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01-27-2009, 08:27 AM
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I'm still waiting to be told who in the top six or top nine would get bumped off to make way for "more grit".

I think it should be obvious that tweaking the fourth line is not going to take this or any team over the top...

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01-27-2009, 10:12 AM
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For me, it would be 2 defensmen. If we want to win this year we have to stack that D. First of all, I would try to get Schneider from the Trashers to be our PP specialist and Stanley Cup experience we need. He wouldnt be costly, probably a pick, (however i dont know much about his contract) and be perfect as a 5th D with Gorges. Then we go after a real top 4 whoever he may be. That lack of grit, lack of toughness and sandpaper talk is non-sense. WE we're as physical than Boston and Philly wasnt better than us at all, Philly took advantage of weak goaltending and our lack of depth.

Im a strong believer in great defense is key to any great team. Forget about Vinny and a goal scorer, we have more than enough talent this year to take care of scoring. What we need is a better defense that will play better in their zone, that will be able to give the puck to our skilled forwards and also take good decisions with the puck under heavy pressure. It will instantly make us contenders.
That would mean that Bouillon and Brisebois would get bumped off and be quality spares. Thats the perfect scenario for me.

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01-27-2009, 11:55 AM
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First of all, I would try to get Schneider from the Trashers to be our PP specialist and Stanley Cup experience we need. He wouldnt be costly, probably a pick, (however i dont know much about his contract) and be perfect as a 5th D with Gorges.
He's making way too much money, especially for a 5th D, and has not been good at all this year. If the Habs get Schneider they won't have the space to do more moves.

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01-27-2009, 12:08 PM
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Adversity or lacking killer instinct? A series that shouldn't even gotten that far. Great a few games here and there don't change the norm. You are talking about a team that barely gets out of the first round yearly.

What top six forwards do you find will continually sacrifice themselves for the win? How many of the top six forwards don't disappear most of the time when hit or face tough checking?

The sad thing is Max Lapierre could probably meet Pleks production on the top line. The question is who would you consider bumping? Pleks production is easily replaceable. The other question is are you replacing Plekanec as top 2 line center or as a shut down third line center. I would say Koivu, Lang and Lapierre are all above Pleks.
Remember Datsyuk pre-2008

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01-27-2009, 12:22 PM
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He's making way too much money, especially for a 5th D, and has not been good at all this year. If the Habs get Schneider they won't have the space to do more moves.
Damn...Hopefully we land a top 4. NO VINNY

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01-27-2009, 12:23 PM
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Johan Franzen was one of detroit's best players in the playoffs.

The Pens had their fair share of tough players to play against as well. Orpik, Talbot, Malkin, Crosby etc...

To me, toughness is about how difficult it is to knock a guy off the puck and how many battles they win against the boards.
only against Colorado actually. After the 2nd round he was pretty much invisible.

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01-27-2009, 12:29 PM
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only against Colorado actually. After the 2nd round he was pretty much invisible.
Yeah, people tend to make a big hoopla over his stats in the playoffs last year. But he was only demolishing Theodore and no other goalie. And we ALL know how good Theodore can choke comes playoff time.

4 games against Colorado, he was 9 goals and 1 assist.

In the remaining 12 playoff games he played, he was 4 goals and 4 assists (which isn't bad, but not anything spectacular or dominant).

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01-27-2009, 12:51 PM
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Other than Philly, I think our forwards can compete physically with any other Eastern team. On defense, if O'Byrne can play physically and consistantly and confidently (?), that's would go a long way to help the team play the more physical teams.

If more grit is really needed up front, Burrows would be nice but how about Erik Cole from Edmonton. He's always played great against Montreal, is not having a great year in Edmonton, is a UFA at the end of the year - he's a power forward that may not cost that much.

If O'Byrne doesn't work out, a solid #4 is needed.

