and it is not like prospects and picks are vastly overrated here:

Kaberle - will command an A level prospect (one of any team's top two) and a B/B+ young roster player, and a non-first from a later year (i.e. Hodgson + Grabner; JVR + Parent; Hanzal + McLean + 2nd 2009; Pacioretty + Subban + 2nd 2009; Backlund + Boyd)

Kubina - later 1st rounder (20-25) + B/B+ level prospect (i.e. Carolina 1st + Sutter, Minnesota 1st + Gillies, Washington 1st + Gustafsson)

Antropov - similar to Kubina although perhaps later 1st or two B level prospect/young roster players or a B+ prospect + salary dump (i.e Lashoff + Sturm; Goligoski + Pesonen or 2nd or Caputi)

Ponikarovsky - likely a LATE 1st (like last in round) or 2nd or a project prospect that hasn't really worked out so far in his surroundings (I don't think he will be traded so I'm not putting much thought into this one)

Toskala - 2nd rounder + project prospect (again, I don't see him going anywhere despite the fact that Burke has said he has been offered as much)

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01-24-2009, 08:42 AM
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Well, since the question is not about value per se and rather about what we think Burke will end up getting if in fact they are traded, here are my thoughts which will obviously command significant flaming as per value because it is unheard of for teams to overpay at the deadline or at the draft and it is not like prospects and picks are vastly overrated here:

I have no problem with that. If you are a seller, it's not only your job to get as much as possible, but to exploit your fellow GMs weaknesses and rip them off. If you think another guy's job is on the line...exploit it. If you think a guy believes your guy is the missing piece...hold it over his head. It's Burke's job to maximize his return.

We call it overpayment.

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I'll throw out some ideas on some of the players mentioned for the Kings. if they are buyers maybe something can be worked out.

To La: Tomas Kaberle
To Tor: Thomas Hickey or 2009 1st round pick, Ted Purcell, Tom Priessing.

Kaberle is one of the top offensive defenseman in the league. Hickey - Schenn would be a great pairing for the future, there play styles really complement each other well.. or Toronto could take the first in the 7-17 range and use it as a key asset to maybe move up a spot or two and draft Tavares. Purcell is still a good looking prospect who as produced good numbers at every level when given the ice time. Priessing is signed to a decent contract for two more seasons and would help the leafs powerplay.

To La: Vesa Toskala
To Tor: Jeff Zatkoff, Calgary 2009 2nd round pick

I can see Dean Lombardi going after Toskala if he is not completely convinced that Quick or Ersberg is ready to carry a team in the playoffs. Lombari is always talking about how he developed Nabakov, Kipprusoff & Toskala in San Jose and he would probably be more comfortable with Toskala. Zatkoff is a good looking goalie prospect who may be every bit as good as Bernier & Quick. the 2nd round pick is a 2nd round pick & we know what Brian Burke will probably do with that at the draft.

To La: Nik Antropov
To Tor: Brian Boyle, Alec Martinez

Antropov would help La's scoring lines. Boyle is simular to Antropov but has the potential to develop more of a mean streak. Martinez is a good looking young defenseman but is buried on the depth chart.


or

To LA: Kaberle, Toskala, Antropov
To Tor: Hickey/09 1st, Purcell, Boyle, Priessing, Martinez, Zatkoff, Cal 2nd

just for the hell of it if all that happened

Frolov - Kopitar - Antropov
Moller - Stoll - Brown
O'Sullivan - Handzus - Simmonds
Ivanans - Armstrong - Calder

Zeiler

Kaberle - Greene
O'Donnell - Doughty
Johnson - Quincey

Gauthier, Harrold (D/W)

Toskala
Ersberg

Quick down to Manchester until next year.
I'd be happy with all of those deals from the leafs POV.

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LOLLLL. Moore being able to secure second line minutes on the Leafs team tells you just how much the Leafs SUCKKK! Moore is a marginal 4th line player, yyet in TO, he is playing in all situations, wears the "A", and is sometimes even relied on as the go-to guy.

BRUTAL!

I hope every GM in the league feels the same way you do because I would be more than happy if Moore stayed right where he is. Moore may not be top in scoring but he is a great character player that gives it his all game in and game out and would be my first choice for Captain. So please feel free to share your thoughts on Moore to everyone as most of us in Toronto know exactly how valuable Moore is to this team!

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Kaberle for Grabner, Pyatt, 1st

Grabner is a top prospect, 1 1st likely to be in the top 20, and a salary dump.
What a joke. I'd give you Kubina for that.

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I'd be happy with all of those deals from the leafs POV.
I would not be happy with any of those deal involving Kaberle.

A 1st rounder or Hickey? How bout a first rounder and Hickey.

You can keep Priessing, have absolutely no interest in him, not even as a salary dump. The Kings could deal him elsewhere. You can also keep Purcell. A great AHL player but an average NHLer.

A deal revolving around Hickey and a 1st is fine but the Kings would have to throw something else in. I could see interest in Boyle.

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Well, since the question is not about value per se and rather about what we think Burke will end up getting if in fact they are traded, here are my thoughts which will obviously command significant flaming as per value because it is unheard of for teams to overpay at the deadline or at the draft and it is not like prospects and picks are vastly overrated here:

Kaberle - will command an A level prospect (one of any team's top two) and a B/B+ young roster player, and a non-first from a later year (i.e. Hodgson + Grabner; JVR + Parent; Hanzal + McLean + 2nd 2009; Pacioretty + Subban + 2nd 2009; Backlund + Boyd)

Kubina - later 1st rounder (20-25) + B/B+ level prospect (i.e. Carolina 1st + Sutter, Minnesota 1st + Gillies, Washington 1st + Gustafsson)

Antropov - similar to Kubina although perhaps later 1st or two B level prospect/young roster players or a B+ prospect + salary dump (i.e Lashoff + Sturm; Goligoski + Pesonen or 2nd or Caputi)

Ponikarovsky - likely a LATE 1st (like last in round) or 2nd or a project prospect that hasn't really worked out so far in his surroundings (I don't think he will be traded so I'm not putting much thought into this one)

Toskala - 2nd rounder + project prospect (again, I don't see him going anywhere despite the fact that Burke has said he has been offered as much)
Wow.....I wish the other GM's thought like you did. Burke woud have a great deadline day.

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Korpikoski + 1st
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Dawes + Anisimov/Grachev
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Callahan + Del Zotto
I would take any of those deals.

Would love to add a Callahan, Grachev or Anisimov but unfortuantely Sather could care less about what I want.

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I would not be happy with any of those deal involving Kaberle.

A 1st rounder or Hickey? How bout a first rounder and Hickey.

You can keep Priessing, have absolutely no interest in him, not even as a salary dump. The Kings could deal him elsewhere. You can also keep Purcell. A great AHL player but an average NHLer.

A deal revolving around Hickey and a 1st is fine but the Kings would have to throw something else in. I could see interest in Boyle.
I don't agree. Purcell is a very good prospect with some real size, and Seidenberg fills a spot on the blueline. Hickey was a #4 pick, albeit an unexpected one. I'd take either him or the pick, no big deal either way. This is a fair deal in my mind.

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Antropov & Kaberle to Van

Sedin twins + salary dump to Toronto
New contender for worst proposal ever

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