Cheap options :
Andy Sutton 23 2 8 10
Lukas Krajicek 41 1 7 8
Mike Van Ryn 17 3 6 9

Better options :
Filip Kuba 36 1 24 25
Anton Volchenkov 31 2 1 3
Eric Brewer 28 1 5 6

Best options :
Tomas Kaberle 47 4 25 29
Pavel Kubina 47 8 14 22
Dan Hamhuis 46 2 10 12
Stephane Robidas 42 2 17 19
Jack Johnson 5 1 0 1
Barret Jackman 46 2 12 14

The ultimate : Jay Bouwmeester 46 10 16 26

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01-27-2009, 01:59 PM
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It's obvious to most that Defence is the upgrade needed, Bob sees this too. I have faith that it will be addressed.

I see the o'byrne callup as proof of that. Brisebois is not going to be a regular going into the playoffs. That is not the plan that Bob had at the beginning of the year and patrice has done little to change that. Ryan played really good in Hamilton so he gets a second chance to make the team. If He provides what is needed then bob can go out and tweak the team at the deadline and we go forth into the playoffs.

But If Ryan blows it, Bob will definately need to go after a top 4 guy.

Adding Vinny really changes the teams identity and structure to the point that it is an entirely different team. Especially when we lose defence in the deal. Who is the captain after vinny gets here?

Does the french media ruin the team after the deal clammouring for koivu to give his C to Vinny? or for Bob to not resign saku?

The more i think of what would happen after Vinny arrives scares me. The biggest thing that scares me though is what would we have to give them for Vinny. Would we be in a position to fill in the remaining roster with Cup winning potential players?

To go after Vinny, i would be willing to part with this only, as I don't believe he(including his contract etc.) are worth more from us.

Pleks- He will fit in well there as he is a young solid 2way center with the potential to be a top Center.(he has already done this in his career but is not having his best year currently)

D'agostini - A good young scorer that has shown he belongs in the NHL as a top 6 scoring winger.

One of these D prospects - Fisher, Mc Donough, Emelin, Valentenko, or any other D prospect not playing in Hamilton except Subban.

and one of Glumac, Trotter, Desharnais O. Latendresse, Perezhogin

And a 2010 1st rounder.

4 players and a 1st rounder.


Pleks gets replaced by Vinny

Tangs takes D'agostini's spot upon return from injury.

but we take on too much salary so other deal's would have to be made to shed some salary. Not sure how this works in the end, not sure if Tampa agrees to the deal.

Higgins is not going, and Gorges is not going. They are needed here and are not available.

Bob has a tough job ahead that's for sure.

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01-27-2009, 02:32 PM
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J-Bo. Could be our next Larry Robinson. But we surely need more sandpaper. More McPhees, Skrudlands and Lemieuxs for sure. One guy that I would try to pry from Ottawa is...Chris Neil. The guy could be had and could provide solid sandpaper.
Neil and Jbo and I'm a happy camper.

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01-27-2009, 05:00 PM
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I'm still waiting to be told who in the top six or top nine would get bumped off to make way for "more grit".

I think it should be obvious that tweaking the fourth line is not going to take this or any team over the top...
Someone actually mentioned Plekanec already, and I agree. Higgins, too. Ultimately the addition of a top-six forwards will probably mean the subtraction of someone from the top-nine anyway.

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01-27-2009, 05:53 PM
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vinne

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if not these, who else is a stud , that is on the market?

bob your phone is ringing!!!!!!!

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01-27-2009, 08:28 PM
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I think the first thing Gainey "needs to address" is buying some jolt cola so he can wake the frick up. The guy seems distant from the team and is completely unaware of the problems. Barely heard much out of him for the last two years honestly.

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01-27-2009, 09:05 PM
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Someone actually mentioned Plekanec already, and I agree. Higgins, too. Ultimately the addition of a top-six forwards will probably mean the subtraction of someone from the top-nine anyway.
If you subtract Plekanec then your "gritty scorer" has to be able to center a scoring line. This is not trivial to find at all. Most "grit" you will find is on the wings.

As to why you'd bump Higgins I'm not sure. He might be the most "expendable" roster player, but he strikes me as pretty much the kind of player people are clamoring to add really, if he can find his scoring touch back.

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01-27-2009, 09:07 PM
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I think the first thing Gainey "needs to address" is buying some jolt cola so he can wake the frick up. The guy seems distant from the team and is completely unaware of the problems. Barely heard much out of him for the last two years honestly.
So, if i understand correctly, you assume Gainey is sleeping or not doing his job because he doesn't reveal to the world what he is thinking or working on? Give me a break...

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our most obvious need is a GM

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A guy that will brought some ******ng grit and thoughness on our top 6 forward.

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I think the first thing Gainey "needs to address" is buying some jolt cola so he can wake the frick up. The guy seems distant from the team and is completely unaware of the problems. Barely heard much out of him for the last two years honestly.
Other than adding Lang, Tanguay, Hamrlik and Kostopoulos, you mean? Gainey has done quite a lot towards making the Habs a contender. We don't have a dominant team, but we're a heck of a lot closer than we were two years ago.

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01-27-2009, 09:43 PM
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Other than adding Lang, Tanguay, Hamrlik and Kostopoulos, you mean? Gainey has done quite a lot towards making the Habs a contender. We don't have a dominant team, but we're a heck of a lot closer than we were two years ago.
Last two years. Aside from adding another redundant part in Tanguay, what has he done to address the teams needs. I will grant Hamrlik as its a need. TEAM NEEDS.

Lang i like and has played very well but again, is he what actually is needed and solving what the problem is with the team.

Team needs. Top six forwards with grit and can score. A real sniper not more playmakers. A top 4 PPQB. Those have been the problems and always have been.


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Other than adding Lang, Tanguay, Hamrlik and Kostopoulos, you mean? Gainey has done quite a lot towards making the Habs a contender. We don't have a dominant team, but we're a heck of a lot closer than we were two years ago.
Lets not forget Brisebois.

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If you subtract Plekanec then your "gritty scorer" has to be able to center a scoring line. This is not trivial to find at all. Most "grit" you will find is on the wings.

As to why you'd bump Higgins I'm not sure. He might be the most "expendable" roster player, but he strikes me as pretty much the kind of player people are clamoring to add really, if he can find his scoring touch back.
Fine, let me add to the list. We're talking about one forward here, btw. Tanguay, too, is replaceable. And young guys like Pacioretty are hardly, at this stage, to be considered top-six forwards. Higgins doesn't drive the net far as I can tell, he's got good speed and backchecks, but he's not exactly thriving when the going gets rough.

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It's clear, Habs need a consistent point producer

It's been argued a lot, especially over the past few years, but bringing in a superstar is what the habs truly need.

Someone who will bring up the level of play of the whole team, someone you can count on to PRODUCE CONSISTENTLY, and at impotant times and situations in a game.

Someone who does not hide when the going gets tough, or have a list of excuses as to why they lost.

Look around the real contenders in the league, and you will see they have at least one superstar forward, or a great goal scorer on the team.

Washington- Ovechkin (31 goals in 47 games) and Semin (18 in 31 games)

Bruins- Savard (57 pts in 48 games) and Kessel (24 goals in 42 games)

Flyers: Carter (30 goals in 47 games), Gagne (20 in 44 games)

Devils: Parise (28 goals in 48 games), Elias (21 goals in 48 games)

Even the lower teams have some consistent producers, like Buffalo with Vanek's 29 goals and Roy's 47 pts, heck even the Panthers have a guy on pace for 40 goals (David Booth). We're one of the only teams in the east, except for the Isles, Leafs and Rangers with no consistent point producer or star. It's real depressing. Our best forward is on pace for 60 pts! 60! That's 38 year old Robert Lang, who is having a "TERRIFIC" season according to most here.

Even Mike Ribeiro had higher totals for us 5 years ago with 65 and we were complaining how bad we were offensively.

This team needs a Kovalchuk or a Lecavalier, if it EVER wants to be more then a pretender.

There I got this off my chest.

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01-28-2009, 04:26 AM
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Anyone see O'Byrne play? I missed the game, I figured we'd loose so I took a nap. How was he?

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Did fine, played safe like it was expected, no big mistakes or anything, O'B' was one of our good D men actually.

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